Eddie Murphy
 

We have all heard about the impending divorce of Eddie Murphy but there are some troubling questions.

Supposedly, Eddie's wife says that she was just fronting for him to obscure his homosexuality and that she tired of doing so, especially after he allegedly got into a lovers' quarrell with Johnny Gill over Tevin Campbell.

Now, I knew that Tevin was gay, but Eddie and Johnny? What the hell is wrong with our Black men. Seemingly manly men, that Black women adore have a fondness for other male flesh. I'm disappointed but how does this make Black Women feel?

Eddie Murphy
Johnny Gill
Tyson Beckford
Darrin Dewitt Henson
Rockman Dunbar
Homo-Thugs
DL Brothers

Are all Black men under question now?

Tevin Campbell is GAY
:eek: :eek: I didn't know that.

I've known that Johnny Gill was gay for a long time. But to answer your question; it doesn't bother me if they are out of the closet. It is the DLs that tick me off--they are who cause the suspicion.

So all this time he wanted to Rub Me The Right Way in my MY MY MY dress you knew? :(


Soror Keisha, Tevin's been gay since the 90s. Remember he got caught in a similar Eddie Murphy situation.

Yes, he came here a few times to record at Flyte Tyme. He hit on a gay friend of mine.

Tyson Beckford? :(

I thought I heard that Eddie Murphy was gay...


My soror sent me this joke one time:

Q:Why is it that women can never find a sensitive, attractive, caring man?
A: Because they all have boyfriends:o

I feel you Soror Ladygreek, it's the DL men that work my nerves. But I REALLY didn't know Tevin Campbell was gay. I saw on the Wendy Williams show on VH1 when she talked to Tyson and he said he was not gay. But you never know he could be on the DL himself.

Yes, Tevin and Rasaahn Patterson just recently broke up.

excuse me dog

I question the VALIDITY of that list

how do YOU know all those men listed are GAY?

I have known abut Tevin since forever, but Rashaan Patterson...get out of here. Hadn't heard or known that one

I've seen Rashaan in concert a few times, and I've met him. His manerism says it all. He idolizes Chaka Khan...go figure.

why would you question all black men just from a list of a few

This homosexuality epedimic is getting too far out of hand! When will all the madness end. These people are gonna make GOD have to come down here and shut it down like he did sodom and gomorrah.

What did God tell the angels about the people in hell........................Back then the didnt want me now they hot they all on me!

If you're going to be all homophobic and bible thumpery, at least learn how to spell SODOM and GOMORRAH. :rolleyes:

Your wrong Im not homophobic! Refrain from calling names

"Cause you dont know me"....correct the spelling on that!

But you are right about the spelling error! Thanks for bringing that to my attention!

SO let me break it down so it can forever and consistently be BROKE!

And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar. Genesis 13:10

Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; Genesis 19:24

:D

Interesting. I just read an opinion piece by a minister that mentioned that there are 35 sins listed in the Bible. Are you free of all 35? I know I'm definitely not. Thus I try not to judge, lest I be judged.

Ladygreek, I believe that wearing braided hair and gold jewelry at the same time is listed as a sin in the Bible:

"In like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works" (see I Peter 3:3)

Wonder how many people are going to hell for that one?

Back to the original question - It makes me feel sad- :(

But why? I don't think that all black men are under question for this one issue, just like I don't think that all black men are under question because of the disproportionately high incarceration rates that occur among brothers.

Do you think brothers are (or should be) under question because of this?

Ladies, this post was not meant to be "homophobic" nor cast aspersions on all Black Males. My question is.... even as a masculine, women loving male, I view most of the suspects on the list as even more "virile" than myself. How is a Black woman to function or swoon over a supposed man, when even he, at his manly best, can still turn out to be a fruitbooty? I would find it troubling that any female that I was trying to hit on would even have to pause and consider that I may be a switch hitter or a down-low Brother. Ladies, do you scrutinize otherwise "manly" men any differently due to the exposing of "downlow" and "homo-thug" brothers? I know for myself that I scrutinize men who are overly mysogynistic a little more.

P.S.

As for the Bible-Thumping, we all have our opinions and there basis for them. Homosexuality is not listed as one of the 35 sins. It is an abomination, and yes there is a difference. But that wasn't the point of my post.

But see, this is what I don't get. If you're secure enough in yourself, then it shouldn't matter what anyone thinks of you, because you know the truth. :confused:

This isn't directed at you personally, but at any man who chooses to answer it: is your grasp on what constitutes "masculinity" so slippery that the simple act of someone questioning it poses a threat?

Please do not project and do not be troubled for me.. I am in no need of analysis and am very secure in my Manhood. My point is that if I were a woman, I would be very confused. There was a time when few things like this were unquestioned. A man was a man and those that messed with other men were easily identified.

I never questioned the sexuality of any of my peer group prior to this down low phenomena, but now I look at certain male behavior a little more closely for my female friends


Oh BTW, I do care greatly what others think of me in this way. I not only represent myself, but my family, its good name, my Fraternity, and my God. So when I represent myself in any of those capacities, people know that they are dealing with. I represent them all in a manner deemed worthy.

2ndly, I believe it is incumbent upon me to represent the best of Black Manhood because we as Black Men are swimming against a very strong tide of failure, low achievement and overall negativity. I try to represent the best of what Black Men have to offer at all times.

I guess the difference is that I don't think that "The best of black manhood" automatically means heterosexual.

ditto.

Why thank you! :)

And thank you! :D

Thank you. The DL guys are most annoying, particularly for somebody who is in her early 40s and is trying to figure out how to get back into dating. I don't want to potentially sign my own death warrant by having relations with a DL brother.

I'm not a homophobic by any means, but I just don't understand people who profess and claim to be Christian can justify being a homosexual when the Bible clearly states not only in the Old Testament but the New Testament as well that Homosexuality is an abomination towards God. Not only that, but it stops procreation, not saying that all people are suppose to procreate. But it goes against what God designed us as humans to be.

As it pertains to Black people, I am a little fed-up with the DL because black families are already on the decline. We already have to deal with absent Black males from the family. So this whole DL thing is just another way for Satan to kill the Black family. Look at it, over time there have been many ways whites, society and Satan have tried to destroy the Black family (i.e slavery). It is because essentially the families are going to produce some positivity in this nation. I said that to say this DL is causing more divorce, women are now suffering from low self-esteem, anxiety and HIV all because of this sin and abomination.

You may not like what I say, you don't have to agree with it. But ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free!!

SisterMadly and LadyGreek


I never wanted to turn this into a referendum on homosexuality or gay-bashing or Bible thumping. I simply was stating how disappointed I am in what is happening to our Black men and to what degree does that affect/effect our Sisters, especially psychologically when dealing with Black Men and you have to discern their sexual proclivities.

That's cool, PerroLoco. I can respect that. I guess the thing that confuses me is that I know that this DL thing isn't anything new in Black communities. I think what's happened is that a lot of gay black men like the brother who wrote the book (I forget his name) are reaching a level of comfort in discussing their sexuality openly, and that just brings the whole DL thing into the forefront.

Sisters need to take responsibility for their own sexual health. I'm not saying regard every brother with suspicion and negative energy, because that's counterproductive. But unless you're 100% certain that your man isn't sneaking around with you with another partner -- regardless of that partner's gender -- take steps to protect yourselves. Be open, but don't be a fool.

A brother who truly loved and respected a sister would respect that sister's request to suit up. Maybe I'm living in a dreamworld, but I think that if they can't get with you on that level, they don't deserve to get with you on any other level.

Wow! :(

Get outta my head! :D

I wonder if JL King is laughing all the way to the bank at this paranoid frenzy he has whipped up?

Sistermadly, you are so incredibly on point. Men who sleep with men while having relationships with women is nothing new. This has been going on for decades (if not centuries).

Ladies, don't allow your "paranoia to destroy ya'." Protect yourself. Period.

unknown2u-please provide data that proves your assertions.

I laughed.

My research is on a personal level. 4 of the young ladies who lived with me were both HIV positive and homeless because their husband (not boyfriend) had exposed themselves as being homosexual and had been carrying HIV without telling them. After they found out, 3 of the wome filed for divorce, the other woman's husband left her.

I'm sure people are shocked by my comments, some are even upset. If you are NOT a believer of Christ then I understand. Four years of go, I would have responded the same way. But until you know the Father than your spiritual eyes can be opened and all of this will make sense. :D

Be Blessed!

Kind of Related
 

I just saw this story on the LA Times website. Since it's related to the thread, I thought I'd post it here:

Forum Stresses HIV Threat to Black Women
Many are infected by men who have had sex with other men, activists say. Poor attendance at the event is seen as a sign of community denial.

By Rong-Gong Lin II
Times Staff Writer

October 2, 2005

Many in the African American community are alarmingly silent about the threat HIV poses to black women.

That was the message from black HIV experts and activists at an AIDS forum Saturday at King/Drew Magnet High School of Medicine & Science in Willowbrook.

Nearly seven in 10 women newly diagnosed with AIDS are black, even though they make up just 12% of the female population, panelists said.

"There's a lot of things in our community that we don't want to talk about," said Carla Bailey, a 50-year-old African American who is HIV-positive and sits on Los Angeles County's HIV commission. "It begins and ends with us."

The challenge was evident in the paltry turnout at the second annual event titled "The Cost and Casualties of Silence." Fewer than 75 people showed up — barely filling a quarter of the seats in the school auditorium.

"This is sad," said Tony Wafford, a one-time publicist for entertainers such as Miles Davis and Eddie Murphy who now works on HIV activism full time. "It's hard to come up and hear some truth."

There is still a misperception among some African Americans that HIV affects only gay white men, prostitutes and drug addicts, said Carrie Broadus, executive director of Women Alive, a South Los Angeles-based organization that provides support for HIV-positive women, predominantly those who are black and Latina.

"The women we serve, they're wives, they're professionals … in what we call monogamous relationships, but they're getting infected" by their male partners, Broadus said.

In fact, these men often have sexual relationships with other men, or have come from prison, where such sex is not uncommon, Broadus and others said.

These men on the "downlow" become infected through unprotected sex and bring the virus home to their unwitting female partners, said former Assemblyman Roderick Wright.

Because African American men who have sex with men are often stigmatized within their community, Wright said, it's difficult to discuss the problem openly.

"If in the community we're going to stigmatize this, then they [black men] are not going to confront this," he said

Becoming infected is often a surprise for women who believe they are in monogamous relationships.

Indeed, when Bailey was nagged by her sister to get an HIV test 10 years ago, she was shocked at the results.

Not only was she HIV-positive, but she had full-blown AIDS and only 12 T-cells left in her body. A healthy person normally has at least 600 T-cells, which are a crucial part of the immune system.

"I wasn't doing drugs. I wasn't out running out with men," Bailey said. "I would have never guessed it in a million years."

In retrospect, she believes she was probably infected by her former fiance, a pilot who flew internationally and with whom she had a seven-year relationship. He was said to have died from cancer in 1992, but Bailey's sister thought the cause might have been AIDS and pushed Bailey to get tested.

More people need to acknowledge the risk — as well as advocate condom use and HIV testing — to partners, family members and community members, activists and experts said Saturday.

"A lot of folks are still being silent," said television actress Sheryl Lee Ralph. "God created human beings, and he hard-wired us to have sex…. They always said [AIDS] was a gay white man's disease. But it's a human disease.

"Disproportionately, it is about us," she said. "I am sorry to the point of tears that we refuse to hear it."

Overall, 47% of those living with HIV in the United States are black, the highest rate among any racial group, according to 2003 figures. AIDS was the leading cause of death for black women ages 24 to 34 in 2002.

Activists said it's important for more prominent black organizations, especially churches, to take a broader role in educating people about the epidemic.

"If we don't do something quickly, black women in this country will be in the same position white gay boys in San Francisco were [once] in," Wafford said.

Good Article!

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would you happen to know if these same women upon reflection, realized that their spouses had been giving them 'clues' all along? i ask this because often times women feel that they can change their mates. with that, they tolerate behavior and mentally excuse their partners for wrongdoings.

i do not feel that DL behavior is totally responsible for the decline of the black family. that is somewhat unfair but i do understand why you feel that.

you dont have to be a christian to not understand or the be taken aback. personally that sounds a bit haughty. the worst thing for any 'sinner' is to be judged by people professing to be a child of God. we are all sinners.

im sure you are in constant prayer for your friends. i hope your prayer extends to these men who lied to their spouses and to themselves.


on a side note: i do hope that j.l. king is giving all of his money to charity. personally, i have a problem with someone profiting of living a life of lies and deception.

Re: Kind of Related
 

that is a great article. there are alot of 'things' we dont discuss and its a shame that our community is not more empowered to do so.