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The1calledTKE 09-11-2005 09:47 AM

Bush approval rating lowest ever
 
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.

The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

"As a nation, we are pretty well stretched," said Barry Allen, a political independent from Reed City, Michigan. "I approve of some of the things the president has done and disapprove of others. Overall, I disapprove."

Allen said he liked some of Bush's economic steps during his first term but has been dissatisfied with the president's economic moves in his second term, his Iraq policy and his handling of gasoline prices.

Allen worries Hurricane Katrina has taken the wind out of an economy that was moving in the right direction.

With gasoline racing past $3 a gallon, Bush's standing on dealing with those prices may be one of his biggest problems -- seven in 10 said they disapprove.

And just over half in the poll, 52 percent, said they disapprove of the president's handling of the hurricane.

For Bill Kane of Kingsland, Georgia, the government's slow response to the hurricane "was terrifying to see in our own country. It made you mad, because it made you think where's our money going?"

for full article..
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10/bus....ap/index.html

a.e.B.O.T. 09-11-2005 10:01 AM

tooo bad all this didnt happen last sept before elections

CrimsonTide4 09-11-2005 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by a.e.B.O.T.
tooo bad all this didnt happen last sept before elections
I agree.
My brother graduated from Denison in 2001. :D

hoosier 09-11-2005 12:32 PM

The only poll that counts is on election day, and he's not running for anything next time around.

Polls, incidently, have become the new editorial at many liberal newspapers - if you want to comment on something, hire a pollster and make your opinion seem scientific.

I once did a book report on "How to lie with statistics", proving I didn't have time to do a book report.

The1calledTKE 09-11-2005 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
The only poll that counts is on election day, and he's not running for anything next time around.

Polls, incidently, have become the new editorial at many liberal newspapers - if you want to comment on something, hire a pollster and make your opinion seem scientific.

I once did a book report on "How to lie with statistics", proving I didn't have time to do a book report.


This coming from a guy that post anti Jimmy Carter stuff long after he lost the election .

valkyrie 09-11-2005 02:33 PM

I can't even begin to understand how ANYBODY could approve of Bush at this point.

ASUADPi 09-11-2005 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
I can't even begin to understand how ANYBODY could approve of Bush at this point.

I agree. And it's really, really hard for me to remain open minded when all I see are the bad things. The thing is I want to stay open minded and I want to hear "reasons" why they support Bush but to me the reasons aren't really "reasons" (I say this because the Bush supporters I have spoken too voted for him due to their beliefs on abortion and whatnot and not that that isn't a important topic of discussion it's not crucial right now. What's crucial is the thousands of US Soldiers who are dying in Iraq, Afghanstan and not as much, but Kuwait). If that makes sense at all.

As a President I think he sucks, now it's not to say as a man he is probably nice. Just b/c I don't like him doesn't mean I wouldn't love to meet him and really discuss some of the issues I have (ie. NCLB, the war in Iraq, gas prices).

To the Bush supporters, I would love to know why you still support him. Other than him being Pro-life why do you support him? I really wanna understand. Because as a teacher and a human being I need to understand both sides of the coin. I understand where the anti-Bush supporters are coming from but not the Pro-Bush supporters.

CrimsonTide4 09-11-2005 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
I can't even begin to understand how ANYBODY could approve of Bush at this point.
DITTO. :( :mad: :confused:

AGDee 09-11-2005 03:55 PM

Even my ex-husband doesn't like him anymore.. I never thought THAT would happen!

JenMarie 09-11-2005 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ASUADPi


To the Bush supporters, I would love to know why you still support him. Other than him being Pro-life why do you support him? I really wanna understand. Because as a teacher and a human being I need to understand both sides of the coin. I understand where the anti-Bush supporters are coming from but not the Pro-Bush supporters.

I would also like to know.

And on a similar note...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG40EM00T1.DTL
Quote:

The cruel irony has prompted some to question whether the country's obsession with terrorism has left it vulnerable to other disasters. Rather than credit the administration for staving off terrorist attacks, many believe that unreasonable fears borne from the Sept. 11 attacks drove the country, and its leaders, to overreact to the terrorist threat and divert precious resources from the near-certain catastrophes of nature.

Tom Earp 09-11-2005 06:11 PM

My Head is full of Stupidity from Busch and the Total Congressional constituency!

God, what a bunch of inepet Asses!:mad:

Dont want to name names, but The Grinch wants to get back into the ring? Does that tell You something?G:mad:

God, what a bunch of Sh*ts, Lott, Frist, Lhey, and Who in the Hell Knows!!!:rolleyes:

Give Me the Main Dude From Tenn. Oh, not Gore the Impaler, but THE Real Brains who had enough sense to get the Hell out and be a TV Star. Oh, What was His Name, Fred Thompson?:)

Our Duely Elected Moroons are Just That!:rolleyes:

News Paper Cartoons Make More Sense!:eek:

Rollergirl2001 09-11-2005 11:13 PM

I wonder if those Democrats (and some Republicans) are thinking impeachment...

DeltAlum 09-11-2005 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rollergirl2001
I wonder if those Democrats (and some Republicans) are thinking impeachment...
You can't be impeached for inept handling of a national disaster I don't think.

However, if anyone could ever prove that he lied about WMD, maybe. That would be nearly impossible to prove, though.

ADPiZXalum 09-12-2005 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
I can't even begin to understand how ANYBODY could approve of Bush at this point.
I don't even approve of Bush at this point.
:eek:

ADPiZXalum 09-12-2005 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rollergirl2001
I wonder if those Democrats (and some Republicans) are thinking impeachment...
For what?!

ASUADPi 09-12-2005 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
For what?!
I'm guessing for just a lot of little things in general. The only thing I can really think of would be the whole lying to the people about WMD but that would be almost impossible to prove (even though I'm sure half of congress and the country believe it to be true, heck I do).

Hey if they can try to impeach Clinton for having an extramarital affair (which was none of our damn business in the first place, I don't care where it happened, it had nothing to do with the decisions he made as president), then I'm sure they could try with Bush b/c some of his presidential decisions have been less than "smart" (I guess you could say).


FYI on the whole Clinton impeachment. I only really remember the deal with Monica, which happened right around the impeachment time. I honestly don't remember everything else that happened. But IMPO they went after him b/c of the affair and they justified it with Whitewater. But this thread isn't about Clinton so don't jump on me for getting the impeachment facts wrong, I'm just making the point that if they (Congress) can try to impeach Clinton then they could definately try to impeach Bush. Not that I see in happening b/c you really have to get a majority of Congress that wants to do this.

Tickled Pink 2 09-12-2005 09:04 AM

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Originally posted by Rollergirl2001
I wonder if those Democrats (and some Republicans) are thinking impeachment...
I don't think he can be for this. One can only wish, though. Sad, but when he won the last election, after looking at that silly smirk on his face, I remember saying - he's in for another 4 yrs and is thinking "I don't have to do a thing...."

KSigkid 09-12-2005 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ASUADPi
I'm guessing for just a lot of little things in general. The only thing I can really think of would be the whole lying to the people about WMD but that would be almost impossible to prove (even though I'm sure half of congress and the country believe it to be true, heck I do).

Hey if they can try to impeach Clinton for having an extramarital affair (which was none of our damn business in the first place, I don't care where it happened, it had nothing to do with the decisions he made as president), then I'm sure they could try with Bush b/c some of his presidential decisions have been less than "smart" (I guess you could say).


FYI on the whole Clinton impeachment. I only really remember the deal with Monica, which happened right around the impeachment time. I honestly don't remember everything else that happened. But IMPO they went after him b/c of the affair and they justified it with Whitewater. But this thread isn't about Clinton so don't jump on me for getting the impeachment facts wrong, I'm just making the point that if they (Congress) can try to impeach Clinton then they could definately try to impeach Bush. Not that I see in happening b/c you really have to get a majority of Congress that wants to do this.

Actually President Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

DeltAlum 09-12-2005 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
Actually President Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.
Right, you beat me to it. Lot's of presidents have had affairs, they just didn't lie about them under oath.

sugar and spice 09-12-2005 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JenMarie

The cruel irony has prompted some to question whether the country's obsession with terrorism has left it vulnerable to other disasters. Rather than credit the administration for staving off terrorist attacks, many believe that unreasonable fears borne from the Sept. 11 attacks drove the country, and its leaders, to overreact to the terrorist threat and divert precious resources from the near-certain catastrophes of nature.
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I think this is so true. I was talking to one of my friends who had fought in Iraq about the situation with Katrina -- he is convinced that the fact that our troops are spread so thin over there is one of the reasons that we couldn't restore order faster in New Orleans. I wouldn't be surprised if this were true for things other than our soldiers as well.

Add me to the list of people who has never understood the Bush appeal (as a person, sure, maybe, but as a president?) -- but that's not really a surprise to anyone at this point.

moe.ron 09-12-2005 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Right, you beat me to it. Lot's of presidents have had affairs, they just didn't lie about them under oath.
Yup.

Now, if people want to argue that Whitewater Investigation investigated the wrong items, that would be another debate.

WCUgirl 09-12-2005 09:58 AM

Anybody know what the lowest approval rating is that a President has ever had?

Rudey 09-12-2005 11:09 AM

Voters support Bush for many reasons.

Reading this thread is a good example of the first reason - Democrats are so stupid (ie thinking Clinton was impeached for having sex).

The second reason is that while the "Buck stops here" mentality is good and great, it's not reality. Clinton cut the FEMA budget repeatedly. Is he being questioned on that? No. It's actually quite funny how Bill Clinton is repeatedly being seen at the side of George Bush.

The third reason is the other alternatives. Where are they? Who are they? Who were they? It's funny how the DNC and all political consultants came to the conclusion that they have no leaders who have the ability to inspire and connect with a people, but the mobs and masses of Democrats still can't think through that.

We voted for Bush because he was the best option. It's that simple. We didn't vote for him because we loved him. Nobody considers him to be incredibly intelligent or capable. Ask Carville. The proof is out there - he is our president because he was the best option.

-Rudey

KSigkid 09-12-2005 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Voters support Bush for many reasons.

Reading this thread is a good example of the first reason - Democrats are so stupid (ie thinking Clinton was impeached for having sex).

The second reason is that while the "Buck stops here" mentality is good and great, it's not reality. Clinton cut the FEMA budget repeatedly. Is he being questioned on that? No. It's actually quite funny how Bill Clinton is repeatedly being seen at the side of George Bush.

The third reason is the other alternatives. Where are they? Who are they? Who were they? It's funny how the DNC and all political consultants came to the conclusion that they have no leaders who have the ability to inspire and connect with a people, but the mobs and masses of Democrats still can't think through that.

We voted for Bush because he was the best option. It's that simple. Ask Carville. The proof is out there - he is our president.

-Rudey

Well said - Clinton even admitted as much during one of the post-hurricane press conferences, but none of the questioners pursued the FEMA issue further.

I voted for Bush because he was the best option, and the only candidate I could support in any way. It's as simple as that.

jubilance1922 09-12-2005 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
We voted for Bush because he was the best option. It's that simple. We didn't vote for him because we loved him. Nobody considers him to be incredibly intelligent or capable. Ask Carville. The proof is out there - he is our president because he was the best option.

-Rudey

I didn't feel that way, and I didn't vote for him, so speak for yourself. I personally think my dog is a better option.

KSigkid 09-12-2005 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I didn't feel that way, and I didn't vote for him, so speak for yourself. I personally think my dog is a better option.
He was speaking for himself and for the Bush voters out there. I don't think he was trying to speak for anyone else.

Lindz928 09-12-2005 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ASUADPi
Other than him being Pro-life why do you support him?
I am a Bush supporter and this is actually one of the main areas that I DO NOT support him in. Just thought I would throw that in there.

Rudey, I think you make very good points.

Quote:

He was speaking for himself and for the Bush voters out there. I don't think he was trying to speak for anyone else.
Absolutely.

Lindz928 09-12-2005 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I personally think my dog is a better option.
:rolleyes:

BobbyTheDon 09-12-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Since you think your dog is a better option than the President of the United States, do you personally think that your dog maybe reads better than you do?

-Rudey

Dude if Airbud can play basketball anything is possible.

If her dog is really smarter than Bush, then I will assinate that k-9 for all its worth.

can you imagine the press conference?

"President Dog, why do you continue to send troops to Iraq?"

president dog, " RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF!! RRRRRRRRRUFF :mad: . and furthermore RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF!!!!!!!!! "

"President Dog, if you can say 'and furthermore' why did you continue to speak in Dog? Why not finish in normal talk"

president dog, " RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF! RUFF YOU, you MOTHERFUFFER! I will Ruffin RUFF you UP!"

*president dog runs over and attacks the reporter, but not before it humps Clintons leg. President Dog finally stops humping once John Kerry rubs President Dogs stomach.*

Rudey 09-12-2005 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BobbyTheDon
Dude if Airbud can play basketball anything is possible.

If her dog is really smarter than Bush, then I will assinate that k-9 for all its worth.

can you imagine the press conference?

"President Dog, why do you continue to send troops to Iraq?"

president dog, " RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF!! RRRRRRRRRUFF :mad: . and furthermore RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF!!!!!!!!! "

"President Dog, if you can say 'and furthermore' why did you continue to speak in Dog? Why not finish in normal talk"

president dog, " RUFF RUFF RUFF RUFF! RUFF YOU, you MOTHERFUFFER! I will Ruffin RUFF you UP!"

*president dog runs over and attacks the reporter, but not before it humps Clintons leg. President Dog finally stops humping once John Kerry rubs President Dogs stomach.*

Yes and after being President, this dog will be a moderator of the News & Politics forum.

-Rudey
--He will shine

Rudey 09-12-2005 01:49 PM

Since you think your dog is a better option than the President of the United States, do you personally think that your dog maybe reads better than you do?

-Rudey

Rudey 09-12-2005 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Since you think your dog is a better option than the President of the United States, do you personally think that your dog maybe reads better than you do?

-Rudey

Since you think your dog is a better option than the President of the United States, do you personally think that your dog maybe reads better than you do?

-Rudey

BobbyTheDon 09-12-2005 01:53 PM

Since you think your dog is a better option than the President of the United States, do you personally think that your dog maybe reads better than you do?

-Rudey

sugar and spice 09-12-2005 02:11 PM

I guess that these claims that "Bush was the best person to do the job" and "He is the only candidate I could have faith in" are sort of non-answers to me. WHY was he the best person to do the job? Was he the most intelligent? The best informed? The most capable? The most rational decision-maker? Why was he the only candidate you could put your faith in? Because you shared similar religious beliefs? Because you shared similar moral beliefs?

"He was the best candidate" is a valid reason to vote for someone, but it's not answering the question that people are asking.

Kevin 09-12-2005 02:16 PM

Compared to Kerry who appeared more to be a product completely made up of marketing and hype, Bush appeared to at least have the ability to make his own decisions, be predictable on issues, show some consistant leaning on issues, etc.

The reason a lot of us voted for Bush was because Kerry was running against him. Should it have been some better qualified challenger, I don't know if we'd be into the second term.

Democrats need to not be stupid and vote for a candidate in the primary because they have "momentum" which is exactly what seemed to propel Kerry to the finish line.

Not surprising though when you consider some of them would favor a dog to a human for the office... Especially if said dog had momentum.

Rudey 09-12-2005 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
Compared to Kerry who appeared more to be a product completely made up of marketing and hype, Bush appeared to at least have the ability to make his own decisions, be predictable on issues, show some consistant leaning on issues, etc.

The reason a lot of us voted for Bush was because Kerry was running against him. Should it have been some better qualified challenger, I don't know if we'd be into the second term.

Democrats need to not be stupid and vote for a candidate in the primary because they have "momentum" which is exactly what seemed to propel Kerry to the finish line.

Not surprising though when you consider some of them would favor a dog to a human for the office... Especially if said dog had momentum.

Enough Democrat analysts and political machines have responded to that loss that it provides for good reading material to anyone who wants to pretend they understand politics.

-Rudey

ASUADPi 09-12-2005 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
Actually President Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.
Thanks!

Told you I couldn't remember. The whole Monica thing was such a "center" profile during the whole impeachment trial.

KSigkid 09-12-2005 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I guess that these claims that "Bush was the best person to do the job" and "He is the only candidate I could have faith in" are sort of non-answers to me. WHY was he the best person to do the job? Was he the most intelligent? The best informed? The most capable? The most rational decision-maker? Why was he the only candidate you could put your faith in? Because you shared similar religious beliefs? Because you shared similar moral beliefs?

"He was the best candidate" is a valid reason to vote for someone, but it's not answering the question that people are asking.

For me, I felt much more comfortable with Bush running the country than I did with Kerry. I didn't like Kerry's senatorial record to this point, and wouldn't vote for him for that post, let alone for President.

I didn't agree with him on every issue, but I felt Bush was more capable than Kerry or any of the other candidates.

Rudey 09-12-2005 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
For me, I felt much more comfortable with Bush running the country than I did with Kerry. I didn't like Kerry's senatorial record to this point, and wouldn't vote for him for that post, let alone for President.

I didn't agree with him on every issue, but I felt Bush was more capable than Kerry or any of the other candidates.

I think I voted for him because I didn't like his wife or the fact that he did so well in French class.

-Rudey

ASUADPi 09-12-2005 02:32 PM

Okay all I did was ask you Bush supporters to tell me why you still support him. That's it!!!

I didn't ask you to go off and say that democrats are stupid!!!

And Rudey, I did know that the whole impeachment wasn't because he had sex with Monica. If you read my post I said that I couldn't remember the exact reasons for it and it had to do with Whitewater and that IMPO I thought they were using the sex thing as an issue.



I'm not asking you to agree with me I'm asking that you respect that it is mine.


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