OJ tells: "The Truth About Race in America"
 

(Don't miss the last three paragraphs)

The Truth About Race in America--III
Yesterday's installment in this series argued that racial special pleading is at odds with interracial compassion:

"It makes no sense to expect nonblacks to empathize with blacks because they are black. Transracial empathy must be based on what people of different races have in common: that we are fellow Americans, or fellow human beings. The use of a natural disaster as an occasion for racial grievance is a hindrance, not an aid, to national solidarity and empathy."

But of course the culture of racial grievance is not about compassion or empathy, which is why the racialization of Hurricane Katrina has struck such a discordant note. The only appropriate response to a natural disaster is to offer concern and help to the victims; claims about justice and guilt are out of place and beside the point.

Yet it is upon claims about justice and guilt that racial politics in America are built. And since those who make such claims have seized on Katrina to press them, it's fair to respond by taking a critical look. Let's begin with our friend Randall Robinson, whose Puffington Host post we cited yesterday, and who is an intelligent defender of an extreme position. Here's an excerpt from the Amazon.com review of Robinson's 2000 book, "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks":

He goes further than any previous black public figure in calling for reparations to African-Americans for the present-day racism that stems from 246 years of slavery. Citing compensation that Jews and Japanese Americans have received, he writes, "No race, ethnic or religious group has suffered as much over so long a span as blacks have and do still, at the hands of those who benefited ._._. from slavery and the century of legalized American racial hostility that followed it." In making his case, Robinson utilizes facts and figures that highlight the disparity between African-Americans and whites.

"Reparations" for slavery are not really a serious idea, but the question Robinson raises in his title is worth asking: What does America owe to blacks?

Up to a point, almost everyone can agree on the answer. America owes blacks full citizenship, which as a formal matter means equal treatment in matters of law, politics, commerce and education. Hardly anyone argues against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, or the outcomes of landmark civil rights cases such as Brown v. Board of Education and Loving v. Virginia.

In post-civil-rights America, racial matters become contentious when the issue is preferential, rather than equal, treatment. "Reparations"--Write me a check, you racist!--are the crassest version of this idea, easily dismissed as silly (remember this guy?). But the policies that fall under the rubric of "affirmative action" are based on the same concept: that white Americans today continue to be guilty for wrongs committed by white Americans of the pre-civil-rights era.

This notion of collective guilt is at odds with America's individualist ethos, and for that reason both the politics and the jurisprudence of affirmative action are muddled. Racial preferences persist largely out of bureaucratic inertia, even though they have been rejected on the rare occasion that they were put to a political test. In 1996 voters in liberal California approved Proposition 209, banning all racial preferences in state and local government, with 54% of the vote.

The U.S. Supreme Court, meanwhile, has long held that any distinction by race, even a "benign" one designed to help minorities, is subject to "strict scrutiny" under the Constitution. But in Grutter v. Bollinger (2003), which allowed colleges to impose racial preferences so long as they are somewhat vague about what they're doing, the court preposterously decided that the University of Michigan had met this high standard merely by offering bromides about the importance of "diversity" in education. Muddying the waters further, Justice Sandra O'Connor opined that this justification would expire in 25 years.

Affirmative action is deeply entrenched in America's governmental, educational and corporate institutions. But political support for it--already weak, as we saw in California in 1996--is likely only to become weaker. That's because white guilt is a fading force in America. Every American now under 40 was born after the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, so they have no memory of pre-civil-rights America. In two more generations, there will be hardly anyone left with even childhood memories of segregation.

It's hard to make people feel guilty when they personally have done nothing wrong. It's hard to argue that racial disparities are the product of extant racism when there is no direct evidence that such racism is anything but extremely rare, and when public policy actually favors blacks over whites.

On Tuesday we noted that black Americans have sharply different views on racial matters than do white Americans and, therefore, than do Americans as a whole. What we are arguing today is that the views of whites are likely to move even further away from those that blacks now hold.

We do not think there is any serious danger of old-fashioned racism resurging; the post-civil-rights consensus in favor of equal citizenship is as solid as anything in American political life.

But the divergence between blacks and whites is still a problem for America, and a much bigger problem for black America.

Black leaders would be well advised to spend less energy cultivating grievances and more cultivating an understanding of their fellow Americans. That is the path to integration.

- Opinion Journal

I see you posting racially divisive stances that have a an ultra conservative bent to them... And I think you are currently living in the Southeast part of the US.

Aside from many folks of African descent asking why you post these sorts of tidbits when we have yet to care what folks think other that EFF YOU, I am left still wondering what purpose does it serve to point these things out to folks?

But the only explanation I can imagine is that some black woman is not paying attention to your game skills and you are begging her for a date...

Or maybe it is a man that you desire...

I dunno, but either way, folks are tired of your racial politicos.

My guess is that he's a little put out while waiting for his "sheets" to come back from the cleaners...

I'm sorry you didn't read the article with an open mind.

I'm sorry a personal attack is your response.

I read the title and thought this was going to be an opinion piece from Orenthal James Simpson.

!!!!

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So to sum up the Opinion Journal article:

"If them black folks weren't so uppity there'd be no problem"

Gee who could have a problem with that attitude - or those who spread it? :rolleyes:

Did you ever think of reading the article without a closed mind - or consider why it is so back-assward condecending that people might be offended? Or is it the case that you are so firmly ensared by neo-con dogma (still) that you feel the need to assult/insult other's intelligence with yet another "real" American article?

OMG I did too. LOL I was thinking "when did the media start speaking to OJ again?"

I felt that this article basically said that the key to intergration was for blacks to be more understanding of nonblacks and the hard place that the legacy of racism in this country has put them in. Basically, we need to STFU....... :rolleyes:


I love threads like this that bring the good people of GC together. :)

:o :o :o :o

Concerning the article: And we just value OJ's opinion so much.

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Just wondering how you see this article as part of the "neo-con dogma?"

On the article: The way I read it, the author is taking a "why doesn't everyone just get over this" approach, and I think it comes off rather condescendingly.

I thought OJ found the killers. ;)

By the way, lay off the personal attacks people.

he's a bigot, plain and simple.

i know


the irony

Has there ever been a posting mentioning minorities that didn't produce a response from you charging "racism"?

Is that your only way of discussing?

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Rob takes shots at anyone that doesn't have his viewpoint as well as Americans. That is why he brought up neo-cons and can't lay off the insults. Of course, if I'm wrong Rob you can discuss what the neo-conservative ideology (I don't even think you know much about it) has to do with Hoosier, this article, or anything at all. But I'm not wrong so I'll be expecting an apology.

Oh and the Moderators (Franco inspired. most certainly), who have an extreme bias, will allow posts from people that attack conservatives and Americans constantly, but want to keep anyone else silent.

Hoosier don't let them put you down. You are the Nelson Mandela of Greekchat.com.

-Rudey

yes. do a search.



no. i actually have to dumb down my comments so that you can comprehend.

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Yes, if you don't like it, you don't have to post here.

Call me the Golda Meir of the moderators.

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http://csd.k12.ar.us/kmoore/nelson%20in%20prison.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscart...es/mshn72l.jpg

-Rudey

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Yes I suppose you do resemble an old woman if you want that comparison.

But the thing is I post here and when you guys erase, I repost.

So I like it and will keep posting I think. I love you guys. All of you.

-Rudey

I'm Joseph Stalin

I know what's good for the people

http://www.newgenevacenter.org/portrait/stalin.jpg

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Go ahead, I'm not at work anymore.

Nice stache.

-Rudey

Edit reason: smaller picture, faster loading.

I like his better:

http://www.stopbolton.org/images/bolton.gif

This guy's a pimp:

http://www.carygrant.net/mustache-images/4.jpg

http://ystache.com/

http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/...es/z14knao.jpg

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/200...ache/story.gif

Once we had a stache growing contest in college. Much more fun than the mullet contest.

-Rudey

http://www.speedcat.com/images/selleck4.jpg

Can't go wrong with Magnum PI

But this just seems like it would get a guy laid:

http://www.inkstud.com/photos/stache.jpg

-Rudey

What was the time limit?

Yeah, but this guy got a kick ass mustache and a cool hat.

http://www.historyplace.com/specials...o-bismarck.jpg

From midterms to finals which I think was about a month or so.

If I had connected it to my sideburns I know I would have won but I didn't :(

-Rudey

Bismarck might be all about blood, sweat and tears but this man would play keep-away with his hat:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/users/i...ern_stache.jpg

-Rudey
--Otto couldn't do anything about it.

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I'll accept that with gracious pleasure, I think.

Of course, Mandela is now upset about his fellow Africans:

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"Former South African President Nelson Mandela has condemned "arrogant" members of the country's African majority who have suggested that minority groups have no role to play in South Africa.

"His remarks, made in an interview with the Johannesburg-based Sunday Times, came in response to a report in the same paper last week about a prominent lawyer who had made a racist swipe at an Indian South African theatre boss.

"There are some Africans who inspire fear in the minorities because of the way they behave

Mr Mandela said he was concerned about increasing racial polarisation, in particular a "widening of the gap" between Africans and Indians.

"Some Africans themselves have made mistakes. They now throw their weight about as a majority. There are some Africans who inspire fear in the minorities because of the way they behave," he said.
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sorry, none of those have anything on the Pittsburgh 'stache:

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/image/nfl/bill105.jpg
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/996/203645.jpg

The animated 'stace
 

hoosier, you sure you want to be compared to a leftist? We know how you feel about leftists.

Can't go wrong with Smookey and the Bandit

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCT...0/10101735.jpg

I think Mandella was imprisoned for 18 years or so - similarly I was married.

When he got out of jail, he learned his wife was screwing around with a soccer team - I like soccer.

Every six months or so when his money gets low, he makes a trip to the USA to collect more - I haven't figured out where to go (and I'm not asking GCers to make any suggestions).

PS: Although I don't like to shave, I don't have a mustache, and generaly feel that people with facial hair have problems.

it was 27. :rolleyes:

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Uhm, that quote is about South Africa, not Africa. I hope you realized that Africa is not a country, but a continent. The particular quote is about Kwazulu-Natal. He is criticizing the Zulus in particular, a very thingy disguised criticizism of it too.

1. Like Phasad1913 said, it's 27 years.

2. No comment.

3. He goes to the United States to raise money for his HIV/AIDS and children funds. He does not go to the US to ask for money for himself.

I have enough open-mindedness for you that you wanna get with homegirl in the Afro-locks on the bus that your ride home from work everyday...

I know you've been pining for her...

Just let it out and let folks know what you really wanna LOVE in this world...

A BLACK WOMAN...

With a moustache? Can we say, "Aunt Bunny"? "Oh Lawd, please hep, hep Lawd, my shoo--Aunt Bunny fell down the steps!"