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hoosier 09-27-2005 03:30 PM

HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Each time I open HUMAN EVENTS, I am thankful for a news source that brings me the straight facts and keeps me one-up and a step ahead. From recent issues:

FACT: During a study on the competency of teachers, half the teachers failed a qualifying verbal and math test

FACT: The recently approved Highway Bill includes $255 million for bike paths

FACT: The top 50% of income earners pay 96.5% of the federal income taxes, while the lowest 44% pay no federal income taxes.

FACT: The federal government -- with your tax dollars -- subsidizes programs for kids to play golf at posh resorts

FACT: Federal employees spent $16.4 billion in 2003 on government charge cards. Some of those charges included: country club fees, personal clothing, movie gift certificates and beer

FACT: A recent national survey found that Democratic professors outnumber Republican professors 3 to 1 in economics, 28 to 1 in sociology, and 30 to 1 in anthropology

FACT: At least 1,074,000 illegal aliens were arrested along the Mexican border in 2004, more than in 2003 or 2002

FACT: The federal government is subsidizing yoga research

sugar and spice 09-27-2005 03:38 PM

I'm glad I'm not as bitter as you.

Lindz928 09-27-2005 03:40 PM

I'm not trying to disagree with any of your facts... I honestly have no idea about any of them.

I just thought I would give the opinion that there is no such thing as straight facts. They are almost always twisted in some way, and are sometimes completely made up.

Yours could be true, I don't know. But I would take every piece of information given to me with a grain of salt.

85% of statistics are made up on the spot.

valkyrie 09-27-2005 04:04 PM

Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
FACT: A recent national survey found that Democratic professors outnumber Republican professors 3 to 1 in economics, 28 to 1 in sociology, and 30 to 1 in anthropology

If I were an angry Republican, I'd be upset that smart people tend to be Democrats.

Haha, kidding, but hopefully illustrative of the fact that you can use "statistics" to make whatever point you want.

DeltAlum 09-27-2005 04:06 PM

Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
From recent issues:

FACT: During a study on the competency of teachers, half the teachers failed a qualifying verbal and math test


RESPONSE: Probably because they had to memorize answers for standardized tests.

FACT: The recently approved Highway Bill includes $255 million for bike paths

RESPONSE: Which should fit in well with the President's request that we limit our driving.

FACT: The top 50% of income earners pay 96.5% of the federal income taxes, while the lowest 44% pay no federal income taxes.

RESPONSE: No wonder the country is borrowing so much -- the President keeps giving the top income people tax cuts.

FACT: The federal government -- with your tax dollars -- subsidizes programs for kids to play golf at posh resorts

RESPONSE: Don't look at me. I live in a golf course community, but none of our family has ever played a round.

FACT: Federal employees spent $16.4 billion in 2003 on government charge cards. Some of those charges included: country club fees, personal clothing, movie gift certificates and beer

RESPONSE: Yeah, those Bush boys really know how to dress and drink.

FACT: A recent national survey found that Democratic professors outnumber Republican professors 3 to 1 in economics, 28 to 1 in sociology, and 30 to 1 in anthropology

RESPONSE: That's why I majored in broadcasting where they had to teach "the Fairness Doctrine" and equal opportunity. Of course those were dropped under the Powell regime at the FCC.

FACT: At least 1,074,000 illegal aliens were arrested along the Mexican border in 2004, more than in 2003 or 2002

RESPONSE: And California still can't find enough farm workers, so Congress wants to make it legal for them to work here.

FACT: The federal government is subsidizing yoga research
RESPONSE: That's a stretch. (get it?)

WCUgirl 09-27-2005 04:32 PM

Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Okay, I'll just comment on two things:

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
FACT: During a study on the competency of teachers, half the teachers failed a qualifying verbal and math test


Let's be honest. I really don't care if my (future) kids' music and history teachers can't tell me what 13 squared is. Those teachers are NOT teaching them math, so what does it matter?

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
FACT: The recently approved Highway Bill includes $255 million for bike paths
Good! I'm quite sick of hearing about bike-riders (and pedestrians) being struck and/or killed by cars.

And now, a random picture for another random thread from hoosier.


http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/wormie/72416_reggie.jpg

sugar and spice 09-27-2005 04:54 PM

Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AXiD670

Let's be honest. I really don't care if my (future) kids' music and history teachers can't tell me what 13 squared is. Those teachers are NOT teaching them math, so what does it matter?


I was going to say that too, but then I realized that commenting on anything hoosier posts is relatively pointless.

I think that more than half the adult population, if given those tests, would fail too. As long as the teachers know the subject they're teaching, who cares?

And I love how the people complaining about how teachers aren't qualified are generally the same people who want to cut educational funding.

Aaaaand I am so sick of people whining about how we don't have enough Republican professors. This isn't because Republicans aren't getting hired -- it's because Republicans don't want to be professors. I'll bet that there is an overabundance of conservatives in the military or an overabundance of liberals who work in public health care, and guess what? Nobody cares. If you can give me a statistic that says 50 percent of the qualified people applying for anthrology professor jobs are Republicans but only three percent of those hired are, then you have a right to get all up in arms about it.

</soapbox>

Rudey 09-27-2005 04:56 PM

Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I was going to say that too, but then I realized that commenting on anything hoosier posts is relatively pointless.

I think that more than half the adult population, if given those tests, would fail too. As long as the teachers know the subject they're teaching, who cares?

And I love how the people complaining about how teachers aren't qualified are generally the same people who want to cut educational funding.

Aaaaand I am so sick of people whining about how we don't have enough Republican professors. This isn't because Republicans aren't getting hired -- it's because Republicans don't want to be professors. I'll bet that there is an overabundance of conservatives in the military or an overabundance of liberals who work in public health care, and guess what? Nobody cares. If you can give me a statistic that says 50 percent of the qualified people applying for anthrology professor jobs are Republicans but only three percent of those hired are, then you have a right to get all up in arms about it.

</soapbox>

It seems that you stood on the "I'm going to post something wrong" soapbox, because you're really wrong in that post.

-Rudey

Rudey 09-27-2005 04:57 PM

Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AXiD670
Okay, I'll just comment on two things:

Let's be honest. I really don't care if my (future) kids' music and history teachers can't tell me what 13 squared is. Those teachers are NOT teaching them math, so what does it matter?

Good! I'm quite sick of hearing about bike-riders (and pedestrians) being struck and/or killed by cars.

And now, a random picture for another random thread from hoosier.


http://ww2.imagewiz.net/images/wormie/72416_reggie.jpg

That's a shame for your kids.

And the highway bills are the worst bills and everyone knows it. They build bridges and roads in areas nobody goes to because it's free money for the state at the expense of federal taxpayers.

-Rudey
--169

sugar and spice 09-27-2005 04:59 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
It seems that you stood on the "I'm going to post something wrong" soapbox, because you're really wrong in that post.

-Rudey

Tell me how wrong I am, Rudey.

Heather
-- I hope you have "statistics" to back it up.

WCUgirl 09-27-2005 05:00 PM

Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
That's a shame for your kids.

And the highway bills are the worst bills and everyone knows it. They build bridges and roads in areas nobody goes to because it's free money for the state at the expense of federal taxpayers.

-Rudey
--169

;)

Rudey 09-27-2005 05:01 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Tell me how wrong I am, Rudey.

Heather
-- I hope you have "statistics" to back it up.

Sure.

Do a search for the threads that I discuss professors in.

-Rudey
--Really wrong

sugar and spice 09-27-2005 05:19 PM

I looked for them, but mostly all I could find was you snarking about spelling errors. You did post one article on why Republican professors may be scarce, but it was more conjecture than proof of anything.


Heather
-- Come on, bitches, I want the statistic that says 50 percent of people applying for jobs in anthropology education are conservatives!

Rudey 09-27-2005 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I looked for them, but mostly all I could find was you snarking about spelling errors. You did post one article on why Republican professors may be scarce, but it was more conjecture than proof of anything.


Heather
-- Come on, bitches, I want the statistic that says 50 percent of people applying for jobs in anthropology education are conservatives!

Oh so you had difficulty understanding.

-Rudey
--It's cool.

sugar and spice 09-27-2005 06:25 PM

You're right, that's actually what I meant to say.



Your debate skills continue to astound me.

Rudey 09-27-2005 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
You're right, that's actually what I meant to say.



Your debate skills continue to astound me.

Yes. I am logical and can express myself.

-Rudey
--You should strive for that as well.

Coramoor 09-27-2005 06:38 PM

Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
If I were an angry Republican, I'd be upset that smart people tend to be Democrats.


Well, you know the saying. If you can't do it, teach it.

hoosier 09-27-2005 10:53 PM

Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Coramoor
Well, you know the saying. If you can't do it, teach it.
A serious contender for "Post of the Week"

valkyrie 09-28-2005 01:01 AM

Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Coramoor
Well, you know the saying. If you can't do it, teach it.
People say many stupid things that don't really make sense.

Lindz928 09-28-2005 10:04 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
People say many stupid things that don't really make sense.
I don't understand how that didn't make sense. It is a very well known saying. Accuracy debate aside, the post made complete sense.

DeltAlum 09-28-2005 10:25 AM

Actually, I believe the original quote is, "Those who can't do, teach."

In today's learning environment, I find that many major universities are looking for more of a ballance between academics (including research) and business experience.

Take, for instance, the University of Colorado (Boulder) School of Journalism and Mass Communications.

I taught TV sports production there after directing football for NBC Sports and other sports on many other local and national venues.

Their sports reporting class was taught by a veteran radio sports reporter who was radio voice of the Denver Broncos and sports director for KOA Radio.

The sports writing class was taught by a Boulder based staff writer for Sports Illustrated. There isn't any better writing than that.

The beginning TV production sequence is taught by a former director who worked for me directing the 5:00 and 10:00 PM news on an NBC owned TV station. Between the two of us, there were probably at least 15 Regional EMMYS -- I have 8 myself.

A class in TV producing is taught by a former LA Sitcom executive producer.

A print reporting/writing class is taught by the former Press Secretary to a Colorado Governor.

A news gathering class is taught by a former Assignment Desk person for two Denver TV stations.

I know that not all schools are that proactive (or lucky enough to have that kind of pool from which to pull), but I would argue that many are going that direction.

End of rant.

Lindz928 09-28-2005 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Actually, I believe the original quote is, "Those who can't do, teach."


I realize that, but we all knew what was meant. And it still made sense.

And I agree with the rest of your post. I was a journalism major, and while none of my professors were quite as impressive as the examples you mentioned, they WERE for the most part very experienced in the field. They didn't just learn it in a classroom then teach it... They actually spent time DOING what they were teaching. And I think it made them great teachers. I think I learned more from them and their real life stories than I did from professors who just spouted information to us out of a text book. :)

DeltAlum 09-28-2005 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lindz928
I realize that, but we all knew what was meant. And it still made sense.
That's good. And there are some teachers who fit the mold of being totally "academic."

However, I think that to characterize "all" teachers that way is unfair.

kddani 09-28-2005 10:30 AM

Where are the citations for the sources for these so-called "facts"?

Hoosier's certainly not known for his accuracy in reporting any sort of news story.

Lindz928 09-28-2005 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
That's good. And there are some teachers who fit the mold of being totally "academic."

However, I think that to characterize "all" teachers that way is unfair.

Oh, I think you are absolutely right! My best friend is a teacher, and I would never say that about her. She is intelligent, a great teacher, and she loves her job.

I kind of took the statement as tongue in cheek... I don't know if it was meant that way, but that's how I took it so it didn't upset me.

valkyrie 09-28-2005 10:54 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HUMAN EVENTS: brings me the straight facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Lindz928
I don't understand how that didn't make sense. It is a very well known saying. Accuracy debate aside, the post made complete sense.
It's one of those sayings (although as already pointed out, he got it wrong) that doesn't make sense -- I disagree with the premise that "those who can't do, teach." Other than making fun of teachers, it's not saying anything of substance.

Lindz928 09-28-2005 10:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
It's one of those sayings (although as already pointed out, he got it wrong) that doesn't make sense -- I disagree with the premise that "those who can't do, teach." Other than making fun of teachers, it's not saying anything of substance.
Am I the only one who took it as a joke?:confused:

valkyrie 09-28-2005 11:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Lindz928
Am I the only one who took it as a joke?:confused:
Well, where I come from, jokes are funny -- so my bad if I misunderstood such a lame-ass attempt at humor.

Lindz928 09-28-2005 11:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
Well, where I come from, jokes are funny -- so my bad if I misunderstood such a lame-ass attempt at humor.
I never said it was all that funny.... I just don't think it was meant to be taken as a serious jab at teachers.


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