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The1calledTKE 08-31-2005 10:26 AM

Atlanta Gas Scare
 
ATLANTA — Metro Atlanta drivers are facing the possibility of paying considerably more than $3 a gallon for gas by Labor Day — if they can get it at all.

The two pipelines that bring gasoline and jet fuel to the region are down — powerless to pump as Hurricane Katrina wreaked havoc on electrical infrastructure.

The metro Atlanta region generally has about a 10-day supply of gasoline in inventory, said BP spokesman Michael Kumpf. The pipelines have been down for two days.

Alpharetta, Ga.-based Colonial Pipeline Co., cut off from its suppliers on the Gulf Coast, is now pumping gas from huge storage tanks, many in Powder Springs, Ga. Whether electric power can be restored to the pipeline pumps before supplies run out is "the great uncertainty ... that hangs over all of us," said Daniel Moenter, a spokesman for Marathon Ashland Petroleum, a major supplier of metro Atlanta's fuel.

Some suppliers are rationing gasoline to retailers, so some stations may already be near empty.

With supplies uncertain, oil companies and larger wholesalers are ratcheting up prices, partly to slow demand. Some local wholesalers already are paying 65 to 80 cents per gallon more than they paid three days ago. That kind of price increase will hit the pumps within a few days.


for full article...
http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/cont...NA_GA_GAS.html

PM_Mama00 08-31-2005 11:36 AM

Um, scare? In Michigan yesterday it was already $2.99 a gallon and rising. And we usually are pretty cheap around here.

The1calledTKE 08-31-2005 11:42 AM

I just filled up with gas at $2.69 a gallon. It was $2.49 before Katrina. I passed a couple stations that jacked the price up to $3.25 for regular already. The gas scare is taking ahold already I guess. I won't drive much until the gas supply to Atlanta is fixed. If I just drive home to work I probably can get by with not having to fill up for 3 to 4 weeks if need be. Hopefully the supply would be fixed by then.

mightymike 08-31-2005 01:27 PM

There were some people talking in my office building that 87 octane in Charlotte just hit $2.99 in some places.

ZTAngel 08-31-2005 01:44 PM

I purposely filled up yesterday even though I still had 3/4 a tank left. It was $2.69 when I filled up yesterday and it was still at that this morning when I drove by that gas station. I wonder what it will be when I drive past it on my way home today.

I really feel bad for a friend of mine who's driving up from Orlando this weekend!!!

ETA:
I'll bet the gas shortage problem Atlanta is facing is probably the same in most of the Southeast. I'd imagine that most of the Southeast gets their gas/oil from the New Orleans pipelines.

CrimsonTide4 08-31-2005 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mightymike
There were some people talking in my office building that 87 octane in Charlotte just hit $2.99 in some places.
I was just out at lunch in Charlotte and saw gas for the premium for $2.99 at quite a few places. :(

I filled up for $2.36 unleaded in Gaffney on Sunday.

ZTAngel 08-31-2005 02:00 PM

This should hopefully help....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/na...gewanted=print
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The New York Times
August 31, 2005
U.S. Decision to Release Oil Sends Prices Below $70
By VIKAS BAJAJ

The Energy Department said this morning that it would release oil from the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve to keep refineries supplied, prompting a drop in crude oil prices, the first decrease since Hurricane Katrina slammed ashore on Monday and severely disrupted the energy infrastructure along the gulf.

Energy secretary, Samuel Bodman, said the decision to release the crude oil was made Tuesday night after an oil refiner asked to borrow from the 700-million barrel reserve. The government did not disclose the name of the company that made the request or say how much oil it would release.

The price for crude oil for October delivery on the New York Mercantile Exchange was down 41 cents a barrel, to $69.40.

"The department continues to review other requests as they come in," Mr. Bodman said in a statement. "This administration has been clear that SPR is a national asset that can be used in times of supply disruption, like a natural disaster."

The announcement came as President Bush returned to Washington today, two days ahead of schedule, to manage the Federal response to the storm, amid expectations that he would try to visit the devastated regions in the next few days.

The hurricane has shut down the vast majority of oil and natural gas production in the gulf and severely hampered refineries all along the coast. Energy analysts and local officials have said flooding and the lack of power will make it difficult for the industry to resume regular operations for a week to 10 days at the very least.

Energy analysts said that while releasing oil from the reserve would help, it may do little to increase the supply of gasoline in the short run because it would take refiners at least another week and some even longer to start processing crude oil again. The government has said at least nine refineries in the gulf coast have been completely shut down and several others have reduced their production.

"All of the crude in the world does not turn the crude into product, it still has to be refined," said Thomas Bentz, an energy analyst at BNP Paribas in New York. "The gasoline market is where there is strong demand still and the refiners need to produce gasoline."

Wholesale gasoline prices, which climbed for the third straight day, were up 17.55 cents a gallon, to $2.650. Since the hurricane came ashore, prices have risen more than 37.5 percent. The national retail average gasoline price was $2.619 a gallon today, up from $2.604 on Tuesday and $2.284 a month ago, according to the American Automobile Association.

The increase in gas prices comes less than a week before the three-day Labor Day weekend when many Americans take their last summer road trips and vacations before the end of the summer.

Highlighting the challenges refiners face, Valero Energy said Tuesday evening that a small crew was working to bail water out of its St. Charles refinery about 25 miles west of downtown New Orleans. The facility still does not have power and the company has not been able to get employees to the site, because officials are discouraging people from returning to hurricane-affected areas. Before the refinery shut down, it processed 185,000 barrels of oil a day.

The lack of power could also hamper or delay the release of oil from the oil reserve. Speaking on CNN, Mr. Bodman said there were two major pipelines that can deliver oil to the refiners, but that both still lacked power. "We are now working with both companies," he said, "to get these lines up and functioning."

Releasing oil from the reserve is a "good first step," because it tells investors and the market that the government is available to help ease energy constraints, said Lawrence Goldstein, president of the Petroleum Industry Research Foundation. "It's probably more psychological than physical but it's an important step. It breaks down the mindset that you are on your own."

Until today, the Bush administration has been reluctant to use the reserve, lest it appear to be acting politically. The last time officials released oil was after Hurricane Ivan destroyed underwater oil and gas pipelines and other infrastructure last year, but they have resisted calls from Democrats and others to release oil to bring down prices.

"Bodman redefined for the administration, at least for this time and maybe it's a unique situation, that this is exactly why we have the reserve," Mr. Goldstein said.

A loan from the petroleum reserve must start as a request from an energy company to the government. Companies agree to replace all the oil they take from the reserve at a later date.

Mr. Goldstein said consumers were not likely to feel a benefit from the release right away, because demand for gasoline was so strong and refining capacity was already stretched. Also, pipelines that bring refined gasoline from the Gulf Coast area to the Northeast are not operating because powerfailures.

"There is going to be pain long after because we were already short," he said. "This pushed a very, very tight situation over the line. While we can ameliorate pain, we cannot eliminate it."

jubilance1922 08-31-2005 03:15 PM

I live across the street from a bp, and the gas is currently $2.48. Needless to say, it has been VERY busy...

For those that live in Atlanta, that station is the one on Cobb Parkway a block from Cumberland Blvd.

Xylochick216 08-31-2005 03:33 PM

I filled up for $2.34 yesterday. It was $2.52 when I left for work at 3AM this morning, and on the way home (around 1 PM) it was $2.81. Oy.

PM_Mama00 08-31-2005 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZTAngel
I purposely filled up yesterday even though I still had 3/4 a tank left. It was $2.69 when I filled up yesterday and it was still at that this morning when I drove by that gas station. I wonder what it will be when I drive past it on my way home today.

I really feel bad for a friend of mine who's driving up from Orlando this weekend!!!

ETA:
I'll bet the gas shortage problem Atlanta is facing is probably the same in most of the Southeast. I'd imagine that most of the Southeast gets their gas/oil from the New Orleans pipelines.

I did the same thing and filled up earlier Monday morning at 2.60something- don't remember... a few hours later it jumped to the 2.99 mark. I haven't been out of the house today- don't really feel like driving- so I duno what it's like now.

Michigan is also affected by the same shortage as Atlanta, because we get ours from the same refineries down there. (so says the news... I know nothing about this kinda stuff) We'll be feeling the pain along iwth you guys.

HBADPi 08-31-2005 04:05 PM

Experts: $4 a gallon gas coming soon

:(

carnation 08-31-2005 05:04 PM

Our governor (GA) just got on the radio and said cut the crap everybody, most of our gas comes throught the Port of Savannah and has nothing to do with the Gulf. But the lines, coming through town, were backed waayyy up and the price went up 40 cents a gallon while I was in line.

The1calledTKE 08-31-2005 05:09 PM

Lines are now about 1/2 mile long at some stations. Some stations are now out of gas. On the radio they said there have been 2 shootings at gas stations across Atlanta.

ZTAngel 08-31-2005 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I live across the street from a bp, and the gas is currently $2.48. Needless to say, it has been VERY busy...

For those that live in Atlanta, that station is the one on Cobb Parkway a block from Cumberland Blvd.

Oooh, that's right by my house. Thanks for the info!

ETA:

I'm never going to get to leave work today. I'm looking out my office window and I can see that 14th street, Peachtree, Spring St and West Peachtree are completely backed up because everyone is trying to get into the gas station on Williams & 14th St. And gas is always expensive at that station- shortage or no shortage!

This is really bad....

CrimsonTide4 08-31-2005 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Lines are now about 1/2 mile long at some stations. Some stations are now out of gas. On the radio they said there have been 2 shootings at gas stations across Atlanta.
Oh damn. :( They have closed some stations here in Charlotte as well because there is no gas.

jubilance1922 08-31-2005 05:49 PM

I have now heard that gas is now $5.20 a gallon at a station in Morrow...

Price gouging is now in effect...I thought that was illegal?

My mom said gas is $3.19 in Lansing, MI...she was on 3/4 a tank and took $15 to fill up her tank! :eek:

Remember the good old days when gas was $0.99?

squirrely girl 08-31-2005 06:09 PM

this morning it was 2.99/gal in bowling green, ky. not sure about what it is now though.

- marissa

WCUgirl 08-31-2005 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Oh damn. :( They have closed some stations here in Charlotte as well because there is no gas.
I watched the price increase as I was stuck in the right hand lane on Fairview across from the mall -- the lines were six cars deep to get into that Petro Express. I watched the dude changing the prices from $2.89/2.94/2.99 to $2.99 across the board, though I'm sure he was going to change the other two. The BP and Shell across the street were at $2.99/3.09/3.19.

The next Shell station was on my home down Carmel -- there were 30+ cars in line to get into the station, and their prices were $3.05/3.15/3.25.

So, I thought that since I'm sitting at half a tank, perhaps I should jump in on this since the price might go up another 10 cents in an hour or we could run out. My next station was the Exxon at Carmel and 51...their sign still said $2.89. No traffic! I started to pull in and realized that every pump was closed.

ETA: Just heard on the local news -- what Charlotte has now has to last until Saturday. Because of the pipeline shut-down, we will get no deliveries until then. :(

Guess our trip to FL this weekend is off.

WCUgirl 08-31-2005 06:28 PM

I'm double-posting to bring you this article from the Charlotte Observer.

Posted on Wed, Aug. 31, 2005

Gas shortages possible this weekend

Supplies near empty with no replacements in sight

ANDREW SHAIN AND RICH RUBIN

The Charlotte Observer

Charlotte's gasoline supplies are dwindling, and gas station owners and pipeline operators tell the Observer that shortages could accelerate this weekend.

The two pipelines that supply a vast majority of the region's fuel have been shut down since Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf coast Monday. Now, distributors say supplies are near empty with no replacements in sight.

Motorists will likely see stations run out of regular gas or in some cases all grades.

Pipeline operators hope to restart partial deliveries by the weekend though gas could take a week or two to arrive in Charlotte.

Facing the potential gasoline shortage, local officials are dramatically cutting back their use of cars and discouraging residents from driving.

Charlotte city officials announced Wednesday they are limiting tree-trimming and cutting back on airport employees' take-home cars. Police cars will park at crime hot spots, instead of idling.

Mecklenburg County Manager Harry Jones said essential functions requiring cars would be a priority, including sheriff's deputies and some social-services workers.

Mayor Pat McCrory urged citizens to walk, ride bicycles or use buses if possible.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools buses will run as usual this week. CMS, which pumps 20,000 gallons of diesel fuel into its bus fleet each school day, has enough to keep the fleet running into next week.

District officials will monitor supplies and restrict driving for school maintenance to save fuel.

In a press conference, Gov. Mike Easley asked North Carolinians to conserve fuel and said all non-essential state travel would be stopped. "I'm not asking anybody to panic," said Gov. Mike Easley. "If I find out we need to panic, I'll come back and tell you tomorrow."

moe.ron 08-31-2005 06:30 PM

Petrol prices in South Africa is going up to R6. Still much cheaper then the US ($1 = R6.5), but if you factor in living cost, it's going to effect a lot of people.

AGDLynn 08-31-2005 06:34 PM

It's over $4 in Atlanta...the radio said one station is $6!!!!:mad:

Laughed at the new Hummer with dealer drive outplates!:D

aephi alum 08-31-2005 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by moe.ron
Petrol prices in South Africa is going up to R6. Still much cheaper then the US ($1 = R6.5), but if you factor in living cost, it's going to effect a lot of people.
Is that per gallon or per liter?

Rio_Kohitsuji 08-31-2005 06:56 PM

In my very small town it's $3.43 a gallon :(

AUDeltaGam 08-31-2005 07:10 PM

My parents live in the metro Atlanta area, and my mom said premuim is around $3.30 a gallon. My dad said there are lines everywhere for gas stations.

I live in Knoxville, and while regular gas was $3.09 a gallon, I had no problem filling up. There are no lines here.

moe.ron 08-31-2005 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aephi alum
Is that per gallon or per liter?
Litre

CrimsonTide4 08-31-2005 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXiD670
I watched the price increase as I was stuck in the right hand lane on Fairview across from the mall -- the lines were six cars deep to get into that Petro Express. I watched the dude changing the prices from $2.89/2.94/2.99 to $2.99 across the board, though I'm sure he was going to change the other two. The BP and Shell across the street were at $2.99/3.09/3.19.

Every gas station I passed on the way home: Tyvola, Wilkinson, and Independence were full with lines to the streets.

Do you know the BJs on Independence? You know how far it sits away from the road, there was a line in the surrounding parking lot and out to the street of cars. That gas is $2.77/gallon.

ambición6 08-31-2005 07:56 PM

$3.65 in one gas station here in Chicago by my house (regular gas mind you)......

(so glad we didnt buy that SUV)

CUGreekgirl 08-31-2005 09:02 PM

I took my Bronco (which only gets 10mpg) and filled up on Sunday when I heard gas prices were most likely going to rise. It was $2.51 for unleaded then.

Today when I left the house it was $2.99 for unleaded. When I came back 2 hrs later it was $3.30. When I left again an hour later they were changing the sign again.

EVERY gas station has lines at least 10 or 20 cars long. They even had police at some stations keeping people calm and directing traffic. (I live in SE Georgia)

Sister Havana 08-31-2005 09:12 PM

Monday I went and topped off my gas tank at $2.69. Today that station is selling gas for $2.99, according to Chicagogasprices.com.

Yesterday the three gas stations by my house were $2.73-$2.75. Today those stations are up to $3.26/gallon. This is all for REGULAR, mind you. :eek:

AGDee 08-31-2005 10:21 PM

$3.19 today at the closest station to my house. I think I'll top it off in the morning. So far, no lines, no panic here, but I think it will come! Michigan's governor is also requesting permission from the EPA to use lower standard gas than required right now (I think the requirement changes after Labor Day anyway).

Might need to talk to that co-worker of mine who lives near me about car pooling next week or something.

Dee

Happy Happy Happy that I have a Cavalier!

ADqtPiMel 08-31-2005 10:25 PM

$3.09 here and I don't think too many people have even noticed. Most students rarely drive. I'm rethinking driving home this weekend. :(

RioLambdaAlum 08-31-2005 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rio_Kohitsuji
In my very small town it's $3.43 a gallon :(
OMG Kayla that is insane! So a roadtrip come Nov. for homecoming might cost as much as a hotel! GEESHHHHH!!

Okay so gas here this morning was reading $3.09 for the basic stuff.

starang21 08-31-2005 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
Um, scare? In Michigan yesterday it was already $2.99 a gallon and rising. And we usually are pretty cheap around here.
i think he's referring to the whole pumps closing scare.

ADPiAkron 08-31-2005 11:07 PM

It was $2.99 almost everywhere on my way home at 5pm- so who knows what it is now!! My friend saw $3.26 on her way home!! This is in the Akron, Ohio area.

PhiMuLady150 08-31-2005 11:42 PM

$3.06 for cheap here and $3.50 for high-end. Most of the smaller stations closed by 3:30pm today because they were out. I don't midn the higher gas prices as it has been $5.00-$6.00 per gallon in other countries for years and I feel lucky that I still have a house to go home too. Sorry if this sounds bitter, but I dealt with way too many costumers today who didn't seem to realize how lucky they were and I had the heartening experience of meeting several people who are in Western NC seeking refuge and have no idea when they can go back home.

JenMarie 09-01-2005 01:13 AM

Surprisingly, I haven't seen it quite reach over $3/gallon here. It's at $2.99 in some places... but not quite 3. You can still get gas for $2.80 at the cheap places.

Of course, this could all change by tomorrow morning.

Tickled Pink 2 09-01-2005 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mightymike
There were some people talking in my office building that 87 octane in Charlotte just hit $2.99 in some places.
Yep. The lines were crazy.

WhiteDaisy128 09-01-2005 07:06 AM

They have closed the gas lines in North Carolina. No gas will be coming in until next Tuesday. What little there was here in Raleigh is gone.

AOIIBrandi 09-01-2005 08:45 AM

Most gas stations in ATL are out of gas even in the FAR northern suburbs (Forsyth County for those who live here).

I was lucky and paid 3.11 for premium yesterday after work (that's all they had left), but my husband paid 3.29 for regular near the airport. I have seen prices at 4.79 and 4.99 in the metro area.

WCUgirl 09-01-2005 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Price gouging is now in effect...I thought that was illegal?
I know that here in NC, it's not illegal until it's done after the Governor has declared a state of disaster.


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