University of Illinois Recruitment
 

Does anyone have results? All I've heard is that 16/18 made quota.

Re: University of Illinois Recruitment
 

That's more than I have heard. I e-mailed our chapter...no response. No one seems to know!! 16/18 is awesome though. Go U of I Greeks!

I know AOII got 56, quota was 53.

ETA: I just e-mailed my source so hopefully she will know the scoop for the other chapters.

DG got 56 (per ADDG over in our forum)!

more good news....way to go.

One of the AOIIs at Illinois said that quota was 53 and that each chapter could take as many as 3 over quota. That sounds strange to me. Wouldn't each chapter be able to go over quota based on each's numbers in relation to campus total? Does anyone (ahem...deltabetababy...) know if U of I is using a different approach? Of course this girl might have misunderstood, too.

quota plus is not determined by what a chapters total membership is, but has more to do with trying to place as many pnms as possible.

In an effort to place as many women as possible in the Panhellenic system, a CPH may use quota plus during bidmatching. Whenever possible, the quota overage should be no more than 5% of quota. For a quota of 53, that means an additional 3 PNMs can be placed (actual 5% is 2.65, so you round up).

Quota is not determined by chapter total. A chapter can always take quota, even it puts them over campus total.

Yes, quota additions were usually 2 or 3 while I was there. It hurts the smaller chapters a lot, though, and in my mind, means the release figures aren't being done properly.

So many views on this thread...and no one has news??

Hmm, now I'm in math-minded mode. Let's just say that all 16 chapters that reached quota also got three more by quota additions (Did they? We don't know, but for the sake of my argument, let's say yes.) That would add another 48 women to bid lists, which is almost a full new member class for a smaller chapter that may need it. Granted, if all chapters then hit total, maybe it would be time to bring back a chapter that used to be at Illinois. Plus, aren't our quota additions not based on year in school?

Exactly, 48 is a lot of girls, especially when many of them skip parties earlier in the process.

We just lost a chapter, and two are struggling, so I do not think it is the right time to bring anyone back. I think we should fix the inequities that favor the larger chapters.

actually, quota plus was instituted to insure that pnms who maximized their chances for receiving a bid by attending all the parties they are invited to, attending all the prefs they are invited to and ranking all the houses they can list that they would accept a bid from, did not go bidless. and as martha says,"that's a good thing."

Right, but if you READ my post, my beef is with the ones who SKIP parties, then end up as quota additions. In addition, I trust the Greek Life office to get release figures right like I trust WalMart to treat its workers fairly.

I wasn't aware of that. We lost 3 (ZTA, AZD, & DPE) while I was there, but gained 1 (DZ). I didn't know anything had happened since then. That's too bad.

On the quota plus issue, I knew a chapter could take quota in any circumstance, but I didn't know they could go over quota if that put them above campus total.

quota plus is designed to help those women who MAXIMIZE their chances by attending all parties. if women are skipping parties and are then receiving bids as quota additions, the school is not using it as it was intended.

Yes, I spent quite a bit of time beating my head against the wall on this at presidents' council a few years back. I wanted the following to help my chapter (a smaller one at the time):

1. If a girls skips parties on her schedule, she is no longer eligible for quota addition.

2. If a girl suicides a chapter and does not match, she is not allowed to pledge that chapter through a snap/COB in the same semester.

3. Panhellenic advertising after formal rush to get names of girls who did not rush but may be interested.

4. Every chapter is guaranteed a minimum two RX's.

5. Published release figures for all chapters.

6. No COB hiatus after FR. If a chapter recolonized and needed it, we should only be prevented from adverstising COB, but not from pledging friends of existing members.

7. An elimination of bid day on the quad.

I only got #4.

well that's a shame, because they sound like reasonable requests.

What??? You mean if you have an open rush party like the week after formal rush, you can't give out open bids? That's totally wrong and totally discriminatory to the smaller groups.

I'm guessing one or maybe some of these:

1. Fraternity guys making rude comments.

2. It being very obvious which chapters are smaller/took fewer people.

3. Having to open your bid in public in front of the rest of the rushees and sorority members - and having to hide your feelings if it wasn't exactly what you wanted.

Here's the stats for this year, in case anyone was curious.

U of I Panhellenic Numbers

3. Having to open your bid in public in front of the rest of the rushees and sorority members - and having to hide your feelings if it wasn't exactly what you wanted.

Is this actuallly what happens at this school??

At West Georgia, the tradition is that bids are given out about 8:00 pm Labor Day at the UCC building or inside another campus building..not in the middle of campus!!! ..then the new members rush over to the sorority dorm to their new glo.

Then about 9 or some, all of the groups meet in the quad.

At that time of night, the sororities are about the only ones there. Everyone can see who pledge who. You will always those that are disappointed that they didn't get their 1st choice but hopefully the majority are thrilled.

When I pledged bids were given out at the theater, right in the middle of campus, right in front of everybody. You could definately tell who didn't get their first choice, and I always remembered who was upset about getting what.

What was awful for me was that I knew I got a bid (I played the game) but there was no bid card for me!!! So while everybody was screaming and running to their house, my roommate was comforting me while I went bawling to the office (She already got her bid from our mutual first choice). Turned out ok in the end, I was a Phi Mu too! But oh the agony. I'll never forget!

Our girls open theirs in the campus center...the only people there are the PX's and other PNMs. Recruitment chairs are not allowed to come and pick the girls up till after theyre done. The only problem?? People are upstairs eating in the cafeteria and it's sort of an "open floor" so people are coming downstairs all the time and there's all sorts of noise too...we try to schedule it later, but sometimes it just doesn't happen.

I have NO idea...I'm just speculating...hopefully DBB will come back & fill us in. So please don't take what I wrote as the truth!

at my school, bid cards are opened in front of one of the gyms on the western side of campus in front of only the sigma rho chi's and other pnm's. then there's a revealing ceremony with the PX's where they all sing the chapters' songs and when that particular girl's chapter's song comes up, she unzips her sweatshirt. its a very fun way for all the pnm's to be see who belongs to whom!

and then the newly revealed rho chi's take the girls who got bids from their chapters across campus cheering the song to wherever the sorority is hanging out (we don't have houses or dorms, so most places are traditionally assigned - ie in fron t of another gym, near the theater, near the center of campus, etc etc)

When one of the smaller chapters got very small, they asked for a COB hiatus. Now, the big chapters didn't know a damn thing about COB, so they voted in favor, but it hurt everyone else who was not at quota/total. I realize that particular chapter needed help, but in COB, you are rarely competing for the same women.

Okay, when I rushed, you went a big room in the union. Each rush group had a table, and you found your rho chis and got your bid, and most opened them there. Then you went back to your dorm, and your new sisters came to pick you up for bid night.

Now, everyone finds the Rho Chis from their org, and get into groups, then go out onto the quad where your new sisters are waiting for you and take you back to the house. Yes, it is VERY obvious which groups do not make quota, and there are a lot more people there to see if you are upset.

There was some theory that not letting girls go back to their dorm would prevent chapters from losing girls between bid distribution and bid night, but I don't think that worked that way.

A couple of years ago for informal (which is for upperclassmen and is in the Fall), the school I was at allowed the smaller chapters to start informal a week earlier than the larger ones. It helped my chapter which was 3rd in size (of 5) and only about 10 smaller than the largest but it didn't help the smallest one as much. We ended up getting 12 girls (I think).

Why? Were they planning on recolonizing and didn't want the other chapters to take away girls by open bidding?

And as far as the quad thing...it sounds pointless. Just pick the girls up at their dorm, then if they don't want to go it'll be a lot more private. Go from the dorm to the sorority house. I don't see the point of doing otherwise unless you think it's important that bid day be a public comparison display,

Yes. I think a hiatus on advertising in the student paper or hanging up flyers in the freshman dorm would have been okay, but COB is just that, OPEN.

Apparently the res halls said it was too disruptive. I think that is ridiculous.

I LOVED going to the dorms to get our new girls. Yes, we'd make a fuss, chant, and go nuts. For crying out loud though; it was Sunday afternoon for like ten minutes total! We'd cheer, get our NM, jump up and down, YAY, put the the decoration with letters on the door, and then leave.

So I thought and tried to figure out where the "disruption" was. I can see it being upsetting for the women who didn't get bids because they hear all the excitement and that Susie Sunshine down the hall got a bid to the house they hoped to be a member of. Of course no one likes to be cut or not be part of the group that was their "first choice." The doors will be plastered with letters, and they'll see who became a member of what house for the rest of the year. Disrupting though? Is ten minutes on a Sunday afternoon really going to mess up everyone's schedule? I'm all for empathy and being aware of how others are feeling, but where do we draw the line? Greeting on the quad causes Panhellenic issues. Sororities and members feel badly because they didn't get the numbers or get their "rush crushes". It's like a professor saying everyone's grade out loud. "I know you tried, but sorry...some of your answers wanted to be on other student tests instead. You get a C-." NMs also see how their new class stacks up against other houses. It causes houses to feel more elite because "oooh, at least we got quota/total and we're not like ABC who got two members and we got 50."

::big sigh:: You can't please everyone, but oh I so liked surprising our new members and bringing them all their fun gifts.

In response to U of I Sig Kap - the stats for this year show 18 women didn't receive a bid at all, and 939 did. The 18 who didn't get bids should have been contacted by their Rho Chis. So, I agree that the residence hall thing is BS. I feel terrible for those 18 women, but why can't 939 celebrate? The 18 have advanced notice, and can arrange to be away from the dorms while the NMs are being picked up. I really liked the tradition of being picked up at the dorms, and it is a lot more humane than embarrassing groups out at the quad. Some of the "advancements" in the U of I Greek system don't seem to be progress at all.

Still nothing? No one knows???