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Bad Press...
I have mixed emotions on this, but would love to hear other's opinions...
This article was published in the NCSU's Newspaper, The Technician: http://www.technicianonline.com/story.php?id=012007 Quote:
The campus is TOTALLY split now. Local press is all over it too. What do you think about the column? What would you have done in reaction? Anyone else have something like this happen on your campus? For LONG LONG reading (as if all of this was not enough), check out this thread on an NCSU message board to see the general population's reaction: http://www.brentroad.com/message_top...x?topic=344528 |
One of the most valuable lessons in life is learning to be comfortable with oneself.
The thing is, if you're comfortable with yourself, you don't need to bitch about how other people are insecure and basically mindless drones conforming to some BS standard. This article is full of generalities and has no evidence to back them up -- it's pretty much the brain vomit of an author who is pretending to be cool and better than the lowly sorority women but in reality is just as judgmental and shallow as he claims the sorority women are. Why does anyone even bother paying attention to something so stupid and lacking in substance? |
Also, do you know where I could find a picture of the author? I'd like to write a little article about him.
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The term "fluff piece" comes to mind when reading this. It's a trite regurgatation of most sorority myths, and unfortunately, the author thinks he's serious.
Well, I guess he is - seriously deluded, that is! |
I don't really care how he feels about sororities, but I'm surprised that the editorial staff didn't help him fix his writing. There were some truly wince-worthy phrases in the article, like "in all actuality." Perhaps the Bulwer-Lytton contest could be a good opportunity for him. http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/
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Personally I was always tought that if someone offends me with the blatent intent on doing so, then the fault is with that person, and not with me. I just let stuff like that roll right off my back. There's no reason to let it bother me to read that because I know that I went through every day of rush (bar pref night) wearing men's cargo pants. Haha. And I still shop at the thrift store! But I can wear my letters with pride knowing that I adhere to all of our ideals in the most serious of manners.
Yes, the artical was distasteful, but PNMs can make their own decisions about whether it's true or not, and with such a flagrent attempt to slander GLOs, it's really no big deal. That's just my opinion though. Thanks for listening. |
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What bothers me about the second article is that it says that the girls couldn't comment on it because they were "silenced by their national organization." I feel that putting it in those exact words only gives the anti-Greeks more to talk about.
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The writing is horrible, he sounds bitter to me personally but he has the right to air his opinion (although the timing before rush is poor). I do think the rally response was a bit over the top. Why give him more attention?
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Most of you are much too nice. This is typlical hippy liberal gibberish, designed to hurt and timed to do the most damage. You can bet that the little leftist journalists are high-fiving over the response. Your response should be that while everyone is entitled to express their opinion, the student-funded (I assume) paper is not free to attack for the sake of deliberately doing damage to legitimate student organizations.
If it were me, I would organize all Greeks and immediately withdraw all advertising form the paper. All of it, dead stop. I would use Greek influence in student government to do the same. I would start my own publication which caters to my market, and I would send people to visit each and every advertiser in the leftist paper to let them know that they now have the unique opportunity to focus on that very same upscale market that the pinkos make fun of. Money talks. Money makes the advertisers sit up and take notice. You are NOT obligated to sit still and stand for deliberate, vicious attacks on your character. It does no good to "meet with the student journalists and establish a dialogue." They don't like us; in fact they hate us. And they hate us becuase of who we are and who they are. Trust me, you can fight back and you can win. You can put them out of business. And if you think that's too harsh, think again. They'd put you out of business in a hearbeat if they could. |
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That hardly qualifies as typical hippy liberal gibberish. Since when are hippies so hateful, anyway? |
I'm a hippie and I'm pretty damn hateful.
Also, I was going to be nice but his article made me mad so I'll go ahead and say it: Dude appears to be mildly cross-eyed. |
The Stater (Kent's student newspaper) prints crap like this ALL the time. Though it is oddly most directed toward fraternities. The only time greeks get positive press in the Stater is when the story is covered by a Greek. It's so sad that so many student writers are anti-Greek. I wonder what we ever did to them to make them that way. I suppose there are always going to be people who shun groups that are not open membership.
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DO TWIT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? :rolleyes:
Why do school papers think they get get away with the same thing as the grocery store rags? Who is the Advisor of the crap. He should be banned. If they think it is funny, wait tell a Lawyer, Yes a Lawyer knocks on the door! They are Ijiots and should be treated as such!:mad: |
It would be nice to change the images...but honestly, how many greeks out there would stick such a change through?
On my campus they have the initial reaction and that lasts for like a week, and then they get bored and forget about it. I think we could easily change the stereotypes, or at least show what we are really about, but most greeks don't have the desire to really follow through with it. Too much energy that they could spend doing something else....like making shirts or something. |
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Word. Now, to be honest, I don't have a huge problem with much of what's said in this article. I agree absolutely that there are many sorority women out there who throw themselves into Greek culture to mask their insecurities. Where I think the problem lies is the fact that the author feels so superior to these women. We all have our ways of dealing with our insecurities that may not be so healthy . . . like, oh, writing columns bashing others in our student newspapers? Also, his insinuation that just because someone is attractive and well-dressed, they must be insecure? Is silly and misguided. I'm surprised that the sorority women got so upset about this -- to me, it's not worth getting upset over. However, I'm happy that they're out there doing something to counteract this rather than just being complacent about the whole deal. And Firehouse, the writer of the article is a conservative, not a liberal. |
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1) That doesn't mean he's a member 2) That doesn't mean he's a conservative. -- No party is really conservative anymore. This article doesn't give me a clue either way to the fella's political leanings other than that he's a tool. |
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Junior chemistry major Daniel Underwood says all of his science classes teach atheistic assumptions about the origin of life and the universe, but nothing about a divine creator. However, Underwood says that is just one aspect of the pervasive anti-Christian bias on display at NC State. "There's a marginalization of anyone who holds any sort of religious views firmly," says Underwood, who is a born-again Christian.
He recalls an incident last semester in which a professor asked a guest speaker not to mention the name of "Jesus" while addressing his "Social Deviance" class. Professor Robert Stone, the student says, made the request after ex-convict John Kinlaw told the class that his life had dramatically changed after he abandoned a life of crime to follow Jesus Christ. Underwood, who wrote a column about the incident for the student newspaper, believes that Stone -- like many others on campus -- is uncomfortable with born-again Christians. "This particular professor had his own animosity toward Christianity in particular," Underwood says, "but I think generally speaking, professors and teaching faculty are much more embracing of any religion other than Christianity -- and particularly, Islam." In fact, Underwood believes if Kinlaw had said his life changed dramatically because he began praying to Allah, Stone would not have censored him. In writing the column, the junior says he wanted to warn his fellow students about what is happening on campus. "I really wanted to stress to the students that they should be on guard against this, and try to take notice when their teachers may be doing things similar to what [Professor Stone] did," he says. |
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Valkyrie, you seem to be right, and I appear to be completely wrong.
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LOL that's cool. This is fun. Here are more words of wisdom:
Just when I thought the liberal Democrats could not get any worse, they manage to surprise me. Instead of simply being led by sheer raving lunatics, attracting all sorts of anti-American lowlifes as constituents, and just generally being opposed to America's self-interests, they have achieved a new low -- they are now the proud owners of a one Sen. Dick Durbin. Yes, the democratic senator from Illinois, Durbin, has finally come out and said exactly what the Democratic Party has been poised to say for a long time now: Sen. Durbin admitted his hatred for America's armed forces -- you know, the guys that kind of keep people like Durbin from being beheaded by savage Islamofascist terrorists? |
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(I go to a Catholic school, so I know.) |
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THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID? It needed to be said that sorority women are mindless prostitutes and Stepford wives??? Somehow I don't think that's as important as covering stories on your campus finances and other things that NEED to be said. No one NEEDED to say that. and the only positive change I can see coming from this article is that this Underwood fellow realizes that his articles are poorly written and pointless (journalism major here) and smack of misogyny and racism as well as a pandering disreguard for the viewpoints of others. He screams that he wants people to accept this Christian point of view that he has...but refuses to be as accepting of other viewpoints (somehow that seems...uh...UnChristian to me). |
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And I would have rallied as well. Hell, I probably would have rallied earlier with some of his articles (which, as pointed out earlier, lack depth, insight, and are clearly writted according to his personal opnion). Another part of me is almost numb to this kind of editorial because we've all seen similar articles before. But good for a campus for finally doing something about it. |
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Okay, you have certainly made your case though. This guy is a moron. I would agree on the point that he is certainly a fundamentalist christian wacko, borderline facist, etc., but conservative... those are fightin' words. ;) All hail valkyrie's detective work. |
I'm still trying to figure out where Islam fits into his argument. Sounds like he's trying to find a boogey man.
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Someone really needs to pull a Fred Durst on this dude and put pictures of his penis on the intraweb.
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But he's a student journalist. Student journalists write stories with angles that no one has ever thought of before!!!! Student journalists know everything!
Even when he is speaking in generalities, you should never, never question a student journalist. He's very experienced in life and philosophy. Shame on you all. His words were so original and throught-provoking! We should sit at his feet, looking up admiringly and soaking in his words of wisdom. /sarcasm |
I think this guy should expect to be criticized for writing this article. Obviously his writing skills are poor, and the content is unresearched and inflammatory. But why the criticism for being a Christian or a conservative?
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Editor-in-chief Greek
From the second article Protest storms Harris Field
Posted: 08.30.2005 --- Rebecca Heslin, Technician's editor-in-chief, said with this recent column, there was a lot of discussion on campus and Technician received both positive and negative feedback. ...and further down... The first Greek male member to address the crowd was Jeff Skalka, president of the Interfraternity Council. "It's a shame we had to come out because of these circumstances," Skalka said. Pointing out that Heslin, a member of Zeta Tau Alpha , wore sunglasses similar to the ones described in Underwood's column, Skalka said the images of sorority women did not determine their character. Skalka, like Anderson and Babb, also harped on the community service hours put in by NCSU sorority members in addition to other positives of the Greek community. Heslin said prior to the protest, she was curious if organizers would give her the opportunity to speak, not only as the editor of Technician but also as a sorority member. "As editor-in-chief, I accept the role of being held responsible for everything that's published in the newspaper," Heslin said. "I almost expected more of a chance to voice my opinion... I was not expecting to be called out." |
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Facebook's "Fratdaddies and sorostitutes"
Also from the second article.
Monday afternoon, Heslin [editor of Technician and a sorority member] visited Greek Life with a list of members from a Thefacebook.com group entitled "Fratdaddies and sorostitutes." The list included approximately 49 sorority and fraternity members from NCSU, a number which has dwindled severely since Monday. Skalka [president of the Interfraternity Council] publicly abhorred the groups and said that these group members encouraged stereotypes of Greek Life. He said all Greek Life members should "get out of that or get out of Greek Life." |
Re: Facebook's "Fratdaddies and sorostitutes"
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Don't people realize that those groups are jokes? |
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