Legacy concern @ Nebraska
 

I don't think this can be the case, but a mother whose daughter went through Rush at Nebraska says that if you are a legacy and that house "cuts" you, then the other houses put up a "red flag." The other houses know that a PNM's legacy house "cut" and then they become concerned about the PNM too. Does each house have the information about cuts, invites, declines, etc.? I started to tell someone that I didn't think that was the case, but then I decided I should check before I say something???

i don't remember getting the lists of invites from the other chapters too. i am sure that chapters have ways of finding out, for example, if the pnm says something at a party.

When I was Recruitment Information Mgr., I don't recall getting this type of information. It may vary from school to school, but I know that we never received this type of specific information. If we would've received this type of information, I'm not sure that it would've raised a "red flag". I think that we would've used our own judgement based upon her application and recs.

Invitation lists, etc. are not shared from group to group. It's fairly common for some groups to cut a lot of legacies - very often there are more legacy PNMs than can fill an entire new member class at a single chapter, so there's no way a chapter can keep every single one, all the way through recruitment.

Not every campus does this, though. We always knew who was a legacy and from which group.

I have heard stories though about actives sharing information with actives in other sororities. For example, if Suzy Rushee is an XYZ legacy and she doesn't want to go XYZ, she better cut them fairly early because the other sororities will assume she is going XYZ and will cut her, saving slots for more promising rushees. I don't know of that happening on my campus, but have heard it happened on another one as a regular occurrence. (A campus where we didn't even have a chapter though.) One of my sisters was very concerned about this, as she was a legacy. I am no recruitment expert, but I am sure that violates a whole lot of rules.

We did too. I think it helped us alot in some cases. If Patty PNM is a triple legacy to ABC and she has a sitting sister there, it was something that we definately wanted to take into consideration. Of course we would never cut someone for this, but it IS nice to know if someone is highly likely to join their legacy house.

Yeah we always knew this too, it'd say what sorority the PNM was a legacy to and usually the chapter or school name. Several times I've had the PNM bring it up herself, when talking about the rush experience and how they're liking it some would mention that they're prepared b/c their mom was in a sorority or their sister was already in one at Mizzou. One time I had a girl on 16 party day tell me that she was a quadruple legacy to XYZ, and they had all been a part of the Mizzou chapter so she pretty much told me I didn't need to waste my time trying to rush her, she wasn't interested. She didn't even end up joining that chapter after ALL that and instead joined a chapter full of bitches, surprise surprise. ;)

we were always way too busy getting ready for the next days events to go anywhere where we might see someone from another house-even if we did we would not tell anyone who we released and who we invited back.

hehehe.

That isn't true on all campuses though. We knew exactly who was a legacy and where. Nothing was blacked out. We also knew who they went back to at each party. We knew exactly who they preffed. What we DIDN'T know though was whether or not the PNM cut them or they cut her. So we didn't make assumptions if she did not go back to her lagacy house. It's just as likely she cut them as vice versa.

Edited to say: We also didn't cut girls b/c they were legacies of other houses or whatever. If we loved them, we'd actually rush them harder to try to steel them! It was assumed however that if a current sister had a sibling/ family member going through recruitment that she was automatically "in". I never saw that challenged.

similar to GlitterKitty's post, we always knew who the legacies were and which chapter they were legacy to. however, legacies on our campus were seen as a challenge, it didn't matter where they were legacy to, chapters always tried harder to steal her away from the legacy chapter.

I know that Alpha Phi has something like 20+ legs and 8 are sisters of CURRENT actives so...I doubt released legs are red flagged by other chapters.

At my school we usually don't have many legacies (the most we've ever had was three at a time) and usually everyone knows what sorority a PNM is a legacy to. This past spring we had a girl go through recruitment who was on a sports team with several girls in one of the sororities on campus and was from the same time as one of them. Obviously she got very close to those girls, and when time came for recruitment, we all kind of "knew" that she was going to join that sorority. A girl from this sorority lived with a few of my sisters and told us that she wanted them and they definitely wanted her so that we wouldn't waste space on our bid list. We still invited her to pref and she came, but she ended up joining the sorority that everyone thought she would.

I understand not wanting to waste a preference spot on someone who is likely to end up elsewhere, but it's hard to make assumptions about someone's fit just because they have a blood sister somewhere.

When I was at school, I saw:

- a calm younger sister wisely avoid her wild older sister's (very strong) sorority in order to distance herself from the wild one's behavior and reputation

- a calm younger sister joing her crazy/wild older sister's sorority and be very happy because the sorority had changed so much in the 5 years in between

- a wild younger sister end up absolutely miserable in her prim, perfect older sister's "top 2" sorority (made everyone there miserable as well)

- two very different fraternal twin sisters both very happy in the same sorority

How does one sorority's cutting a girl makes any difference to other sororities, legacy or not? If you don't fit in at ASA, that has nothing to do with how you get along at AXO. We used to cut some truly A+ great girls because we knew they'd be miserable with us and much happier elsewhere.

Basic answer... It doesn't. Or at least, it SHOULDN'T. :)

At my university, PNM's indicate their legacy sororities on their recruitment application. One copy of the app goes to each sorority house, and the legacy information is blacked out on that copy if the PNM isn't a legacy to your sorority.

Human error does occur, and sometimes chapters learn who's a legacy because they got the wrong xerox.

Also, Panhellenic relations are very strong among the chapters. It is well known if an in-house or direct legacy is coming through.

The chapters observe silence at recruitment and don't communicate with the outside world. "Things" do happen, however-- perhaps an ABC and an XYZ are roommates and talk... or an XYZ legacy goes to the ABC party and reveals she was dropped by her legacy house.

While a PNM's invites should have no bearing on each other, it isn't a stretch to speculate that if a chaper dropped an in-house direct legacy and that becomes known to the other sororities ... that could lead to the assumption that she might be of questionable character... especially if her sister is still active at the chapter.

I think it is an entirely different story if the legacy drops her legacy house.

I can't recall us ever cutting a direct legacy. I do recall our chapter adviser's daughter being cut by ADPi when she attended her mother's university. It happens. Don't recall if she joined a sorority. I also remember a step-sister of a member being cut at our chapter. She wasn't technically a "legacy," however, because she was a step-sister. She had a competitive recruitment.

One of my chapter sisters was a direct in-house legacy. Her sister was well-liked and well-known in the Greek Community, and had many friends in other chapters. These friends loved her younger sister and were excited for her to go through recruitment. They were horrified when their chapters cut the sister in the first round-- so sure were those other sororities that the younger sister would join ADPi-- even though the PNM's intent had been the total opposite-- she did not want to join her sister's sorority. At prefs however, she realized she wanted ADPi and was literally crying at the idea of getting a bid anywhere else!

ETA- I don't think one chapter's cuts should bear weight on any other chapter's decisions in recruitment, but it all goes back to the human factor in the recruitment process.

I can't remember us doing this either. But I have to say that there were one or two times that we would have liked to. :(

I agree with loving to steal legacies from other chapters! At my school we had a fair amount of legacies, but definitely not a lot of them. One girl in my chapter was a triple legacy to another house and she pledged Chi-O...we loved her anyway, but it was awesome and an extra enjoyment to steal a triple-leg!

To address the other issue in this thread, I think it depends on the campus as to whether you would get cut for being a legacy to another house. At my school we looked at it as a positive attribute because the girl was familiar with greek life and would likely make a strong active member. However, if a girl had ever told me to "not bother rushing her" because she was a leg to another house I would have just probably stopped the conversation. And I'm not at all surprised that that biatch didn't receive a bid to her legacy house...she was probably thinking she had an automatic bid and was a biatch there too.;)

This may be a silly question, but I'm going to ask anyway! What is the difference between a direct legacy and an in-house legacy?

A *direct* legacy would follow the specific GLO's legacy policy. (i.e. sister, mother, grandmother etc.)

An *in-house* legacy means that the legacy (i.e. sister, mother, grandmother etc.) was a member of the specific chapter where the PNM is rushing.

Example: PNM Jane's mom is an ABC and was initiated into Big State U.'s XY chapter. This makes Jane a direct legacy to ABC regardless of the campus. Jane decides to attend Big State U. like her Momma. This makes Jane an *in-house* legacy to the XY chapter of ABC.

A chapter at my school only put their "in-house" legacies at the top of their bid lists, but it wasn't public knowledge. I don't know if it was because they had so many legacies go through rush each year -- or if they believed that their sister chapters weren't as good.

Either way, some women who were "direct legacies" went through pref there and were pretty surprised to open their bids and see that they didn't get that house.

When I was in school, it was thought that if you went through pref round and you were a legacy, you were basically guaranteed a bid. Not with this chapter!

My understading is that an in-house legacy means that your older sister is currently in the chapter you are rushing.

While I heard it the other way, this actually makes much more sense. That *in-house* means that there is a legacy currently a member of the chapter.

Perhaps the example I was given - a relative that was a member of the chapter (i.e. Mom) - should be refereed to as a *chapter* legacy.

Our chapter called it a "sitting sister" if a PNM had an active sister in a house. Maybe that would be more clear.

Sorry! I'm using UCF-speak. At my chapter, Direct would mean you're a legacy to that chapter specifically. In-house means your sister is still in the chapter. I apologize for the confusion!!! :)

Thanks for the clarification! :D

Just goes to show that individual chapters - at different campuses and of different GLOs - may differ.

We never did, but we certainly tried to cut a 5-generation legacy - we're talking the descendant of an Adelphean! She did NOT want to join any sorority, but was "forced" into rush. We were not permitted to cut her, though, so she pledged, got initiated at Convention, and transferred to another school.

The up side is that her roomie rushed with her, and was an AWESOME sister!!

This is how we refer to them here at Bama.

Legacy (generic term)- any Chapter of Initiation or GLO

Direct Legacy - Initiate of our Chapter, but usually we refer to them as an Eta Legacy (our ADPi Chapter designation) to avoid confusion

In-House Legacy - Sister is currently active, i.e. She's an in-house XYZ legacy (our campus) or she's an in-house XYZ legacy from State U.