Kappa/Q Relationship
 

Were the founders of KAPsi and Q friends at Howard U?

If so did the help each other in developing their respective frats? I noticed they both have a knight's head at the top of their crest/shield.

Were they rejected by A-Phi-A?

Man you have a lot of questions, and while I know this board is for people who have questions, you seem to ask the same questions that you know we will not answer.

Part of me thinks that you are really kurious, which is kool, but the other half of me thinks that you just ask these questions that "you know we will not answer," to try to get a rise out of some of us.

Well if the "Sons of Blood & Thunder" want to answer your question then that's on them, but I will simply say that if you want to be a Kappa or an Omega, you should handle this question with a little more descretion.

As far as being rejected, please!! My founders were men of Vision and Achievement, and did not seek memebership in another fraternity.

MN

"Many are called, few are chosen, and some are just plain stupid"



[This message has been edited by ManndingoNUPE (edited October 26, 2000).]

Well said Frat. Researcher, I think that you just want to start something up in here. If you are interested in any of the BGLO's here's my advice: STOP ASKING ASENINE QUESTIONS. The questions you keep asking are really getting old. I've already told you what you should focus your research on. I guess you don't listen. Greeks in the future, don't respond to these types of questions. And researcher, get a life or a new hobby.

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
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XI LAMBDA

I have read some of the posts that you have put up, and in my opinion, you are making it REALLY OBVIOUS on which org. you are trying to join.

If you are blessed with an invitation to partake in that particular org.'s M.I.P., you will be enlightened on the answers to all of these questions you are asking.

Just my opinion.

KittyGirl

How am I supposed to know a simple question like were the friends is supposed to be a big secret? But thanks for being your mature response. I used to think all nupes were dignified.

N4L, you seem to be the ass. 1st, I've stated before, if you don't want to answer or if the answer is esoteric or for members only JUST SAY SO. 2nd, you spend as much time on here as I, probably more, so if I need a life. Can you guess who else needs one. 3rd, You say I don't listen. That info you recommended that I seek out is fine. Just like the founders of Omega Psi Phi are interesting. 4th, the only way to find out answers is to ask questions. Since you are supposed to be an "Achiever", you should know that.

Kitty, unfortunately it's not true that I will be enlightened once joing a particular org. I have friends and family that are Ques, close friends who are Kappas and friends who are Alphas. Many members cannot answer these questions. Not because they have sworn allegiance not to, but because they don't know the answers to this question or others I have posted.

Knowledge is not power,
Applying knowledge is power!!

I respect the quest for knowledge because when I was a GDI I thirsted for it. But to imply that an organizations founders were rejects is harsh. Angry responses are the bi-product of foolishly worded questions. Your question has some degree of validity to it but the question lacks tact.

The answer to your question is this; Their were a group of young men at Indiana U. who wanted to be Alphas. Actually they were suppose to be the tenth chapter of the Alpha org, but the snow storm hit and they grew impatient and instead of waiting on their own people (black) they looked to Phi Nu Pi. And Phi Nu Pi told them that they had to be apart of their history forever. So the young men at Indiana took the letter K representing that they were suppose to be the Kappa chapter of Alpha and of course they used the A to represent Alpha. Then the Psi comes frome the the greek letter which looks like the I and the U on top of each other because the university uses it that way. So there is no link between the Kappas and the Q's! Now they are linked together with the alphas!

just the informer!

Better judgment would dictate that I simply leave these falsehoods alone, but the part of me that works for and loves KAPsi says that I gota speak on it. I'm sorry N4L, but I can't let this one go unchecked. This is about pride.

You are totally wrong in your assumptions about my frat. They are quite laughable actually. Please when posting info on my frat, show your face (unregistered).

I won't make any assumptions about the source of your info, but let me assure you, you are incorrect.

I find it totally disrespectfull to my founders that you would have the nerve to spread falsehoods about our founding.

Of course you would never do so in person, because you know that you would be delt with accordingly.

If you are that pressed to learn about my frat, then there is a way to go about it. It is called MEMBERSHIP.

Now this is my last statment on this. I am going to leave it alone, but I just hate when people spread falsehoods about my beloved founders.


MN

"Many are called, few are chosen, and some are just plain stupid"

MandingoNupe, I love your quote!

I usually don't say much, but to suggest that my founders were Alpha wannabees is preposterous. Do not comment on things you know nothing about. If you are sure about your resources then register so we can talk offline.

N4L and MN, keep representing. YO

Informer, that's an interesting story but, even I know better than that.


Ignorance is not bliss, it frustrates everyone in it's path.

Actually, the informer is telling the truth to an extent and just because that was never taught to you does not make it any less true. That being said the founders of KAPSI created a marvelous fraternity that has done many great things in the community and stand as a unique entity.

Researcher, I don't think you are interested in membership in any organization. Your presence here and the offensive questions you ask indicate this. You just come on here because you wanna be starting something. If I were the Moderator you would not be here because the things you ask, in general, are offensive to all Greeks.

"Many are called, few are chosen, and some are just plain stupid" (I didn't say it - Manndingo Nupe did) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1906:
[B]Actually, the informer is telling the truth to an extent and just because that was never taught to you does not make it any less true.

Give me a break,

I believe that you should get your facts straight. Just becuase you were taught that BS doesn't make it true. I have had discussions with members of my beloved fraternity that have over 50 years in Kappa. And we have discussed our founding quite a bit.

I had a good idea where that BS came from, but like I said, I try to give people the bennifit of the doubt. A-PHI-A is a great organization, and I give them mad respect for being the first. But when you start posting things that are simply not true, that impune the integrety of my founders, then we have beef.

One of the cardinal rules that I was taught was that you never disrespect another orgs founders. I may have beef with you, but I will always leave your founders out of it. All ouf our founders were great men and women, and should be respected by all.

If you want to believe that BS, that's cool. Everyone has the right to be stupid.

MN

"Many are called, few are chosen, and some just get need a good a$$ whipping"

I JUST CANNOT STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!

Although I consider the topic to be a serious one, the way in which some of us approach it is more than funny. I too heard about the founders of KAPsi wanting to be Alphas. At first it was soooo interesting to me that I took the time to find out where the Kappa chapter of A Phi A is. I do not know if these great men wanted to be alphas, and don't think anyone but them have the answer. But I do know that I am SICK of hearing stories about how Kappas', Omegas' and Phi Beta Sigma's founders were supposed or wanted to be Alphas, I mean, why can it be that the founders of 3 of the last 4 NPHC frats just wanted something different? Could it be that they did not see all they were looking for in A Phi A? PLEASE!!!!!! get over it, if they wanted to be or not, this is where we are at now' YEAR 2000!!!!! I respect A Phi A to the fullest, and after sooooooo many road trips to Cornell Univ. I am convinced the there was a need for this org. By the same token, back in 1911, in KKK land, INDIANA, the need for KAPsi was more than obvious. Please notice that 8 out 0f 9 NPHC (first 8 founded before 1925) 5 of them were founded at Howard Univ. Why should all African American in college have to wait for A Phi A to get to their respective univs.? Which brings me to an interesting question; a little while ago a young lady asked why my founders had to "make" another sorority- She then added that maybe they were not good enough to be AKAs, Deltas, or Zetas. WHat do you think?
The point is, these questions have been around since God knows when, no matter how you try to school some people, not all will get the message, as my NUPE friends puts is "SOME AR JUST PLAIN STUPID!!! Just keep trying. EACH ONE TEACH ONE.

I understand we all like to connect ourselves with a glorious past but, we must be careful at whose expenses we please that ego.

no Limit Soldier.
SIGMA GAMMA RHO, Sorority Inc.

It seems to me that the Nupe is getting sensitive. If you did not research your history, "What", Ignorant is Bliss, I think that is the statement someone made! What will meeting face to face do! Your founders were just impatient! Alpha was not fast enough. I would look to the white people for protection on an all white campus in the 60's I think that is what I would have done too. Man Please! I don't know why you got up tight over the truth. then you have support of a few cheerleaders telling you that many are called few are chosen! I thought that I seen that on a shirt of on of those Que dogs. They are the the ones who everyone is scared to pledge! So don't steal slogans either, be original, oops my bad can not do that either! But you are the pretty boys of the Orgs. But I have seen some ugly beat down brothers too. But all in all you have kept it real over the years doing nice things in the communty so why have a cain? You had to depend on the white men of Phi Nu Pi seems that will hurt you forever and have you limping around your college parties. I would not pledge your org. because you do not pledge! Maningo treat this message as a learnig experiance and don't let the truth hurt you. Take it in stride and SCROLL ON!
Peace

It seems to me that the Nupe is getting sensitive. If you did not research your history, "What", Ignorant is Bliss, I think that is the statement someone made! What will meeting face to face do! Your founders were just impatient! Alpha was not fast enough. I would look to the white people for protection on an all white campus in the 60's I think that is what I would have done too. Man Please! I don't know why you got up tight over the truth. then you have support of a few cheerleaders telling you that many are called few are chosen! I thought that I seen that on a shirt of on of those Que dogs. They are the the ones who everyone is scared to pledge! So don't steal slogans either, be original, oops my bad can not do that either! But you are the pretty boys of the Orgs. But I have seen some ugly beat down brothers too. But all in all you have kept it real over the years doing nice things in the communty so why have a cain? You had to depend on the white men of Phi Nu Pi seems that will hurt you forever and have you limping around your college parties. I would not pledge your org. because you do not pledge! Maningo treat this message as a learnig experiance and don't let the truth hurt you. Take it in stride and SCROLL ON!
Peace

It seems to me that the Nupe is getting sensitive. If you did not research your history, "What", Ignorant is Bliss, I think that is the statement someone made! What will meeting face to face do! Your founders were just impatient! Alpha was not fast enough. I would look to the white people for protection on an all white campus in the 60's I think that is what I would have done too. Man Please! I don't know why you got up tight over the truth. then you have support of a few cheerleaders telling you that many are called few are chosen! I thought that I seen that on a shirt of on of those Que dogs. They are the the ones who everyone is scared to pledge! So don't steal slogans either, be original, oops my bad can not do that either! But you are the pretty boys of the Orgs. But I have seen some ugly beat down brothers too. But all in all you have kept it real over the years doing nice things in the communty so why have a cain? You had to depend on the white men of Phi Nu Pi seems that will hurt you forever and have you limping around your college parties. I would not pledge your org. because you do not pledge! Maningo treat this message as a learnig experiance and don't let the truth hurt you. Take it in stride and SCROLL ON!
Peace

It seems to me that the Nupe is getting sensitive. If you did not research your history, "What", Ignorant is Bliss, I think that is the statement someone made! What will meeting face to face do! Your founders were just impatient! Alpha was not fast enough. I would look to the white people for protection on an all white campus in the 60's I think that is what I would have done too. Man Please! I don't know why you got up tight over the truth. then you have support of a few cheerleaders telling you that many are called few are chosen! I thought that I seen that on a shirt of on of those Que dogs. They are the the ones who everyone is scared to pledge! So don't steal slogans either, be original, oops my bad can not do that either! But you are the pretty boys of the Orgs. But I have seen some ugly beat down brothers too. But all in all you have kept it real over the years doing nice things in the communty so why have a cain? You had to depend on the white men of Phi Nu Pi seems that will hurt you forever and have you limping around your college parties. I would not pledge your org. because you do not pledge! Maningo treat this message as a learnig experiance and don't let the truth hurt you. Take it in stride and SCROLL ON!
Peace

Informer, since you seem to know soooo much about PHI NU PI AND KAPPA ALPHA PSI, please school me. was Phi Nu pi a "white" frat.? I mean, for real, I am not trying to be funny, it is that I never heard version of the story. As far as accepting the truth, although it might be hard for some, I believe the average person would understand and eventually accept the truth if this so called truth is explained in polite, clear, and articulated way.

You know, as I already said some people have also considered my founders "wanna be" this, that, or the other thing. Sometime, depending on the way they express themselves I engage in intelligent/educated/politeand PRODUCTIVE conversations. Others, I don't even waste my time dealing with. I think you already know what category you belong into.

Look informer, I am just trying totell you to STOP BEING SOOOOO RUDE!!!!!! And if you already knew the answers, WHY DID YOU ASK?

With ALL due respect,

No Limit Soldier
SIGMA GAMMA RHO Sorority, Inc.

How can The Informer be a reputable source of information about an organization to which he does not belong?

If The Informer is a member of any GLO, why does he choose to remain unregistered? Would it not be better to register and communicate with his frat in their own forum?

Why does The Informer have a vendetta against KAPsi? Perhaps he is the one who was rejected.

who cares? don't even respond to this gar-bage!

OH I have figured it out!!

"The Informer" is "The Researcher".

So you have answered your own question.

lolololololololololololololol...I have read every message on this topic...This is os funny to me...this topic...To my brothers in the bond of KAPsi..Do not fall prey to this dude...The topic is "Kappa/Q Relationship" I haven't seen anything about Kappa & Q relationships in this discussion..I think this dude see that alot of Nupes reply to topic and want to stir something up...Why not come up with a topic "Alpha/Sigma relationship..You know why he won't do that is because this dude know that Kappa & Q's are pretty much the shit right about know on MOST college campuses...He focus on KAPPAs' because he know that Kappas' are THE SHIT...on EVERY college campus...Now as far as our founders was suppose to be the Kappa chapter of APhiA..you are probably right...after all Alphas were the first...Like you said, our founders probably got to impatient and said "The hell with this, these guys kan't run a fraternity" started up their on frat and name it Kappa Alpha Nu...why kappa alpha nu..well maybe the kappa is for the kappa chapter of APhiA..The Alpha for AphiA & the NU for Phi NU Pi...now Phi Nu Pi...you say a white frat help start up Kappa Alpha Psi..maybe you're right...Just like a bank loan..Our founders probably got a loan from a white organization put Nu on the end of the name out of respect...Once the money was paid..dropped the Nu put on Psi & there you have it Kappa Alpha Psi Inc.1911...This is an interesting story huh....If I didn't know any better, I would believe this....Now alot of people think Alphas were the 1st Frat....They are right..The ALPHA KAPPA NUs'.....they just wasn't INC...no funding...So plez stop saying that Kappa Alpha Psi wanted to be Alphas..Kappas are the eptimy of what every man want to be & what every woman want.....from Alpha-Omega...From THE BEGINNING TO THE END....So every non-nupe need to get on their knees every night & think the Loed that he took a Kappaman's rib and made all of you......You feel me.........Now stick to the topic....Kappa/Q relationship....Kappas & Qs are kool..My Ace is a Q...that's my Dog....we joke about each others frat, but that's all joke....Yo Yo.. "Pikture Perfekt Wtr 96"

BlueReign, Boo I believe you are right.

Just to add my .02 cents. If Omega was founded at Howard, and Kappa was founded at IU, I'm confused about how these people would know each other, let alone be friends.

I don't think that a lot of black students had the money to "road trip" back in 1911. I don't know, maybe I'm trippin'.

Miss. Mocha

It is your in4mer! I am back! for the nupes it aint good. For the alphas it anit good either!!! you all are part of a scam to be tokens for the scam of bringing black men to first a prodominately all 2 white institution the are good schools but hey why couldent you all stay black!

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Miss Mocha as far as travel is concerned, you are trippin' if you read some history books you would know why I asked the question. Don't just think, find out.

All this stuff about Alpha's had never even crossed my mind, but it is interesting.

BlueReign-I never said I was interested in becoming a member of any of these orgs. I am interested in African-American history. Asking whether or not the founders were friends is not offensive, or rather it shouldn't be. If I just wanted to start stuff I wouldn't not put disclaimers on my questions. Namely, IF THE ANSWERS ARE ESOTERIC OR FOR MEMBERS ONLY OR JUST NONE OF MY BUSINESS, JUST SAY SO. I RESPECT AND ACCEPT THAT AS AN ANSWER. I've said/wrote this on mre than one occasion. I would say that you don't listen, but i'm not talking. I will say you reading comprehensive skills may be lacking. Perhaps you should read posts 2 or 3 times before you decide to comment. If the moderator chooses to bar me from any more questions, that's fine. that wouldn't stop me from finding out the answers to my questions. And if you are offended by my questions about the frat's, don't read any more of my posts or grow up.

I will say that the alleged relationship between Alphas and Kappas that has been brought up is interesting to me. I will research that further.

Alpha Kappa Nu was the first.

I will respect your opinion of me and not try to insult you or belittle you like you just did to me. I just think that you are not really interested in any Greek organization and want to tear down instead of build up.

Don't get mad at me because I know that you are posting as two different people. I am reading the posts and there is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension skills. I enjoy reading and teach it for a living!!!

Ask intelligent questions that don't offend. Try to help somebody. Put your negative energy into something positive. I am asking that you stop posting here and insulting the intelligence of the Founders of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity. There is a lot of work to be done in our communities, in our schools, and even in our own homes.

You have a lot to learn in life, Darling!!!

What is the point of these questions? If the Researcher/Informer is so curious about each organization's history, why not just pick up a copy of the Divine Nine and call it a day? Why would the personal relationships between the founders of KAPsi and the Ques be of interest to anyone? Next he'll be asking what size shoes they wore and if they preferred to brush with Crest or Colgate.

Now you see I tried to be respectful then some faggoty a$$ Nupe had to try and start some sh#!. Okay so your founders wanted to be Alphas. There is nothing wrong with that. Then whatever happened; it didn't work out and they created Kappa. Be happy they had the fortitude to stick it out and create there own thing.

Kappa is a good organization its done some good things even if it did let in some mandingo probably never pledged people into its ranks.

As for the informer, I will inform you on the first fraternal organization at HOward univ. It was Alpha so now you are informed.

Regardless of how offended we get, I think we should keep it civilized- WHy do we have to insult fellow greeks to make our points? See, I don't know if the person who started this topic did it with the intentions of starting the above drama but, it sure proves we have lots of growing and maturing to do. Of course I think my org. is the greatest, but do I need to reduce others in order to feel that way? I thank those who paved the road (AKA, DST, ZPhiB) and will never understimate the value of their work- but I also see the point of my org.
Yes, I still feel I made the right thing when I selected my org. Why do we allow this negativity influence the way we perceive and interact with fellow greeks? Come on people- WISE UP!!!!

No Limit Soldier.

I am going to try to take the high road on this one. This topic has gotten pretty ugly, with people spreading falsehoods and what not, and some personal attacks going on. This is not conducive.

Resercher, in the futer please ask a member of that particular org the question. If they choose to answer, so beit.

1906,

Anyone who has read any of my past post, knows how I feel about intake, and I have no need to beat my chest and holler. I have found the people who are so quick to shout about pledging either didn't pledge as hard as they say they did, or they were pledged incorrectly. It is called descretion. You keep family buisnes in the family, and you don't go "shining" on your own frat brothers in Cyber space.

You unfourtnatley were not taught that, or you simply have a problem with Komprehension.
That's cool, I wish you and the men of Alpha Phi Alpha nothing but the best. You are a great organization and you have done some wonderfull things for our community, and for that I say thank you.

MN

"The Lion doesn't have to roar to know that it is a Lion"

Midwestdiva-Their relationship would be of interest to those interested in African-Americans and thier history. I think it's more important than what's happening on the next Oprah or episode of ER or whatever mind sucking television shows you happen to watch.

Divine Nine is an overview. 'Nuff said.

BlueReign-Grow up, Sweetheart!! I did not insult anyone. I asked a question that could have been answered by a yes, no, none of your business or that's member only info. All this other drama that was brought up was by YOUR fellow mature, greek intellects. You are right by saying I have alot to learn. everyone does. The best way to find out is by asking.

MN-That, I can honor and respect.

Thanx PrettyKitty. There is one Greek out there who can answer a simple question with a simple answer. It figures it would take a Zeta to be able to read, understand, and be able to answer the question without being offended

A FINER WOMAN, you definitely are.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Researcher:
Midwestdiva-Their relationship would be of interest to those interested in African-Americans and thier history. I think it's more important than what's happening on the next Oprah or episode of ER or whatever mind sucking television shows you happen to watch.

My, my. Aren't we getting testy? Too bad I don't watch much television.

Many interests, myself included have asked members of GLO's questions about their organizations. The response you receive will be a reflection of your original question. If you are getting some negative feedback from some of the Greeks, it is probably because of your orginal post. Keep that in mind.

I am curious why you asked the questions you did. Why did you not ask about the relationship between the founders of Omega Psi Phi and Alpha Phi Alpha. The Alpha's crest has a knight's head on it as well. It appears as though you did in fact know the answers to the questions you asked.

Also you have been insulting to several members of Greekchat whether you intended to be or not. You will attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.

[This message has been edited by MIDWESTDIVA (edited November 06, 2000).]

I knew better to stay out of this one because I know it was gonna even uglier.

1906: We should not be fighting amongst ourselves, we are all in the struggle together. I mean you went low. So even though I am very tempted, I won't. My fellow frat showed much class in responding to you. Let's stop hating on one another and work together.

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This is quite an interesting discussion. I will not speak on the "relationship" but I will say that Good research will reveal the answers you seek...public history does reveal that 2 of the founders of Kappa Alpha Psi did attend Howard University(b4 founding KAPsi) and knew the founders of Omega Psi Phi and Phi Beta Sigma before both organizations were formed.

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The Epitome of Beauty, Style, and Grace, Always Exemplifying Good Taste, A Zeta Woman, A Finer Woman, That's Me!

Phuck kappa & Q relationships, those are the two frats that think they are the $#!+. Kappas are so stuck on themselves just like little B-EYE-ITCHES, The Q's think they are the roughest toughest & badest mutha-phucker around. Sorry to disappoint you. HELL NO. They are some dumm azzez with a graduation rate of about 17% if that much. I see how the Researcher cmae up with the topic now. These 2 frats ain't $#!+. Kappas ain't nothing but some fags trying to be cutie like women. "I'm so pretty on my right-I'm so pretty on my left" that's so Ho $#!+. The Q's bark & march. you azzez. Don't y'all know that Dogs are mangy & are lower than a slave. You march just like so ignorant Nigros. You can tell Qs' are dumb azzez, every time someone challenge a Qs' education or success, they always throw up MJ or Jessie Jackson to name a few. Those dudes are sellouts & everybody know that. So now what? These two frats make me sick & i know I'm not the only one feels like this.

Well Aren't we just a little angry now aren't we. So tell us again how do feel about Ques and Kappa's? Just let me say that apparently you are the ass and really have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Most likely you are a reject from both organizations. Now I'm sure you will attack me and my organization for my opinion, but what else can I expect from someone that obviously beleives in sterotypes.