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Is Losing FUN?!?!

So, my house seems to think it's OK to lose.....BAD

Example: Since we don't have many guys, our athletics teams pretty much suck. Yet, KNOWING that we're going to lose, the guys still go out there, and of course, will lose 56-0 in football or 75-25 in basketball.

Their reaction?

"Whatever about the score guys....the point is we had fun and represented as a house, right?"

WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK? WE LOST, AND WE GOT OUR ASSES KICKED! HOW IS THAT FUN? YEAH, WE REPRESENTED DELTA SIG, AS A BUNCH OF LOSERS!

It's not just intramurals or games, I'm talking ANY type of competition. Like, if we got 5 guys from rush whereas everyone else got at least 20, they say "We got five quality guys, it doesn't matter". I mean, yeah, I can get apathy, but how can you tell me it's fun to get your ass kicked?

I guess it's because I've never been able to hold up a trophy, but you're going to convince me that losing is fun.....

I feel the same way - I'm extremely competitive in everything. Even all the way back to Little League, through high school sports and into college intramurals, I've always hated losing.

I understand exactly where you're coming from with that.

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At least they're showing up to play. I can see how it'd be frustrating always losing, but I agree with your brothers at least they represent and had fun. Are intramurals really competitive at your school? I'm not really competitive, so maybe I just don't understand the problem.

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
So, my house seems to think it's OK to lose.....BAD

Example: Since we don't have many guys, our athletics teams pretty much suck. Yet, KNOWING that we're going to lose, the guys still go out there, and of course, will lose 56-0 in football or 75-25 in basketball.

Their reaction?

"Whatever about the score guys....the point is we had fun and represented as a house, right?"

WHAT THE MOTHER FUCK? WE LOST, AND WE GOT OUR ASSES KICKED! HOW IS THAT FUN? YEAH, WE REPRESENTED DELTA SIG, AS A BUNCH OF LOSERS!

It's not just intramurals or games, I'm talking ANY type of competition. Like, if we got 5 guys from rush whereas everyone else got at least 20, they say "We got five quality guys, it doesn't matter". I mean, yeah, I can get apathy, but how can you tell me it's fun to get your ass kicked?

I guess it's because I've never been able to hold up a trophy, but you're going to convince me that losing is fun.....

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Thats what you get for not rushing Pike.

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Originally posted by cashmoney
Thats what you get for not rushing Pike.

they don't even have Pike at his school.

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Originally posted by BobbyTheDon
they don't even have Pike at his school.

You oughtta rep Pike and beat his ass in basketball. I'mma start callin you Ballin'Bobby.

Ummm.....Pike's NEVER, EVER coming back to SDSU.

Not that I would care either way, but the way they got kicked out back in 86, from old archives I've read and from talking to GL, it'll be a cold day in hell before Case lets them back here.

Back to the original topic. It's not that they're REALLY competitive, but it sucks when every other house, on any given day, has a chance except us.

Yeah, it's our fault, but my point is I don't see where the brotherhood and fun is when you're losing that bad.

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I guess the guys from that chapter were keepin it real.

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Ummm.....Pike's NEVER, EVER coming back to SDSU.

Not that I would care either way, but the way they got kicked out back in 86, from old archives I've read and from talking to GL, it'll be a cold day in hell before Case lets them back here.

Back to the original topic. It's not that they're REALLY competitive, but it sucks when every other house, on any given day, has a chance except us.

Yeah, it's our fault, but my point is I don't see where the brotherhood and fun is when you're losing that bad.

I understand losing is not fun. i've been on losing teams before and it's sucked, but the teams i was playing on were for FUN. At the end of the day, it didn't matter who won or lost but that everyone had fun and did their best. I know I sound like an afterschool special, but if the guys are trying their best and having fun, I don't see what the problem is.

Now, if you're losing and can't compete with other groups on your campus because your members just don't care and aren't trying, that's a different story and it should be addressed.

yell at them at the next meeting

tell them to stop sucking ass

then recruit athletes

Warning, Non Panhellenic

Ok, so The scoring for our greek week was really screwed up this year. They decided that EACH Olympic event was worth 5 for 1st, 3 for 2nd and 1 for 3rd. What the IFC and Panhel social chairs (either did or didn't) realize was that if you could win all the athletic events, you could WIN GREEK WEEK WITHOUT SHOWING UP TO ANYTHING ELSE!.

So my group, the smallest on campus and the one who never wins ANYTHING, kicked ass this year. We got 2nd for our Tshirts, 2nd in Harmony night, 2nd in Banner, 1st in Lip Synch, then we managed to get 3rd in Volleyball, 3rd in Soccer, and 1st in tug o war.

My points of contention- 1) We were ALWAYS paired in the SAME bracket as the largest sorority on campus, every. single. time. There were three houses that we never even got to play!

2) If you went to the consolation round, then you automatically got 3rd, with no chance to play for 2nd.

3) We were supposed to play a consolation round for dodgeball, but the IFC Social chair told us we were done and to go home, SO WE DID! Grrrr

So at the end of the day...a fraternity that had poured a POUND OF SUGAR and gotten almost entirely NAKED on stage at lip synch WON GREEK WEEK, even though they hadn't won anything else. The rule of only having 3 varsity athletes in any event at any one time had to be suspended for them, because they were ALL varsity athletes.

the sorority that won was the one we KEPT ON PLAYING over and over and over again, and losing to because we don't have athletes. Incidentally, one of the girls had heard one of them say after we won lip synch, "We could be in first too, if people felt sorry for us." GRRRRRRRRRRR:mad: :mad: :mad:

But during flag football (and following our recruitment chair getting nailed in the eye with the football by my big!), we decided to say, "eff this" because we weren't going to win, even if we got 1st place. So we decided to do a kickline instead of kicking off, and do some of our inside jokes and singing Margaritaville at the top of our lungs instead of actually playing. Perhaps a little snarky, but we were covered in mud and having a damn good time.

If they had kept the scoring like it had been for every greek week up to this one, we would have won. Instead, we got 2nd, and you know what, no one should ever feel sorry for us.

So I propose that next year our shirts say, "Tau Delta: Don't feel sorry for us, we're having fun while you're just bitter."

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If you are the guy reppin' Pike, I'm glad I didn't go them. From the things I have read that you wrote, I pretty much determine you're an idiot.

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Originally posted by cashmoney
Thats what you get for not rushing Pike.

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan

Yeah, it's our fault, but my point is I don't see where the brotherhood and fun is when you're losing that bad.

Where's the brotherhood if you're so worried about winning rather than having fun?

How's it fun when you're losing that bad?

The whole point of the thread.....

If it were 5-4, and we barely lost, and we did the best we could, there's some brotherhood to find from that.

But when you can't do anything right on the field, there's fingerpointing and such, there isn't. And to lose that bad, that type of victim cycle behavior is inevitable.

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
Where's the brotherhood if you're so worried about winning rather than having fun?

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
How's it fun when you're losing that bad?

The whole point of the thread.....

If it were 5-4, and we barely lost, and we did the best we could, there's some brotherhood to find from that.

But when you can't do anything right on the field, there's fingerpointing and such, there isn't. And to lose that bad, that type of victim cycle behavior is inevitable.

Well Stan, the way I see it is that you have 3 options.

1) stop competing all together. You guys are obviously having no fun, so why bother?

2) get your guys together and find out what everyone is good at. There must be something that you guys can do as a chapter together that you can compete in.

3) Change the way you do recruitment. Start recruiting guys that are athletes, or whatever. But be careful, don't just recruit athletes, etc. for the sake of recruiting them. Make sure they will be productive additions to your chapter in all aspects.

Thanks for the suggestions. We're in the middle of an accountability crsis, and solving that will lead us one step closer to the athletics problem.

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
Well Stan, the way I see it is that you have 3 options.

1) stop competing all together. You guys are obviously having no fun, so why bother?

2) get your guys together and find out what everyone is good at. There must be something that you guys can do as a chapter together that you can compete in.

3) Change the way you do recruitment. Start recruiting guys that are athletes, or whatever. But be careful, don't just recruit athletes, etc. for the sake of recruiting them. Make sure they will be productive additions to your chapter in all aspects.

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
"Whatever about the score guys....the point is we had fun and represented as a house, right?"

Mr. KR tells this to the 7-8 year olds he coaches in softball and field hockey, and I think that's a fine thing because he just wants the kids to enjoy themselves and not have a ton of pressure on them.

I think that older kids (and adults) are more prone to want to "play to win", though.

Perhaps someone needs to read to them General Patton's famous D-Day speech - the uncensored version: (Pardon the salty language, but that's how Patton was.)

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A GENERAL TALKS TO HIS ARMY (THE UNEDITED VERSION)

"Be seated."

Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.

You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self-respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, every one of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.

You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He-Men and they ARE He-Men.

Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen. All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call "chicken shit drilling". That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a fuck for a man who's not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an-asshole-bitch is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockful of shit! There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job. But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did.

An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horseshit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for The Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fucking! We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we're going up against. By God, I do.

My men don't surrender, and I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just bullshit either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!

All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain. What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn't like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like?

No, Goddamnit, Americans don't think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the 'G.I. Shits'.

Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious firefight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir.' I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!' Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds.

And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable.

Don't forget, you men don't know that I'm here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the Goddamned Germans. Some day I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, 'Jesus Christ, it's the Goddamned Third Army again and that son-of-a-fucking-bitch Patton'. We want to get the hell over there." The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit.

Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!

When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea! The hell with taking it! My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket.

War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!

I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!

From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.

There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, 'Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.' No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, 'Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!'

"That is all."

General George S. Patton, Jr. to the Third Army
Somewhere in England
June 5th, 1944.

I can't stand losing and I can turn anything into a competition. Playing for fun isn't a part of my vocabulary.

I've seen chapters on campus go from super great at everything to bad at everything and then back to super again. It goes in cycles.

It could be worse. At least you are making an effort. Nothing worse than having to beg people to come out to an event JUST to get the points for participating and make the entry fee somewhat worth it.

Course, when you are on top, people tend to get cocky and stupid. That's what I don't like about winning everything. Because the next year when you suck... everyone has these outlandish expectations and then blames the chapter for not doing well in anything.

Stan, maybe it would be more fun if you all went out and smoked a big fatty together. Then you could share some nachos and you'd all be happy.

Did you read his biography Alphasigou? Good stuff.

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Perhaps someone needs to read to them General Patton's famous D-Day speech - the uncensored version: (Pardon the salty language, but that's how Patton was.)

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Originally posted by James
Did you read his biography Alphasigou? Good stuff.

Which one? there are several biographies about General Patton out there that are pretty good. I have a copy of Patton: Ordeal and Triumph by Ladislas Farago. This book, and General Omar Bradley's memoir A Soldier's Story were the basis of the screenplay for the film Patton.

Patton is revered as a demi-god in Luxembourg; every year around Memorial Day, the town of Ettelbrück celebrates General Patton with a big parade and party.

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Originally posted by valkyrie
Stan, maybe it would be more fun if you all went out and smoked a big fatty together. Then you could share some nachos and you'd all be happy.

funny...very assuming....

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
funny...very assuming....

Kidnap their family members and tell them to play for real this time.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by Rudey
Kidnap their family members and tell them to play for real this time.

-Rudey

It didn't work on the Brazilians, and it's not going to work for me.

We did win a game by default cause a certain opponent didn't want to play football on Roshashanna. Thanks for that.

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
It didn't work on the Brazilians, and it's not going to work for me.

We did win a game by default cause a certain opponent didn't want to play football on Roshashanna. Thanks for that.

You jerks. We were eating apples and honey damn it!

-Rudey

Well, if nothing else, Patton did have a way with words!:cool:

Hell of a Military leader too!:)

Stan, understand man. As a Local we had @ 20 guys, most Frateritys (6) were about 50-60. None tall or athletic so to speak, no Beef Heads for sure in our Local.

But, We did compete, hurt like hell from getting hit on the football field, elbowed on the Basket Ball Court, etc.

But, We were proud, We competed with all of the others.

Just went back to the House , showered, went some place and got a few brews.

Funny how it works out though.

5 retired from the Military as Full Birds. Captain In The Navy, Very Higher ups in Honda, Toyota, Chrysler, American Express, Ford,Own Small Businesses, are State Legislatures or Mayors of Citys, Heads of School Districts.

It is tough now, but Hey College life isnt easy is it?

I know, I may lose My Chapter that I have worked with for 40 years. Now, that is sad.

So while We are trying to recruit with Alums and a New House being built, I dont know it We are gling to do it either.

You Guys have a chance, just suck it up and try to recruit. Just do it!:) Good Luck Stan, Hang in Man!!!!!!

does the chapter practice at all or do they just sort of show up 15 minutes before the competition? holding designated practices and planning and executing plays might help your chapter score more points-and having one guy who knows what he is doing serve as the coach or as a player/coach might help. constantly losing is not fun and can really impact morale. good luck!!

If winning is so important than, just stop playing the sports you guys suck at and start having brotherhood events where everyone is having fun.