Ann Coulter tells the truth on "registered Democratic voters."
 

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September 14, 2005


Democrats are so excited about Hurricane Katrina, they're thinking of moving "Camp Casey" to an area outside the National Weather Service. What they haven't figured out yet is how Richard Perle and the "neocons" cooked up a hurricane that targeted only black people. Meanwhile, rescuers in New Orleans have discovered a lower-than-expected 424 dead bodies or, as they're known to liberals, "registered Democratic voters."

In liberals' defense, they've got a better shot at convincing Americans that Bush is responsible for a hurricane than convincing them that John Kerry was fit to be commander in chief. Compared to Kerry, Katrina is a blowhard they can work with.

Liberals think Hurricane Katrina means they get to pick the next Supreme Court justice. And as of today the smart money is on Cindy Sheehan — something about her moral authority being absolute

Ann Coulter = domestic terrorist symphatizer.

-Ann Coulter

I heart hoosier. He always posts the best topics.

-Ann Coulter talking to a disabled Vietnam Vet on MSNBC

Ann Coulter support facism?

-Ann Coulter, MSNBC, February 8, 1997

Not a single thing suggests she is a "domestic terrorist sympathizer", even in the quote you posted.

-Rudey

What does the fact that he was a vet or disabled have to do with her remark?

In fact, what do any of these quotes you're posting have to do with anything?

-Rudey

Since you asked, the answer is "No".

-Rudey

No reason

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Another really remarkable heading for this thread.

Ann Coulter tells "the truth" about registered Democratic voters? Who decides what "the truth" is.

I don't. She doesn't either. Nor does Hoosier.

We can all decide what our own opinion is -- but that doesn't make it true.

I think the fact that the person served the country and was disabled as a result of it makes her remark way out of line.

Yeah, because once you serve your country and become disabled you get the sympathy of everyone and can do no wrong, and anyone that makes a remark against you is way out of line.

-Rudey

cosign.

How about instead of taking the comment out of context, let's figure out why she said what she did. What was the story surrounding the comment? Because I guarantee you, she probably had a damn good reason for making the comment. ....Whoops, had to stop myself from making an assumption, but I'm curious as to what the story surrounding the comment was, not just the @$$hole point of view that she told a vietnam vet that he was a loser.

He may well have been a loser...but unless he was a member of the administration(s) who tried to micro-manage the war and not allow the professional military win it -- he was almost certainly not "the reason we lost that war."

Vietnam veterans have lived with enough without having to listen to outlandish generalities and personal attacks like that.

I think we all need to chip in a few bucks each, and hire an addl. moderator with a little common sense for this forum.

Send your $$$ to Tom's Tobaccky Shop, KS (or is it MO?)

We're supposed to get paid? Damn B, I think John forgot something.

I guess he did forget. Speaking of common sense I guess that counts out hoosier for moderator.

Co-sign

This guy was on the sharp-end of things while Coulter was playing with her dollies :rolleyes:

But then hey was does Coulter know about Vietnam anyways? After all she was under the impression that Canada fought there too...

lol

I think we should get a new News and Politics moderator too. I suggest Scalia. He likes to BALLEET people and since he isn't the Chief Justice nominee he has a lot of free time on his hands to balleet all the idiots who don't know anything about the Constitution at all.

Well, yes and no. The number of Canadians who fought with the US army is estimated to surpass the number of Americans who dodged the draft to move to Canada. 6 Canadians are still MIA/POW from the war I think.

Canada's government did not send troops to fight in the war and when these troops returned they faced a lot of nastiness - especially from the dick Americans living in Canada. But at the same time the government did not stop them and looked the other way; they did not prosecute these men.

By 1986, these Canadian Vietnam Veterans became organized.

In 1995, the North Wall was erected in Windsor with government assistance. The municipal council donated that land while the Veterans raised funds for the memorial. I don't think Canada has memorials for each war since the country has the National War Memorial, so would this be the only memorial dedicated to an individual war (at least in this century?)?

Canada also served in a peace keeping/truce monitoring functions (this time under a government directive).

So did Canada, the country, send troops? Yes.

Did Canada's government send troops? No, but they sure did look the other way during the war and did donate public lands for their memorial after the war.

-Rudey

You can try and defend Ann Coulter's misguided perceptions about Canada - Vietnam and otherwise - but unfortunately there is really no dancing around the issue that she was dead wrong (again).



Though still not recognized by the government as veterans nor by the Royal Canadian Legion as such either... basically it means they get no benefits (health or otherwise) that veteran status would entail.



Hmmm someone has been a little mis-informed

Alright other than the individual community monuments or memorials I'll list the "National" ones dedicated to particular wars:

In the 19th century...
War of 1812 (Queenston Heights, ON), Crimean War (Halifax, NS)

In the 20th century...
Boer War (Lydenburg, South Africa), World War I (Vimy, France), World War II (Juno Beach, France), Korean War (Milton, ON), Peacekeeping Missions (Ottawa, ON)...

and now unfortunately during the 21st century...
The War on Terror/Afghanistan (Kandahar, Afghanistan)

As for the Vietnam Memorial... well yes I did recieve some municpal funding, but it was funded mostly by private donations from Canadian and US citizens - but still it is not recgonized by the Federal government nor the Department of National Defense.



Canada served (and still does :rolleyes: ) in Vietnam and Cambodia as monitors and de-miners under the UN mandate overseeing the peace following the end of the Vietnam War... so while yes Canada did send peacekeepers it was after the cesation of hostilities and under a UN mandate and mission.



Nice try... but did Canada the country, send troops... nope Canada the nation/country/state did not send troops.

Did individual Canadian citizens enlist with the US or Australian militaries to serve in Vietnam? Yep

Well you got the government point down... but did the look the other way? Not entirely - Canada's diplomatic efforts in resolving the conflict was one of the major arguing points between Canada and the US during the conflict... in fact I believe that LBJ physically threatened Pierre Trudeu because of the political/diplomatic division.

Did Canada donate land to the Vietnam memorial in Windsor? Nope - Windsor, ON the city allowed private individuals to purchase the land at a severely reduced cost for the memorial... they couldn't donate it or the federal government and DND would have launched a legal injunction.


Thing is this isn't the first time the issue of recognizing citizens who served in a foreign conflict under a foreign flag... and in the other two cases no memorial was erected either, nor was veteran status awarded to the combatants . The other two conflicts besides Vietnam were of course the US Civil War and the Spanish Civil War,

Again, they turned a blind eye and did not prosecute. You said they didn't turn a blind eye entirely...so I guess they turned a blind eye just a little huh? Either way, regardless of to what extent, they turned a blind eye. Find something else to argue about because this point is lost.

Again, the government did provide assistance for their war memorial. You admit "well yes I did recieve some municpal funding". Even if that assistance is one penny, it is assistance. If the government provides me with health care at 10% of the normal cost, they are providing assistance and subsidization. Hence, the government assisted in building these soldiers a war memorial.

Again, call it what you want but having that large number of Canadians (some places say over 30,000) fighting in Vietnam while the government turned a blind eye, did not prosecute, and then provided assistance to build a war memorial could be seen by some at the very least as providing assistance and at the very most as participating.

-Rudey

Coulter: "Canada used to be one of our most loyal friends and vice-versa. I mean Canada sent troops to Vietnam - was Vietnam less containable and more of a threat than Saddam Hussein?"

McKeown interrupts: "Canada didn't send troops to Vietnam."

Coulter: "I don't think that's right."

McKeown: "Canada did not send troops to Vietnam."

Coulter (looking desperate): "Indochina?"

McKeown: "Uh no. Canada ...second World War of course. Korea. Yes. Vietnam No."

Coulter: "I think you're wrong."

McKeown: "No, took a pass on Vietnam."

Coulter: "I think you're wrong."

McKeown: "No, Australia was there, not Canada."

Coulter: "I think Canada sent troops."

McKeown: "No."

Coulter: "Well. I'll get back to you on that."

Sorry. It seems very obvious to me that she is absolutely wrong in this exchange -- and then won't admit it.

Canada did not participate in the Vietnam war. Some Canadians did. There's a real big difference.

As an aside, I heard a lot of college men of my generation talk about going to Canada to dodge the draft -- but don't know a single one who did. A lot of them did use whatever political or family influence they had to get highly coveted spots in the National Guard or Reserves. To some extent, they were doing the same thing -- trying to stay out of the active duty military, and stay out of Southeast Asia. They just found different ways of doing it.

Some? It didn't seem like it was 1 or 2.

And the government turned a blind eye and didn't stop it. Later on it supported them through subsidization of a memorial.

Either way, yes she was wrong in even possibly suggesting that the government played an active role. But it's also wrong to suggest that Canada played no role in the war.

-Rudey
--If only Democrats cared this much about checking Moore's facts...

Of course it wasn't 1 or 2, but in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of U.S. personnel who were there at any given time, the numbers are likely tiny. Same argument if the Canadian government had actually sent troops -- the number would have been much larger.

Argue (for arguments sake) what you will, spin any words and/or facts, but Canada did not send troops to Vietnam in any "reasonable mans'" point of view.

Hmmm, over 30,000 Canadian soldiers fought in the Vietnam War. That number is higher than the amount of British in the Iraq war. Their government allowed them to fight and then helped in building a memorial.

Right. You sure are a reasonable man.

-Rudey

No Canadian soldiers fought in Vietnam. That's the point. The Canadian government did not send its' military. Canadian citizens and/or expats, serving in other military organizations did.

During the height of the war, the U.S. had over 500,000 service people in country at any given time. The war lasted ten years. Millions of U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen served in S.E. Asia.

I appreciate every single one of the Canadians who fought at our side -- but in the overall scope of the conflict, 30,000 is not a large number at all.

30,000 was not a huge portion of the over 2 million that served in Vietnam.

30,000 was a rather sizable number of Canadian citizens.

Again, Britain didn't even send 30,000 troops to fight in Iraq. Not only did the Canadian government know their citizens were leaving, but this number is a high number. They could have prosecuted and ended it, but they turned a blind eye. Just like if you witness a crime and keep silent, you may be prosecuted as an accessory to that crime under your state's/nation's laws.

And given that a Canadian is a native or inhabitant of Canada, these were Canadian soldiers. They were not there to fight for the Canadian armed forces. But that fact should be seen in the scope of the large number of Canadians fighting in Vietnam, their government allowing them to fight by turning a blind eye, and their government assisting them with a war memorial.

-Rudey

But Britain sent them. In Vietnam, Canada didn't.

A Canadian Soldier is a member of the Canadian military.

A Canadian who is a soldier could be an American soldier, or a British Soldier or whatever kind of soldier -- even a mercenary. But she or he isn't a Canadian soldier.

Argue it any way you want, but there is still a big difference.

You could use a brush-up on semantics; William Safire writes some great pieces on the English language.

As you seem to refuse to see the points I am making for your own reasons, I will fall back on my grandfather's advice and simply say, "You're right."

-Rudey

So Rudey following your "semantics" would you argue that British soldiers were in Vietnam? Or how about German soldiers?

Oh... as for prosecuting Canadians who served in Vietnam... um some were - if it was shown that they may have been involved in War Crimes the government went after them (or would have if they had come back to Canada) - and example of this would have been the two "Canadians" that participated in My Lai - they have yet to return to Canada, most likely becuase of the threat of legal action against them.

Interesting that you didn't respond to the evicerating of your "only memorial this century" arguement... did you get that 'fact' from FOXNews?

Finally there is a huge difference between a town or city granting cheap land for a memorial and official Federal recognition of said memorial - although if it helps you defend Coulter's ignorance feel free to cling to this straw...

Rob don't piss me off. I am going to start posting some heavy stuff against you if you don't stop.

And yes, if there were Germans who were soldiers in Vietnam, there were German soldiers there. I didn't say that the German army sent their men there to fight.

And they were not prosecuted for being in Vietnam. What a stupid thing to say. Why don't you just tell me about the ones that were prosecuted for robbery when they came back from Vietnam?? Being prosecuted for war crimes or robbery is not being prosecuted for fighting in Vietnam. Why don't you just tell me that the dirt in Toronto is brown, because that's as irrelevant as that point.

And no I didn't make an argument for it being the only memorial. The Canadian government needs to invest more money into its education system to help men like you learn proper English. I even asked a question. And where did I get the info? Through reading on my own, probably from Daily Kos.

You can keep bashing America and Fox news but you have nothing. I didn't say Ann was right. I simply pointed out that there were over 30,000 Canadian soldiers in Vietnam, while their government "served as accessory to the crime" and later subsidized their memorial.

Again, keep up your snide remarks this week and I can start having some real fun.

-Rudey

Be as threatening as you want - you'll find I don't react well to threats. But go ahead and post your "heavy" stuff... if it's as factual/logical as the rest of your posts in this thread then I really don't have to worry at all do I?



Okay earlier you stated that Canada the country sents troops to Vietnam... so according to this "air-tight" logic of yours Germany, UK, Italy, heck even Switzerland sent troops...



See again you're wrong - every Canadian citizen that served in the Vietnam War is a criminal according to the Canadian government... see there's this law thingy that prohibits citizens from taking up arms against a friendly nation.

So in the case of Vietnam those citizens that served in the US Army were in violation of the Foreign Enlistment Act of 1937 (enacted because of Spainsih Civil War):
Any person, who being a Canadian national, whether within or residing outside Canada voluntarily accepts or agrees to accept any commission or engagement in the armed forces of any foreign state at war with any friendly state.... is guilty of an offense of this act.

To avoid prosecution many Canadians renouced their citizenship - or even lied on their applications in order to protect themselves from prosecution by giving false US place of birth location.



Oooooh stop using the O'Reilly pattern of data manipulation (or fabrication) when making an arguement...

Up to 30,000 Canadians in the US military, of which 10,000 may have served in Vietnam is a far cry from your assertion of 30,000 Canadians in Vietnam....

As for the government "funding" a memorial let me understand this then...

So if US citizens commision and pay for the memorial and the city of Windsor allows them to purchase a space within a municpal park that means that the Federal government some how recognized and subsidized the memorial?

As for the Canadian government "serving as an accessory to the crime" are you saying/admiting that Vietnam was a criminal war? - oh-oh the neo-cons are going to have to drag you away for re-education... or do you mean to say that Canada was an assessor to the criminal act commited by those citizens who served in Vietnam by not blocking the construction of the memorial - or by the granting of an amnesty back in the late 80's to those citizens?

Perhaps you can learn a little from visiting the site of those who built the memorial:
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/5344/cvvm.html

They seem to have a slightly better grasp of the facts than the site you read earlier...

Sure dude. You're the one who threatened him a while back.

Actually you are the only person on here to make threats.

And you have a history of lying. Of course this lying can be insignificant but you complement it with insults and jabs at America and anyone not conservative.

Again, over 30,000 Canadians fought in the Vietnam war. Check the CBC before making up lies and accusing me of things. I don't watch O'Reilly. I watch television rarely.

Again, the Canadian government knew and did nothing. They served as an accomplice.

Again, the Canadian government subsidized a memorial for them.

You obviously want to play so here:

"Your constant stream of lies and you’re inability to acknowledge reality makes you a laughing stock both at the chapter and Alumni level...Threatening the chapter or attacking members will not longer be tolerated. If you continue to harass the chapter or Alumni Board in any fashion, I will be forced to contact the Police and file for a restraining order.

Again, You've been told in Exec, you've been told as a friend, now you're being told by someone that has lost any and all respect for you. LEAVE THE CHAPTER ALONE ! " That was a quote from a Mr. Hadley of your chapter.

Well not only are you wrong but you just have to insult and you have to push it.

-Rudey
--Enjoy your push back.

Yep after he called me a peadophile, child molestor, a snuff film maker, a racist, an anti-semite, a coward, insulted my nation, my service, my then girlfriend (I believe the term race-traitor was bandied about), my family, my education, etc...

Alright maybe I should have clarified and said I don't take threats or constant insults well... or perhaps I should just stick with the statement "I don't suffer fools lightly"

Again, you're lying and making accusations.

Given that your fraternity members are tired of the lying, the accusations, the threats...perhaps you should realize you are not "the good guy" and you surely have no credibility.

-Rudey

What lies were his fraternity members tired of, and what accusations and threats do you speak of?

I need to know because I am just that nosey. I also believe most of greekchat would like to know because they are also just that nosey.

Sorry I can't help you out - mainly because I didn't get the email ;)

Anyways the matter it looks like it discusses involved a private chapter matter, and as such I won't talk about it now that it has been resolved.