Ghost GLO
 

Awhile back I brought up the fact of ghost or underground Greek organizations. Basically a chapter loses the charter and continues to operate, or worse they merge with other groups and become an underground local.
I was ridiculed and was bluntly called a liar that these do not exist. I just wanted to prove that at my school they do exist and are quite the problem. My original question was- what do you do about it? What does your school do about it?

http://www.sru.edu/pages/11640.asp

See for yourself.

How is this being a baby? You asked for proof, I gave you proof. Some of you people are just so mean, you really give greek life a bad name. No wonder there are so many stereotypes.

Re: Ghost GLO
 

If you know of a group operating in secret-- that is, they have lost recognition by the university and have had their national charter revoked, please contact the campus Greek Adviser (or if there is no Greek Adviser, contact the office of the Dean of Student Activities). Please also contact the HQ of that national group-- you may find their contact information on the web.

ETA: Per the link you provided, the university is aware of this and has made an official statement, discouraging students from joining.

If these unrecognized locals cause you personal harm, I advise you to take it up with the appropriate student disciplinary council. That aside, encourage your fellow students to participate in activities that are recognized by the university.

Have these organizations caused you personal harm or discomfort? I believe your school has addressed the situation, and there is no more cause for question.

They are fully aware of it, hence the post they put on the schools homepage. They just have not been able to resolve the issue. Lambda Chi Gentlemans Club has been operating since 1994 or so. That is just one example. The wanna bee ASA group has been going strong underground for almost 9 years. It upsets me, I dont know why it does, but it does. I don't think it is right. Especially when real greeks associate with them as far as mixers and stuff.

Yes you did.

Do you want a cookie?

If you would have come on and posted this before, no one would have said anything - but instead, you posted rumors and unfounded accusations (things like "I don't know whether they are really gone from campus" etc). When part of your information is questionable or wrong, people aren't going to be inclined to believe anything else you say.

The school has acknowledged it. They've done all they can do. The HQs have all been notified. What more do you want? Human sacrifice?

I have notified ASA HQ and sent them the link, however as said before, they've probably been notified by the univeristy.

Ditto what she said. You're not gonna get any cookies from us.

You came on here with nothing but rumors and wouldn't give any details. You were questioned about what you were saying and you didn't really give clear answers. You were rude and nasty in your replies to any questions.

WTF do you want? The school and the GLOs know what's going on.

For those interested in this particular poster's history, you may want to review these threads:
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...threadid=57263
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...threadid=65871
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...threadid=59387

No human sacrifice but a chocolate chip cookie would be nice....

I believe this site has been recently added because there are more underground fraternites now than recognized ones and that is a shame.

No, she prefers sour grapes.

WHAT???

A 2.5 second look at SRU's website shows 7 recognized fraternities and 9 recognized sororities. (total = 16)

The link you posted shows 1 unrecognized sorority and 3 unrecognized fraternities. (total = 4)

See, this is the kind of crap that I'm talking about.

But aren't you bothered that someone or some group who is not affiliated has your ritual, is wearing your letters that you earned, and is passing themselves off as someone they are not?

I'll probably get grilled for this, but if the university knows they're there and IF (that's a big IF) the national groups would like to re-esatablish a chapter, why would the university not try to allow the recolonization the chapters. The university could reign them in at that point, institute the appropriate rules and the national orgs could enforce (sp) their policies.

I mean if they are already recruiting, then why not just make it official and save all the heartache. Then again I sometimes live in a dream world and this could be completely impossible! :D

Of course she'd be bothered, but short of driving up there and beating them up (ROADTRIP! Sheila let's do it!) she can't do a thing about it. The HQ and school know about it. Are we supposed to set up snipers to take them out any time they get together?

WHAT DO YOU WANT?

WHY DO YOU CARE?

I am not couting the nationally "black" groups since here they seem to be their own separate entity. They function in a different way.
There are 4 IFC fraternities:
Theta Xi
Alpha Sigma Phi
Phi Kappa Pi
Pi Kappa Alpha

The groups who act as undergrounds call themselves:
Lambda Chi
KDR
Phi Kappa Theta
Crows
Phi Delta Omega

So that makes 5 underground, 4 recognized IFC.

I don't know that they'd want to recolonize. There's a reason they closed the chapter in the first place. I know KD's chapter there closed in like 1998 or 1999 for hazing, and I had HS friends who were in groups there. There's a tradition of hazing there, and a tradition of partying. Having both together does not make for a very good chapter!

Re: Ghost GLO
 

Backhandedly, the school's statement is an endorsement of GLOs - at least the affiliated ones. I'd put the best parts of the statement in the rush brochure, and on a banner in front of the house.

I'd consider the unaffiliated groups just like another campus club - maybe you would have a mixer with the Lettermen's Club or the Freshman honor society, or with an unaffiliated GLO. No harm done.

True. Like I said.....IF. Perhaps the Panhellenic and IFC just need to work harder in promoting the recognized groups for membership versus. An article/announcement like this sparks curiosity pointing people in the direction of the unrecognized versus scaring them away. I think the University is CYAing themselves by acknowledging to their student DO NOT JOIN in hopes if something really bad happens. If they try to ignore it, at least outwardly, and concentrate on the other recognized groups their positive efforts would show after some time.

Amalia17
 

Clean out your PM box.

Well, here's the way I look at it. Flame me if you want.

Am I upset that they're calling themselves ASA when they're not registered with our HQ? Yes. Am I upset that they're calling themselves ASA and not having to pay national dues? HELL yes.

But there has to be something deeper than partying that has kept this group together for all these years (since 1997) and through all they went through when they lost their chapter. So even if they don't have an official ASA sisterhood, they still have A sisterhood.

I have no idea if they are still using official ASA ritual. My bet is no. And there are LOTS of people in all our GLOs that wear letters that we wish didn't.



Oh, and according to THE LINK YOU POSTED KDR & Phi Kap joined together to make Phi Delta Omega.

If they are they much have one hell of a memory, because we had to send all of our stuff back to national when we were closed and they came and checked for it.

I second this exclamation.

The school is taking action, the HQ has been notified. Are you trying to rally up troops to take down the big, bad underground chapters??? On a message board?

Sometimes I wonder if people just like to "break" stories like this to see their name at the top of the thread and make a mountain out of a molehill.

**Granted "illegal" chapters suck, but if TPTB have been notified... then no need to carry on like this.

Maybe she's just jealous that she couldn't even make it into the Ghost chapter.

Even my wanna-be sisters have more sense then that.

While it may or may not upset legitimate members that there are groups posing as national groups, we leave it up to our HQ's to handle these situations. We have a chain of command for this sort of thing.

Also, as mentioned, these groups are now acting as unrecognized locals. Some have changed names. More than likely, they are not using rituals in their original form as proscribed by the national group. As 33 said, there is A Sisterhood/Brotherhood there.

I don't understand why this issue bothers you so much... maybe you need to talk about it with someone? It seems like an unhealthy attachment. The situation is being dealt with by the university.

Have you rushed with unsatisfactory efforts? If this is the case, I do recommend that you get involved with other campus activities and let the university and HQ's deal with this, if it is a legit situation and stop worrying about something that really doesn't effect you personally.

Unless of course, someone in one of these groups has caused you personal harm or discomfort. Then you should report it to your university and recover through friends, family and counseling. Good luck. As this topic has been beat to death, could you please stop posting new questions about it? We've all come to a consensus that renegade groups, if identified, should be reported to HQ and University officials, who have the power and ability to make change from there. Good luck to you!

And yes, for the record, she did rush with unsuccessful results. Look at her past posts. THough she deleted a lot of them, a lot of people in those threads quoted her posts

Not to fuel the fire but...

I worked with one of our Long Island chapters in the late 1990s. There was an underground group which had been an NPC group that closed in the 70s and they were using the name of ABC (a NPC group). I contacted their HQ and they said they had heard the same thing and this group was using the SAME letters! They issued cease and desist letters to no avail. They decided to meet with the group and turns out they colonized there and took the group back into their sisterhood for a colony program. Turns out they did still have a copy of the ritual and it was a very watered down version. I moved away from Long Island in 2002 but a look at my NPC chapter and campus listing shows that group is no longer there. I suspect they were never chartered and ABC retrieved what they needed from the group for good.

Can I have a cookie just for sharing? ;)

We need to get them to add an Obsessed With My School's Greek System And All Its Issues link.

Does anyone else always think of that book Mrs. Frisbee & the Rats of Nimh when they see the acronym NIMH?

YES!!! I think my mom still has the movie version of that on VHS tape at her house.

You know what? That MUST be it! Please. Give me a break. That is not the reason. If any of you paid any attention to the first time I questioned this (and was accused of making the whole thing up) is because my younger sister who is in college pledged a ghost group not knowing it was a ghost group because they said they were nationally recognized and they were not. Once she realized what had happened she dropped out of their pretend sorority. That is why I am bothered by it, I have personal experience with it.

How do we know you hve a sister?? We need proof! Send us a link showing us that you have a sister. I think your sister is pretend.

I think she is too, as this is the first I've EVER seen her post about it.

Maybe she is asking because she wants to join one, and wants to know if she can get into any trouble.

Amalia,

I sincerely hope your sister learned from her experience, and was able to move on and hopefully join a sorority with a national affiliation, and not a fraud. Yes, there are disgraced local groups running around on many campuses pretending to still be affiliated with their national orgs. Personally, I could give a damn what they do, even if they are pretending to be my brother. However, PNM's and rushees need to do their homework carefully and figure out which houses and legit, and which are a sham. I recommend going trough formal, school sponsored rush, instead of venturing out on your own.

On a personal note, you seem awfully bothered by what a bunch of complete strangers posting on this board think of you... are the posters here really your friends? Do you really care how they feel? I would highly recommend you search elsewhere for personal validation... GC ain't the place for that.

Peace,

M.

AMEN, that says it ALL!

Hi, that doesn't make sense. Are you saying that someone who was in college wasn't capable of figuring out that an organization was a "ghost group" as you call it?

This does sort of remind me of someone else who posted about her little sister's pretend rush experience. You know, you could always encourage her to get involved with Dance Marathon if the whole Greek thing didn't work out for her.

Good laughs on the thread after a long day at work. :)

Amalia, you really need to let this whole "ghost" thing go and accept the fact that some people are going to do things that you don't like. You just have to accept it and move on to other things (like maybe a real life?)