2100 girls rushing
 

I've heard there are around 2100 girls rushing at UA this year. What do you think that means? Huge pledge classes or cutting a lot of people?

It depends on how far away from total all of the houses at Bama are. If they are far from total, a good number of girls will most likely get bids. However, if they are at total or close to it, then it means that a large(r) number of girls may get cut.

Regardless of how close to total a chapter is, they can always take Quota..... sounds like large new member classes to me!

Green Book gurus, and especially Bama advisors, would have a much better handle on this, but I was under the impression that quota is established based on recommended quota-setting methods. Then each chapter can take up to quota even if that puts the chapter above campus total. A chapter that would still be below total even if it took quota can take more new members -- up to total, in fact. But it would depend on circumstances and decisions at Alabama.

I'm awaiting corrections and clarifications :)

Thanx for correcting me. Total at my school is pretty high for us, like we could all pretty much take pledge classes of like 20 girls and still be below total so this was never really an issue for any of the sororities at my campus.

I always thought the same way too. Here, campus total is about 65 girls per house, but houses will go through recruitment with 55 plus and the quota will be well over 20. I always thought quota was based on some equation based on how many girls were going through recruitment overall.

Every year on GC there are rumors like this...and every year they are wrong.

exlurker, you are correct.

Thank you for saying what I was thinking. If 2100 girls go through to preference, I'll eat my hat.

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That seems awfully high but I'll email my Alabama contacts and see if that is true. I know the past two years at Ole Miss they have said we would have 1000 or more but there have only been about 800-900. They are expecting a decrease this year because enrollment has decreased for first years and increased for tranfer students, ao around 850-900, which with only 9 houses, we all know that means a high quota of about 80-90 girls.

As far as large numbers of releasing girls, doesn't each house have to release a certain amount of girls based on their past few years recruitment results? I know at Ole Miss each house has to release a certain number. It is based on previous quotas, release figures, how many actually came back to their parties, etc., if they are up to campus total, etc.

I'll eat my collection of Vera Bradley bags. :)

Don't eat them!!! Send them to me lol.

I found out there will probably be a little over 1000, with a quota of about 65! (from a very reliable source)

As of this moment in time there are exactly 991 PNMs registered for Bama. I just checked online. Recruitment starts on 8/16, a bit less than 3 weeks away. I'm speculating that we'll see around 1200 +/- and quota around 65 with 15 Chapters participating.

The University of Alabama administration has committed to significantly growing the student population over the next 5 years. This should translate into ever larger numbers going through Recruitment as well. Rumors were rampent in early spring that we would be looking at around 2500, but it doesn't look like that's going to be the case.

FYI - this year we will be using the new NPC Release Figure system. I suspect it will be very shocking to many houses when they see the number of invites they are allowed compared to past years. But I've heard most folks on campuses that have already gone to this say that while it was pretty scary at first, it all seemed to work out in the end.

We will also be using the new NPC Quota Setting formula where quota is determined by the number of PNMs that attend Pref night. As I understood it, quota used to use the total number of PNMs that went through Recruitment. It didn't factor in drop outs and women that didn't get return invites.

what are the advantages of this NPC Release Figure system?

Advantages of the new NPC Release Figure System
 

Here's how it was explained to me in a nutshell. Someone else who has already been through it could probably explain it better than me, but I'll try. Please correct me if I'm off base.

This new system was designed based on historical statistical data of past years' return rates for each Chapter. Those Chapters that have traditionally high return rates will not be allowed to invite back as many as those Chapters that have lower historical return rates.

The reason behind this is to benefit the PNMs by not being strung along by a Chapter that has no intention of offering them a bid, yet they want "full parties". Hopefully a PNM will only be a little heartbroken being dropped after 1st stage rather than being crushed after 3rd. This way the PNM will hopefully accept invites to other Chapters where she would have a very strong chance in receiving a bid and would enjoy being a member.

Here was an example that was used to explain this to me. Let's say 500 PNMs are going through Recruitment and quota will be 30. ABC is the top GLO on campus and historically their return rates are almost 100% for each stage. XYZ on the other hand struggles with their return rates, yet they are a good solid GLO with a strong sisterhood. XYZ ends up repeatedly being dropped by PNMs because everybody accepts ABC's invites since the PNMs can only attend X number of parties.

With the old system ABC might be able to invite 400 back to 2nd stage, 300 to 3rd and 100 to Pref. Under the new system these numbers will be significantly less in order to allow PNMs to look at the other Chapters such as XYZ. In theory ABC should still have high return rates and offer bids to the PNMs they really want, but it will force them to narrow their potential group sooner.

I have heard great things about this system at DLC this year. I thought all panhellenic organizations would have this established by Fall 06. That is when UNA will implement this new system.

I have heard that Larger chapters still get quota and still get who they want and, this new system helps the smaller chapters have a larger "pool" of girls to recruit. After a few years of this I am sure the entire greek system gets stronger at whatever specific university.

I am looking forward to it.

If you've ever seen a presentation on the new release figures and how they work, it starts to make perfect sense. The math formula doesn't make sense, but the NPC representative (who's a Math whiz...she majored in math or something...I've seen her speak twice and can't think of her name....) shows a graph that make sense...at least to me.

Basically, the graph shows that ABC is the largest house on campus and has high return rates consistently. 90% of the women they keep on their invite lists through the week rank them #1 on the Pref Card. XYZ is the smallest house with lesser return rates. Only 50% of the women they keep on their invite list rank them #1.
(Now I'm using round numbers for easy math)...Let's say there are 200 women going through recruitment. Quota is 50. In order for ABC to make quota, they don't need to carry 150 women through to Pref...they only need to invite 56 women to pref in order to get 50 NMs (90% of 56=50). Conversely, XYZ needs to invite back 100 women to their pref in order to get 50 NMs. If ABC were allowed to invite 150 women all the way to pref, then there would not be enough women going to XYZ to ensure that they will get 50 NMs. Not only that, but if 150 women went to ABCs pref, and only 50 could accept bids, there's the potential that up to 100 women would not get their first choice, and may go bidless because they dropped XYZ way back on the second day.

Each year, these numbers are adjusted somewhat based on how the chapters are doing. So if the smallest chapter starts getting 90% return rates, the number of women they are allowed to keep inviting back changes. I believe it's also recalculated to account for withdrawals, no shows, etc.

You have to pretend there are a couple of other sororities in this recruitment model that I didn't do the math for (cause I'm not that much of a math whiz to make all the percentages come out nice and even) but you get the idea. The new release figures mathematically even the playing field. It does NOT help a "weak" chapter make up for poor recruitment skills or for not offering women what they are looking for (poor reputation, internal problems, etc.). And it may not save a chapter of 10 women on a campus where everyone else is at 100. However, for those chapters who are good chapters with a lot to offer, it helps funnel more women to their parties and gives them a chance to show more women what they have to offer. At least during structured recruitment. COR and all that stuff is a whole 'nother story.

I'm sure I've butchered the hell out of the explanation that NPC uses, but that's how I wrapped my mind around it. It's not a perfect explanation. Forgive me if my numbers don't quite add up...this was the best I could do without playing with numbers all night. And in no way does this take into account "quota range" or anything like that...that's for someone else to describe!!!

PsychTau

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That just fries my mind!!!

2100 pnms....whoa

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a little from column a, a little from column b.

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No, it means that people believe the hype about Bama yet again, when in reality, quota will be somewhere between 55 and 75, just as it always is.

It's sort of like how people never read the whole thread.

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it's a joke...Homer Simpson...? That's what I get from having rain outs for 2 days and nothing on but simpson's reruns.

I so hope 2100 girls go through pref just for that.

great explainations of the "new release figure" method. it has been used at fsu-i know that the chapters with historically high return rates did not suffer any repercussions-don't know if it benefited the others. perhaps penguintrax can fill us in?

Thanks Zillini for your great explanations! Now I get it :) Ole Miss won't use that until I guess next year!

Hmmm.

2100 PNMs, 15 sororities (is that right?). If each PNM attends three pref parties, and everything is even, that means 140 PNMs per pref party...

You're gonna need a lot of candles. Don't burn down the building.

:p

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LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

Bama update - 1013 PNMs registered, 18 days until Recruitment starts

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1013 PNMS over what, 14 sororities with 15 first rounds? That's 68 per PX group - nothing new at Bama. :D

There are 15 NPC Chapters on campus. If I'm not mistaken all of them will be participating in the open house/1st stage of formal recruitment. There will be 16 parties over 2 days with 8 per day. Each PNM group will have 1 party timeslot "free". However, if I recall correctly SDT will only participate in the first round, so from 2nd stage on will be only 14 Chapters. (That is how it's been for the last few years and I have not heard anyone say anything different for this year.)

Why would they only participate in the first round?

SDT does not have a house to fill and they have decided to rush in a slightly different manner than the other NPC groups.

I'll PM you.

Great explaination of the new release figure method. As for quota setting, with the old method, NPC rec that it be done after acceptance to the second invitaional round. That was a different time for every campus. If you have four nights of recruitment - Open House/Welcome Night, Philanthropy, Skit, Pref - then your second invite round would be Skit night. You then took the number of women that accepted invites to Skit and divided that by the number of chapters.

Anyone that dropped out after accepting those invites or dropped out/got no invites between then and Pref - was still figured into quota. Once it was set you were stuck with it. For two years the University I worked with had a problem with women dropping out after quota had been set. We had an entire new member class drop out both years. The next year was a little better - only half a new member class withdrew after quota was set. So in these cases it was impossible for every group to reach quota through formal recruitment.

The new form of setting quota does not set it until all women have signed bid cards.

Quota-Range is the number given to chapters of what quota would be if set at that time. This is taken into account when determining how many each chapter can invite back to each round. In regards to your bid list, you use the lower number for your first list. So if quota range is 42-45, your first list would be 42 - then in order of preference. Bid match is then run using 42, 43, 44 & 45 as quota. They look at lot of things to determine which to set it at: which number gave the most PNM's their 1st choice; which made for the most no bids; which had the most chapters fill quota etc. and (and this is really simplified) they pick the one that fills the most of their criteria (of which there is much more than I listed). The idea is for it to be a win-win for all involved.

:)

Auburn *hearts* the new release figures system. Or at least most chapters do. :)