"hell night"
 

found this while looking at a friends webshots album...

http://community.webshots.com/album/187272163KylDFu

Not to mention the drinking in the "Bid Night" album... wherefore art thou, NPC Manual of Information?

I've seen this album before. A lot of other girls from this chapter also have pictures from hell night up on their webshots albums. I think that not only is it a risk management issue, but it's also an issue of the girls' stupidity if they're gonna put pictures like that up for all the world to see.

eeek....
a bit stupid to put it all over the internet

I'm surprised they're nationals hasn't seen that... are they a national sorority?

The girls are wearing ASA shirts, so yes, they're NPC. I don't know from which chapter, though.

Bloomsburg University
 

The photos are of the Bloomsburg University chapter. The college name is evident in their composite and the composite of the AChiRho chapter in many background photos...Plus, the photo book owner has actually used the pledges real names on the photos...

Did you check out their photos from Bid Night in the other photo album? Did they not think that people could see the pictures of them "pre-gaming at Gena's" funneling beer? I think that in 90% pf the pictures they all have a beer bottle or alcohol bottle in hand...

I'm not trying to judge them, but isn't this the kind of stereotype that GLO's are trying to dispel?

This isn't gonna turn out well......

Is it just me, or does the very last picture show a fairly well established bar?

I sort of suspect that this "Hell Night" was at a fraternity house instead of the sorority house.

A couple of University of Colorado sororities were busted for hazing a couple of years ago -- but the events were at fraternity houses.

I saw other webshots albums from girls in that same chapter. From what my understanding of them was, the events were held at the sorority house, and afterward they just had a party with a fraternity in the fraternity house.

Honestly, there is sooo much stuff that people put in their online photo accounts that could get their chapter into trouble. I can count three different sororities on my campus alone that have pictures of themselves drinking in the house, etc. up in their webshots accounts.

I wouldn't be surprised if nationals started to take action based on reports using online photo albums as evidence. I know there is a group on my campus whose nationals monitored their partypics.com account and would punish them for any violations caught on film.

Honestly, how stupid do you have to be to put pictures of yourselves online when you're clearly doing something against the rules of your organization. And it's not like this is some minor infraction, either . . .

Funny, a group at my school just had to argue with the PartyPics.com people to get some questionable photos removed before their national personal caught them. If you're going to break the rules at least attempt to be "stealth" ;)

Our chapter has an established media policy where individual members can only post content (like pictures) on the web when it's been approved by our exec.

Some of the photos were taken at an ATO house and an AChiRho house on Bloomsburg U. However, a number of the photos from hell night and Bid day were obviously in their house/suite. Their composites are on the wall and signs all over the place...

damn, for a hell night...they sure look happy.

i thought it's supposed to last a couple of weeks?

:o

Our Greek Affairs office employs someone for the sole purpose of monitoring online picture albums, Facebook pictures, etc. looking for alcohol and hazing violations. Four sororities are on probation for online album-related issues.

Not to mention that our university's Judicial Affairs is monitoring pictures as well. People have gotten in trouble for violating alcohol policy just for drinking in a picture when they're known to be under 21.

I can't believe these girls are putting these pictures up.

It's crazy! Now that I've read this thread/see those pictures, I understand why my school's Panhel is so strick about the pictures we keep on our chapter websites/online pictures/Facebook! Our website cooridinator put up pictures that were very appropriate but girls had cups (from dinner or something like that) and all of those pictures had to be cropped/removed. Have guys in pictures or pictures that you can see fraternities' letters in also can't be up. But, I completely agree with the seemingly-stupid rules now; I would never want my school or my organization to be seen in such as way.

LOL CarolinaCutie ! The NPC Unanimous Agreement that forbids alcohol or men at membership recruitment and Bid Day activities is posted online on the NPC site in the "Policies" section. (Not every Unanimous Agreement is posted, but for some reason :) that one is.)

And another thought: does this mean that Alexandra Robbins could have illustrated her book with pictures, but didn't do enough research? OR was the publisher too cheap to cover the extra printing costs? :D

My question continues to be why do people continue to think that the internet is so anonymous? I am not advocating hazing activities at all but for the love of god, why post pictures like this for the world to see? I don't understand how people can be so DUMB!

Some GLO chapters' web sites have a "Chapter Members Only" side that is password protected where party pictures can be posted.

While I am sure they are not doing any thing illegal, :rolleyes: they do this so the chapter's "party side" is not seen in what may be considered a bad way.

How recent are these pictures? I didn't view the whole thing so I didn't get to see when they were first uploaded.

Is this chapter still open?

Spring Pledge Class 2004
 

The girls in the photos are the Spring 2004 pledge class and yes, the chapter is still open according to their website (and the national site).

And yes, Pennsylvania has an anti-hazing law (it's a 3rd degree felony). Plus, if these pledges were drinking (most likely all under 21) that is against the law of both the state and the university...

Well, if that is the case, Mumms is the word!:D

Do Not Drink! Do Not Get Screwed Up!!!! Do Not Act Totally Stupid! People will find out and Post it!:cool:

Hmm, thought it was supposed to be called something else?

*Waiting for member of that chapter to register on GC and defend their actions....*

First a member of that chapter would have to realize that their pics got posted on GC.

It's Alpha Chi Rho or Crows NOT AChiRho. If you don't know the proper nickname, don't make one up.

Well, I'm an alum (not of that chapter) and there's no way I'm defending their actions.

However I do have a few things to point out:
The only thing in the entire thread that suggests hazing is the "hell night" title and the blindfolds...other then that the rest of those pics are nothing that didn't happen at any band party I went to...there's nothing showing that they are forcing those girls to drink (and I bet there's not many on this board who never drank before they were 21, however, they didn't decide to post pics of it either)
Also, I don't believe that ASA has any national "drinking in letters" policy, but I do see that they are drinking in the house (unless they have their composits someplace else).

Is there a way to email the user? I'd like to send a nice freindly Alum to sister letter.:p :p

Discotish, you sure seem to know a lot about this incident? Just curious as to how?

You're also incorrect about the law. It's a third degree MISDEMEANOR, not a FELONY like you said. HUGE difference. 24 PS 5353 is the statute.

33girl and AlphaFrog, are blindfolds typically used in your official New Member period?

But this *ISN'T* your typical band party. Do you honestly have no problem with these girls doing all these things in YOUR letters?

I think a lot of us are giving a shit because it puts EVERYONE in a bad light, and this stupidity is just confirming the negative opinions already out there.

We work so hard to educate others on the positive things that Greeks do. All that gets thrown out the window when we see bullshit like this.

If I were an ASA, I'd email the user just in case she doesn't know what's going on. Pray that no one in your EO has already seen it.

I saw these pictures online about a year ago. If EO had seen them, they would have taken action by now.

None of the blindfolded girls are wearing letters, and there is a Phi Iota Chi (local Bloomsburg sorority) banner in the background - so I have no way of knowing whether the ones in blindfolds have any affiliation with ASA or not. This could be a dual sorority event, those are quite common there.

And as I have stated numerous times before, I have zero problem with anyone drinking in letters. If you think drinking is bad and disgraces your GLO, you shouldn't do it in letters or out of them.

Yeah, after the catsuits and lingerie....:p ;)

Seriously, I do have a problem with it b/c our chapter went overboard the other direction, and we still got closed (not for Risk Mgmt, but it still sucks). We wanted to do cool things for Big sis reveal but everything we thought of we thought of SOME reason that it could possibly be hazing.

I'm not going to lie...would I have a problem if they were drinking in a bar in letters as long as they were behaving and NOT posting it on the internet? No. The problem comes for me is that it's at the chapter house and there are pics on the internet.

I've tried to find an email address and I can't. I even went to that chapter's website and I can't find one for any of the girls.

AlphaFrog, you could maybe find the chapter president's or Risk Management Chair's (if ASA has such a position) email through your nationals.

Jess I pmed you :)

The proper parties have been contacted regarding this website, but thank you all for your concern.

Someone mentioned that they wondered what chapter it was and I saw that in the composite pictures that it was the Bloomsburg University Chapter. They have a chapter website that has all their pledge class information ...

Thanks for pointing that out..I admit my mistake! :rolleyes:

Not to spilt hairs but its AChiRho here @ Penn State. Carry on. :)

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with this. I know all national offices are different... but whether or not it was determined that the chapter was actually hazing, my org's "powers that be" would put the smackdown on this photo album with a quickness.

As an ASA alum, I'm a little perturbed (sp) by the fact that Nationals knows about this yet hasn't had them take down the pictures. Having them on a private website is their perogative, but in full view of the public is not a good idea.

I'm sorry, but none of those girls seemed to be having a bad time and none of them seemed in danger at any time from the pictures. I don't see how this is an issue.

You never do -- and I understand why, and agree with you regarding these particular pictures.

The bottom line is that it's an issue for the ASA Nationals -- and could very well be against the law. Being "in danger" is not necessarily part of the definition of hazing.

Not matter how dumb the law is.

It is safe to bet, though, that if this really is a "hell night" pre-initiation ceremony or whatever, that at least some if not all of the young women shown drinking beer are under age.

That, for sure, is illegal.