How do u feel about gays and lesbians joining a greek letter organization?
 

I saw this topic on another board and felt that this would be an interesting topic to discuss:

Would u offer membership into your organization if an interest were gay or lesbian? Why or why not?

Here is a thread in which this was already discussed:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ght=homosexual

Since that thread was closed, I will post my opinion and keep going.

I am a gay black man who happens to be an Alpha. Real Brothers neither expect nor demand that I change. Alpha chose me for who I am and what I bring to the table.

Some of my Brothers would disagree, but there is no growth without dissension, now is there?

Sexual preference is not important, but what they will do for the organization is

I have no problem what so ever with homosexuals joining my organization. I would even go further and state that my fraternity (Sigma Phi Epsilon) have outlawed discrimination based on sexual preferences. In my eye, any chapter that discriminate based on sexual preference doesn't deserve the charter.

I personally don't care what someone's sexual preference is as long as they exhibit our principles.

What TheEptiome1920 said. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with dedication and integrity. Plus, if she'll remain active and remember the words and meaning behind the pledge, then it doesn't matter.

What they said!

Makes me no nevermind if they are lesbian.

ditto!

Fraternity vs. Sorority
 

Do you all feel that fratenities may have more of an issue accepting someone into their organization that was homosexual, then sorority members would

Or is it really hard to comment on?

Re: Fraternity vs. Sorority
 

From some of the things I have seen written on message boards, I would say yes. But the irony of it is, imo, that many frat members would be shocked at who their gay members are, because I would suspect that they are really DL. I know that my ex-brother-in-law's frat would be shocked that not only is he gay, but three of this LBs (out of ten) are, too.

this is my personal opinion and not that of the national bruh foundation.

i don't agree with it, so no i wouldn't endorse a homosexual into my frat.

Honesty is always the best policy.

you know me, mom...i don't hold my tounge

And that's why I luv ya!

I would hold a gay rushee to the same standard that I would hold any other rushee. If I thought he fit well with Kappa Sig, I would welcome him, and if not, he wouldn't get a bid. My opinion wouldn't be based on sexuality.

That's my personal opinion, as I'm sure there are Kappa Sigs out there who think differently.

strang21,

Hey what's up with your siggy? It has piqued my interest.

Back to the scheduled program........................

lol, it's famous quotes from our esteemed leader.

I am going to be honest. I prefer that our members be heterosexual but if not, it does not have any bearing on my love and respect for the person as a soror. What's most important is are they working for Delta.

Soror Ladygreek, you are so right about the DL.

honestly i would not vote for someone that was openly gay....now if i found out later that one of my sorors, ls's, lb's, frat was gay i would not look at them any differently or treat them differently.....but i would not have voted for them. i'm not homophobic, to each it's own, but i feel that there are many gay organizations available so why join Zeta :confused:

and these are just my thoughts and opinions......:)

I respect your opinion, but are you saying that if you are gay you should only join organizations with other gay people??

i'm not saying you should "only" join organizations with other gay people. (and in my next comment i'm only speaking of openly gay individuals) but why join an organization and then get upset or have your feelings hurt when everyone doesn't embrace you or accept your choice of lifestyle when you can join an organization with common views. and when i say openly gay, i'm speaking of individuals that wear their sexual prefence on their arm. i'm hetrosexual but i don't shout it from the mountain tops.

and in my comments and opinions, i do not mean to offend or upset anyone....these are just my personal views :D

Hmmm...

I think there is a misconception that hetreosexuals don't make their sexuality known. It's a form of privilege, in my opinion. We live in a society where being hetrosexual is the norm and majority so we don't have to shout from the rooftops that we are hetrosexual.

Too true... or as one Brother put it - Everone just assumes that anyone they meet is hetreo unless said person does, says or acts in a way to question thier sexual oreintation.

As for a gay man joining - it's a complicated issue; simplistically yes a gay man can and should join if they meet the ideals and expectations of the chapter/org.... and now the complicated point: if they are joining as a stunt, or try an pick up (within the chapter), or to purposefully "rock the boat" then i'd say no - because while none of the above are technically against the policies or ideals of LCA they are against the spirit in my opinion. I all boils down again to the basic concept of I tend to judge a person on who they are not what they are...

Straight privilege.....brilliant.

Epitome, I love you. :)

co sign, they know the deal when they join. they know they practice something that the majority of the members do not agree with. if they decide to pursue membership then they also know the risks doing such. ignorant as it may be.....it's the way it is. whether they like it or not.

I love you too Senusret! :D

Does your organization have a a disclaimer statement for homosexual brothers?? Join at your own risk?

I guess its probably a lot different for fraternities because of their homophobic tendencies.

no, it's not something mandated by the national organization...but the members themselves have their own feelings on the matter and chances are that the majority of the members are don't agree with nor condone this type of lifestyle. as i've said before, humans are hypocrites....we turn a blind eye to somethings and not to others.

I agree but can you seperate someone's sexuality from their person? Meaning, while I wouldn't judge someone solely on their sexuality I wouldn't try to ignore it either.

like i said....as ignorant as it may be, people who disagree vehemently with the lifestyle itself won't differentiate. especially with fraternity members who are many times extremely and sometimes overly masculine....they won't turn a blind eye to that as opposed to something else.

You can't ignore someones sexuality, as it is a part of what makes them who they are - what they chose to do with what they are is another matter.

In the majority of cases I do seperate sexual orientation from a person's character (although we've all met those people - straight, bi, or gay whose character is their sexuality and thats all the character they have). I guess I do this because in part I don't view sexual orientation as a choice but rather a biological expression.... now how someone conducts themselves in regards to their sexuality I will judge, as that to me usually is a fine indicator of character.

righto!

one joins an organization for the ideal and principals, not for the single social scene.

i do respect those that disagreed with homosexuality, but in the old thread i agree with sistergreek AKA2D

and i quote:

REGARDING HOMOSEXUALS: I'm not knocking it for those who are, it's your business what your preference(s) is/are. But the thing we have to realize is HOW many homosexuals have we gripped, hugged, stepped, or locked up with and don't even know it? Let me break it down even more, what about our friends that we have done all of that with who are gay/lesbian and we don't even know about it? Will that affect our image of them? (that's another subject...lol) Shucks, the leaders of our organizations could be gay/lesbian, who knows?

:cool:

this is has been the most sensable thing i read ever on greekchat.

And there you have it.

i think the most important quality in a brother or sister of a GLO is Dedication. If you are devoted to your affiliation you sexual orientation should never matter. and its ironic this topic got posted because my friend from clark recently told me that him and his LB had an "experiences" recently. but out in the open they are the "ladies men". so you never know who is doing what. all that matters IMO is that the person remember they are apart of XYC and they uphold the duties they pledged for :)

Wouldn't this be somewhat similar to saying that African Americans should only join BGLOs? The same argument could be made that "predominately white" org members shouldn't vote for blacks b/c they could join an org. where members have common views rather than joining one where feelings might get hurt when you aren't fully embraced.

Also, I understand that these are just your thoughts and feelings, so I'm not trying to "come at you". I just have questions.

I dont think that its a problem as far as membership goes.

It doesnt make them any less of a person or pledgee.

I think that as long as someone is willing to work for what they want and continue to work during their membership then i think its cool.

thats like, not letting black people into ADPi or soething like that.

We need to stop this discrimination before it kills us.

View on gay members...
 

As long as they represent the high ideals of my org. I don't have a problem.

But they must respect the fact that other brothers/sisters might not want to hang out with them. Heck not everybody in your org is going to like you for one reason or another. Just like straight members should respect the feelings of others in the org. ,they have to realize that not everybody is going to vibe with that.

But if a man is willing to work for Sigma then I welcome him.

I think the problem is that there's a misconception along the lines that a gay member is automatically joining to bone every brother/sister in the chapter and that's just isn't true.

You don't have to have sex to be homosexual. Being gay/lesbian is strictly about the gender you prefer to hold a "romantic" relationship with. They're not out to screw every guy/girl they meet. What alot of people who are against it seem to feel that most gays/lesbians can seperate the org from their "lust".


Just my 19.14 cents. hope it was well spent.

I don't he a problem with lesbian sorors. They are still sorors.
However, I would have a huuuuuuge problem if a transgender individual wanted to join. I also think that if a soror decides to "become a man," she should be expelled from Delta.

Ooo that's deep. I never thought about a transgender person wanting to join a GLO. I don't think I would be comfortable with that either. I think Imma have to agree with my sistergreek on this one. If a soror changes her gender and becomes a man then she's not a soror anymore.....at least not to me.