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AlphaSigOU 06-13-2005 04:04 PM

Jackson jury reaches verdict
 
To be announced at 1:30 Pacific time today.

docetboy 06-13-2005 05:14 PM

NOT GUILTY!


:( :( :( :( :( :( :(

PoohsHoneyBee 06-13-2005 05:18 PM

luckily, I'm able to listen to this for myself on cnn radio at work.

i can't believe it!

sigtau305 06-13-2005 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by docetboy
NOT GUILTY!


:( :( :( :( :( :( :(


Good. Hopefully, they can close the book on this and get on with their lives.

AlphaSigOU 06-13-2005 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by docetboy
NOT GUILTY!


:( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Not guilty in a court of law, guilty in The Supreme Court of Public Opinion. He'll never live it down. Stand by for the civil suit...

Now where did I put my rope and six-pack...? :D

preciousjeni 06-13-2005 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by sigtau305
Good. Hopefully, they can close the book on this and get on with their lives.
COSIGN on that...

preciousjeni 06-13-2005 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Now where did I put my rope and six-pack...? :D
Hey AlphaSigOU - what does that mean? I feel like I'm missing something!

AlphaSigOU 06-13-2005 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
Hey AlphaSigOU - what does that mean? I feel like I'm missing something!
A little frontier justice... we're gonna have us a hanging party! :D

LexiKD 06-13-2005 05:42 PM

He really needs to be evaluated by someone not on his payroll.

Rio_Kohitsuji 06-13-2005 05:57 PM

Well, like I told my mom, he can now get brand new little boys to molest and we can all start this ALL over again!

sugar and spice 06-13-2005 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Rio_Kohitsuji
Well, like I told my mom, he can now get brand new little boys to molest and we can all start this ALL over again!
Any parents dumb enough to send their kids to play with some freak who's already been through two serious child molestation accusations deserves to go to jail just as much if not more than Michael does.

And honestly, as much as Jacko weirds me out, these "frontier justice" comments are even creepier.

Taualumna 06-13-2005 06:29 PM

What I don't understand is why these parents let their kids share a room with a grown man in the first place.

Tom Earp 06-13-2005 06:30 PM

Mr. Plastic Man is Free?

M Man is unto Him self as no other!

He is a Twit with a lot of $$$$ but still a little boy so to speak.

He was and is open for a lot of shit simply because He is Over the Top.:eek:

CrimsonTide4 06-13-2005 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
A little frontier justice... we're gonna have us a hanging party! :D
:eek: :eek: OH MY!! :(

AlphaSigOU 06-13-2005 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
And honestly, as much as Jacko weirds me out, these "frontier justice" comments are even creepier.
Tongue firmly planted in cheek, folks... there's no need to get freaked out over any frontier justice to be meted out. Jury's found him not guilty in a court of law; the Court of Public Opinion ain't so forgiving.

Kevlar281 06-13-2005 06:44 PM

How much did this trial cost?

starang21 06-13-2005 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Now where did I put my rope and six-pack...? :D

interesting....

AlphaSigOU 06-13-2005 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kevlar281
How much did this trial cost?
Too much money to the taxpayers of Santa Maria County on the DA side, Mikey's prolly mortgaged to the eyeballs on the defense side. Don't be surprised if he sells off some of his assets to pay the defense.

starang21 06-13-2005 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
A little frontier justice... we're gonna have us a hanging party! :D
so you're suggesting lynching him due to jacko not being convicted?


VERY interesting...

Rudey 06-13-2005 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Too much money to the taxpayers of Santa Maria County on the DA side, Mikey's prolly mortgaged to the eyeballs on the defense side. Don't be surprised if he sells off some of his assets to pay the defense.
Didn't he sell Neverland Ranch? I thought Banc of America also provided him with capital against his Beatles income too...

-Rudey

AlphaSigOU 06-13-2005 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
so you're suggesting lynching him due to jacko not being convicted?


VERY interesting...

Did ya read my explanatory post above? Tongue FIRMLY planted in cheek! Or do people NOT interpret :D correctly?

A jury of his peers may have found him not guilty on all charges, but the court of public opinion seems to think otherwise. There's gonna be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on long after the trial's over.

'Nuff said.

valkyrie 06-13-2005 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
A jury of his peers may have found him not guilty on all charges, but the court of public opinion seems to think otherwise. There's gonna be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on long after the trial's over.

The thing is, people are stupid. If they weren't in the courtroom, they have no idea whether he's guilty or not -- I wish all the people complaining about the verdict would realize that.

BetteDavisEyes 06-13-2005 07:36 PM

I think the jurors were drinking Jesus juice prior to voting for keeping this sick fuck out on the streets free to sleep with other boys.

starang21 06-13-2005 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
The thing is, people are stupid. If they weren't in the courtroom, they have no idea whether he's guilty or not -- I wish all the people complaining about the verdict would realize that.
indeed. the court of public opinion doesn't amount to a whole lot of beans.

hoosier 06-13-2005 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU


Now where did I put my rope and six-pack...? :D

Just tongue in cheek, but would the first person hung be the accuser's lying momma? Or the greedy vengeful prosecutor?

ZTABullwinkle 06-13-2005 07:50 PM

My opinion changes a SMALL bit after listening to the jurors speak. There was no "smoking gun" as one put it, in this case.

However, he does have to reinvent his personality after all this bad publicity. Many people aren't going to forget the things he has done...like sleeping with children in the same bed at his age. (I know...Parents should not be letting it happen, but he also should not do it to begin with!)

From what I am to understand, he is mortgaged up to his eyeballs. I have heard that Paul McCartney is watching carefully to see if the Beatle's recordings will be sold. I have to imagine that there is going to be some major Jackson memorbilia on sale very soon.


Anyone think they are going to sue him in civil court? I think the mom has done enough to ruin their reputation, but I won't put it past her.

ZTAngel 06-13-2005 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
The thing is, people are stupid. If they weren't in the courtroom, they have no idea whether he's guilty or not -- I wish all the people complaining about the verdict would realize that.
True. I can't say for certain whether he is guilty or not guilty but what I will say is that I would NEVER let my future child hang around him. And it's not just because he has been brought up on child molestation charges but because he's weird as hell. He's a grown man that he thinks/wishes he was 9. That alone would keep me from letting my child around him. These parents that still let their kids around him are stupid.

honeychile 06-13-2005 09:40 PM

NBC said that the trial cost over $4 million dollars.

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Originally posted by ZTABullwinkle
From what I am to understand, he is mortgaged up to his eyeballs. I have heard that Paul McCartney is watching carefully to see if the Beatle's recordings will be sold. I have to imagine that there is going to be some major Jackson memorbilia on sale very soon.
This is what I'm hoping! I've been to at least two Paul McCartney concerts where he's said that he doesn't play his own songs that are owned by somebody else. It's time for that catalog to get back in the proper hands.

And any mother or father who allows his or her child sleep with a grown man - ESPECIALLY a man who has had molestation allegations to begin with! - should be held as an accessory!


Eta for grammar

DeltAlum 06-13-2005 10:36 PM

I must admit I'm shocked.

But, as Vakyrie says, I wasn't there in the courtroom.

HBADPi 06-13-2005 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by ZTABullwinkle
From what I am to understand, he is mortgaged up to his eyeballs. I have heard that Paul McCartney is watching carefully to see if the Beatle's recordings will be sold. I have to imagine that there is going to be some major Jackson memorbilia on sale very soon.

See thats what I thought too but we were discussing it at work and someone was telling me that his finances werent in that much trouble and how some of his celebrity friends like Trump had offered to help him out. I havent found anything that confirms that but I was wondering if anyone else had heard this too??

I too am hoping he'll have to sell his Beatles collection...

OtterXO 06-14-2005 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
The thing is, people are stupid. If they weren't in the courtroom, they have no idea whether he's guilty or not -- I wish all the people complaining about the verdict would realize that.
i heart valkyrie

sugar and spice 06-14-2005 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Did ya read my explanatory post above? Tongue FIRMLY planted in cheek! Or do people NOT interpret :D correctly?

A jury of his peers may have found him not guilty on all charges, but the court of public opinion seems to think otherwise. There's gonna be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on long after the trial's over.

'Nuff said.

Regardless of whether or not it was meant in jest, I think that given the history of lynch mobs, it's in pretty bad taste to joke about hanging a black man accused of sexual crimes (you can argue about "black" Jackson really is, but the point still stands). Let us know if you plan to castrate or dismember him, or maybe coat him in tar before setting him on fire, in addition to the hanging -- because all of those things happened to lynching victims too.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou..._2.html?sect=8

Lynching threats are the new blackface!

lifesaver 06-14-2005 04:36 AM

Talk shows are proving that 90% of Americans are effing idiots who have no understanding of the law.

To boil this down beyond its simplest points; its not that the jury had to believe he touches little boys. Its that the state of californina had to prove the specific allegations of THIS case.

I am sure that most of the jurors (juror #1 even said so), like the rest of us believe he likes to touch the little boys. But the issue here was the state having to prove that he touched THIS little boy, on THAT specific date(s), in the manner alleged (among other lesser charges). Factor in the accusor's whack mom, and lack of actual evidence = not guilty verdict.

I think he did it. Pedophiles dont change their stripes. He'll do it again, to someone he cant buy off and then Creepy McGoo will get thrown in the clink.

I just wish that everyone would quit calling him the 'king of pop.' Seriously, he hasnt had a #1 hit since what, 1991? Last time he had a hit album was 1984 or something. Its like calling Bon Jovi "king of stadium concerts" or something.

AlphaSigOU 06-14-2005 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
Regardless of whether or not it was meant in jest, I think that given the history of lynch mobs, it's in pretty bad taste to joke about hanging a black man accused of sexual crimes (you can argue about "black" Jackson really is, but the point still stands). Let us know if you plan to castrate or dismember him, or maybe coat him in tar before setting him on fire, in addition to the hanging -- because all of those things happened to lynching victims too.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou..._2.html?sect=8

Lynching threats are the new blackface!

Point taken, and I'm not doing it again.

Taualumna 06-14-2005 07:25 AM

I heard that he might get a Vegas show or go on a world tour just so he can make some money to keep up with his current lifestyle.....:eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

moe.ron 06-14-2005 07:34 AM

Quick question, who is that hot Asian lawyer in Jackson's team?

KSig RC 06-14-2005 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by lifesaver
Talk shows are proving that 90% of Americans are effing idiots who have no understanding of the law.
It's way higher than 90% - I have actual data to back that up, too.

That's also why I have a job, though, so no complaints here - this just proves the central tenet of my job to date: DO NOT GET SUED, under any circumstances.

honeychile 06-14-2005 10:48 AM

GOOD NEWS!!!! :rolleyes:

"Jackson Won't Share Bed With Kids Again By TIM MOLLOY, Associated Press Writer

SANTA MARIA, Calif. - Basking in the jurors' decision to acquit his client of all counts, Michael Jackson's lawyer said Tuesday the singer will no longer share his bed with young boys.

"He's not going to do that anymore," attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. told NBC's "Today." "He's not going to make himself vulnerable to this anymore."

Jackson was found not guilty Monday of child molestation, conspiracy and other counts. Jurors said the accusations of a young boy and his family were not credible — a total legal victory that triggered jubilation among the pop star's fans and embarrassment for the district attorney's office.

But Mesereau said the singer was still recovering from the ordeal.

"He's going to take it one day at a time. It's been a terrible, terrible process for him," Mesereau said Tuesday.

A raucous welcome greeted Jackson as he returned to his Neverland Ranch on Monday afternoon. As a convoy of black SUVs carrying him and his entourage pulled through the gates, his sister La Toya rolled down a window, smiled widely and waved. The crowd responded with a euphoric cheer.

"All of us here and millions around the world love and support you," proclaimed a banner strung across a fence by the compound in Los Olivos that Jackson said he created to provide himself with the childhood he never enjoyed.

"It's victory," said Tracee Raynaud, 39. "God is alive and well."

The acquittals marked a stinging defeat for Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon, who displayed open hostility for Jackson and had pursued him for more than a decade, trying to prove the rumors that swirled around Jackson about his fondness for children.

Sneddon sat with his head in his hands after the verdicts were read.

"We don't select victims of crimes and we don't select the family. We try to make a conscientious decision and go forward," Sneddon said afterward, adding "I'm not going to look back and apologize for anything that we've done."

Jurors may have acquitted Jackson of all charges of molesting a 13-year-old cancer survivor, but not all of them were convinced the King of Pop had never molested a child.

"He's just not guilty of the crimes he's been charged with," said Ray Hultman, who told The Associated Press he was one of three people on the 12-person panel who voted to acquit only after the other nine persuaded them there was reasonable doubt about the entertainer's guilt in this particular case.

Prosecutors presented testimony about Jackson's allegedly improper relationships with several boys in the early 1990s, including the son of a maid who testified that Jackson molested him during tickling session between 1987 and 1990. Another, Brett Barnes, took the stand to deny that he was molested during sleepovers at Neverland.

But Hultman said he believed it was likely that both boys had been molested. He said he voted to acquit Jackson in the current case because he had doubts about his current accuser's credibility.

"That's not to say he's an innocent man," Hultman, 62, said of Jackson.

Some jurors noted they were troubled by Jackson's admission that he allowed boys into his bed for what he characterized as innocent sleepovers.

"We would hope first of all that he doesn't sleep with children anymore and that he learns that they have to stay with their families or stay in the guest rooms or the houses or whatever they're called down there," jury foreman Paul Rodriguez said. "And he just has to be careful how he conducts himself around children."

Some jurors acknowledged they flatly disliked the accuser's mother, portrayed by the defense as a welfare cheat who brought a trumped-up lawsuit against J.C. Penney, accusing store guards of roughing her and her family up. "I disliked it intensely when she snapped her fingers at us," said one juror, a woman, who declined to give her name.

Another woman juror said she felt sorry for the accuser and his siblings, believing they had been trained by their mother to lie. "As a mother, the values she has taught them, it's hard for me to comprehend," she said. "I wouldn't want any of my children to lie for their own gain."

The verdict means Jackson will be free to try to rebuild his blighted musical career. But his legal victory came at a terrible price to his image.

Prosecutors branded him a deviant who used his playland as the ultimate pervert's lair, plying boys with booze and porn. Prosecution witnesses described other bizarre behavior by Jackson: They said he licked his accuser's head, simulated a sex act with a mannequin, kept dolls in bondage outfits on his desk.

Defense lawyers described Jackson as a humanitarian who wanted to protect kids and give them the life he never had while growing up as a child star. The boy had asked to meet the star when he thought he was dying of cancer.

The defense said the family exploited the boy's illness to shake down celebrities, then concocted the charges after realizing Jackson was cutting them off from a jet-set lifestyle that included limo rides and stays at luxurious resorts.

Jackson was cleared of 10 charges in all, including four counts that he molested the boy in early 2003. Jackson also was charged with providing the boy with wine — "Jesus juice," the pop star called it — and conspiring with members of his inner circle to hold the accuser and his family captive to get them to rebut a damaging documentary. Jurors also had to consider four lesser charges related to the alcohol counts, forcing them to render 14 verdicts in all.

The case was set in motion by the 2003 broadcast of the British TV documentary "Living With Michael Jackson" that Jackson had hoped would actually improve his image. In the program, Jackson held hands with the boy who would later accuse him, and he acknowledged sharing his bed with children, a practice he described as sweet and not at all sexual.

After the verdict, a weary Jackson retreated to Neverland where, according to his family, he went straight to bed. The entertainer, who appeared exhausted as he shuffled out of court, is "trying to get back his strength," said his father, Joe Jackson.

"I feel justice was done," Jackson's father said. "We thank the fans for supporting us."

As the verdict was read, Jackson sat motionless, as he did throughout the trial, only dabbing at his eyes with a tissue. One of his lawyers, Susan Yu, burst into tears. Some of the women on the jury also wept.

"I'm shaking," said Emily Smith, 24, of London, who was among the few lucky fans in Santa Maria who got courtroom passes to hear the reading of the verdicts. "I believe justice has been done today. I can't tell you how good it feels."

Rudey 06-14-2005 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Point taken, and I'm not doing it again.
I don't see a single black person saying you were racist or that you offended them in that vein.

-Rudey
--People cry wolf all the time; stand strong.

Rudey 06-14-2005 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by HBADPi
See thats what I thought too but we were discussing it at work and someone was telling me that his finances werent in that much trouble and how some of his celebrity friends like Trump had offered to help him out. I havent found anything that confirms that but I was wondering if anyone else had heard this too??

I too am hoping he'll have to sell his Beatles collection...

I think the Beatles assets are worth about $500MM. They were used as collaterall in a loan by Banc of America which then sold that loan to a private equity firm. Last I heard, his debt was about half that.

I also wonder if anyone has securitized the revenue stream from those records, but I'll leave that geeking for some other point in time.

-Rudey


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