Largest NPHC and Non NPHC fraternity/sorority?
 

Just wondering if anyone out there knows which NPHC fraternity or sorority is the largest? I have been told that it is Delta Sigma Theta Sorority and Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity but not sure.

Also, which non-NPHC sorority/fraternity is the largest?

You might want to just ask the latter question here, since you have already asked the first question in a NPHC forum, where all of us can read and respond.

I think this question has been posted before somewhere on GC. Or, I've at least seen the answer on the web somewhere.

This question can be answered a few different ways.

1. Most active chapters.
2. Most initiated members.
3. Most current financial members.

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I was thinking more of just initiated.

When you say non-NPHC org, are you referring to:

- only social orgs (regardless or ethnicity makeup)
- only black orgs not belonging to the NPHC
- only NIC/NPC orgs
- Doesn't matter, as long as it's not an NPHC org
- Any or all of the above

Your question is too broad to answer definitively. If you can narrow it down a bit, we can zero in on an answer a little better for you ;)

When we give our stats publicly, we give them as the total number of initiated members since day one, and the total number of chapters chartered. Any other stats are published internally, and are not for public consumption.

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To those who are thinking of answering I am only referring to those initiated.

Rainman

when I say non-NPHC i mean any GLO that's not in the Divine 9

sorry for all the confusion. I should have been more specific.

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That's still a little too broad. Do you mean NPC and NIC organizations? (Though, some Divine 9 members are also members of NIC)

Wow, it seemed like such a simple question. But I guess not.

Simple
 

I think people are reading too much into the question just answer it to the best of your ability.

Thanks

I have a soror who is very 'hard core' about membership. She feels that if you are not financial you are not a member.

From the numbers that I have seen on membership I would venture to guess that they give numbers in terms of initiated members since day one.

yeah, we now say all members are sorors, but not all sorors are members (defined as a financial soror.) But when we list our numbers we actually list the number of sorors from day one.

NIC fraternities (maybe oudated):
Most chapters: Tau Kappa Epsilon
Most active members: Sigma Phi Epsilon
Most Alumnis: Sigma Alpha Epsilon

Largest, oldest, living-est, so what?
 

Another category, which outfit has the most living alumni? I'd
guess TKE due to their late expansion, and, for example, SAE, in
1856 beginning, would obviously have many now deceased.
But really, in the final analysis, what difference does it make, and
did we weigh these things heavily in our choice of houses?
Besides, we have pretty much covered it all previously and there
seems to be a different philosophy in categorization of members,
so why don't we just move on?
For example, why don't we concentrate on who has the cleanest
fraternity/sorority houses? I hear abundant criticisms from kids
who go thru rush and do not pledge due to the abominable conditions of the house...do we no longer have inspections?

Largest, oldest, living-est, so what?
 

Another category, which outfit has the most living alumni? I'd
guess TKE due to their late expansion, and, for example, SAE, in
1856 beginning, would obviously have many now deceased.
But really, in the final analysis, what difference does it make, and
did we weigh these things heavily in our choice of houses?
Besides, we have pretty much covered it all previously and there
seems to be a different philosophy in categorization of members,
so why don't we just move on?
For instance, why don't we concentrate on who has the cleanest
fraternity/sorority houses? I hear abundant criticisms from kids
who go thru rush and do not pledge due to the abominable conditions of the house...do we no longer have inspections?

The poster is new to GC and was simply asking a question. Yeah, so what, but this is a message board.

Damn, You said it only to well! Excellent Point that!!!!:cool:


Dumbest Question is the one never asked!:)

Awww thank you. It is heartwarming coming from you. ;)

Re: Largest, oldest, living-est, so what?
 

I agree with this. I mean, once you (the general you) find out the numbers, then what?

For example, lets say GLO XYZ has 100,000 initiated members, but only 30,000 are currently active (financial). Then lets say GLO ABC has 80,000 initiated members and 45,000 are financial. So who is the "bigger" GLO. One that has more initiated members, or one that does a better job of retention of its members and thus may seem bigger?

Size is only really important in a few instances..........;):cool:

I was having a conversation the other day with other greeks and we were all wondering this so I figured I would post it here to see if anyone had any knowledge of this.

Thanks to those that have offered anyknowledge to the answer.

In terms of initiated members of NPHC-members group, unless something has changed radically in the last few years, the rankings according to size are as follows:

Sororities:
1)Delta Sigma Theta
2) Alpha Kappa Alpha
3) Zeta Phi Beta
4) Sigma Gamma Rho

Fraternities:
1) Alpha Phi Alpha
2) Omega Psi Phi
3) Kappa Alpha Psi
4) Phi Beta Sigma
5) Iota Phi Theta



"Que Psi Phi 'til the day I die!"

Where did you get this information?

Consult the most recent editions of Baird's Manual and reference this information and the sources it uses.

"Que Psi Phi 'til the day I die!"

NPHC Greeks actually use this? Very interesting.

Well, it's the most comprehensive tome on Greek-letter socities, period. Even though there is little on NPHC groups, besides the profiles of the groups, there are some statistical information of the type mentioned above. It's the only place where I've seen this information. Regrettably, only recently have BGLOs qua GLOs become the focus of serious scholarly investigation by African American Greeks and academics.

"Que Psi Phi 'til the day I die!"

The thing with Baird's is (unless it's changed or I am wrong) is that is doesn't list many Latino/a, Asian, South Asian, or Multicultural Greeks, which is problematic.

Someone needs to make a more comprehensive compilation. Any volunteers??? :D

Haven't Baird been trying to update the book for decades now? I know the last time they update it was back in the early 90s.

Is Kappa Delta Chi a part of NPHC?

KDChi is NALFO, as I said in the other thread.

I'd never heard of Baird's until GC.

LadyGreek, this highlights another issue: the relative ignorance of various types of Greek-letter organizations with each other. We travel in certain circles and often restrict ourselves even within the confines of affiliated council groups. Back in '81 I attended the Southeastern Interfraternity Conference convention (an NIC affiliated organization) in the ATL. There were just a handfull of NPHC fraternity members there. It was enlightening and I had a good time socially. I do think that we ca learn from each other;for different types of groups have their strengths and weaknesses. And all of, in one way or another, owe our existence to the particular convergence of sociocultuiral and historical factors that birthed the American Greek-letter society. These dynamics of faculty/student friction and the need for student self-determination, contemporary social idealism,social class,gender, religious and ethnic/racial differences led to establishment of us all, in one way or another.

"Que Psi Phi 'til the day I die!"

This was never an issue for me and still isn't.