Sooners coach resigns over racist remarks
 

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...llcoachresigns

*sigh*

what I don't like is the bs he said in the resignation letter about it not being representative of his personal values yada yada yada. Come on now. If that were trie none of this would have happened.

Re: Sooners coach resigns over racist remarks
 

Exactly!! Sooooo why would you say something you didn't believe in?

He said he's a "good black kid" right? Was there more than that?

I don't see what him being black has to do with anything but is it racist in your opinions?

-Rudey

Based upon the article he said something else but they won't say what.

I don't see why he had to point out that the player was Black either.

Making racial and ethnic minorities who achieve exceptions of their race is a classic racist tactic.

I will say his comments were stupid and insensitive. I don't know the coach to say he is racist and we may never know his intentions.

Sidebar: Even if his comments had racist motivations and he is a racist, it doesn't make the coach a bad person. Contemporary racism isn't about "bad people."

You never know. Common phrases like "I'm gonna beat your white/black ass" are used often by people of all races. It's not like he said all blacks are bad and this kid is good or anything.

But yeah, you're right, he probably said something else and we can't see what it is.

-Rudey

"Good black kid" entails that he is more than a good kid, he's a...good black kid. :D

What makes a "good black kid" better or more rare than a "good kid?"

The article I initially read on this came from ESPN.com and you can find it here: http://www.greeksource.com/gcforums/...threadid=66153

Another article
 

Uh...he said a ittle more than he iis a good Black kid.


Baseball coach Cochell hasn't been suspended


ESPN.com news services

The University of Oklahoma is conducting an investigation after ESPN informed the school of racially-insensitive comments made to the network by OU's head baseball coach Larry Cochell.

Although Cochell remains head coach, assistant coach Sunny Golloway will serve on an interim basis until the matter is resolved, according to a statement released by the school. Golloway coached the Sooners in their 8-1 loss to Nebraska Friday night.

Tuesday, before the telecast of the Oklahoma-Wichita State game on ESPN2 and ESPNU, Cochell used a racially-insensitive term in off-camera interviews with ESPN to describe Sooners freshman outfielder Joe Dunigan, an African-American.

Cochell was speaking with play-by-play announcer Gary Thorne when he called Dunigan over to praise him for staying in school. When the freshman returned to the field, Cochell told Thorne, "There's no n----- in him." The network informed the school that Cochell used similar language in an interview with ESPN analyst Kyle Peterson.

University officials weren't informed of the remarks until 4 p.m. Friday, when they were contacted by ESPN, according to school's statement.

"It is widely known that one of the most important values of the University of Oklahoma and its leadership is to celebrate diversity as a strength," athletic director Joe Castiglione said. "This university is a place where everyone is respected. Clearly, if these comments were made they run contrary to the core values of this institution and we will treat them very seriously."

Cochell, who has been head coach since 1991 and led the Sooners to a College World Series title in 1994, couldn't immediately be reached Friday night for comment.

In a statement released by the university, Cochell apologized for his remarks.

"I am deeply sorry for any pain or embarrassment I have caused for any individual or the university. Our university family is totally committed to equality and mutual respect," he said. "I personally hold those values and will always regret that my careless use of language did not reflect my own values, and it certainly did not reflect the values of the University of Oklahoma."

Cochell was in the dugout Thursday night when Oklahoma beat Nebraska 5-1 in Big 12 Conference play.

He coached at Oral Roberts, where he took the team to seven NCAA regional appearances and a trip to the College World Series in 1978.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

:eek:

I figured it was the "n" word. That'll get cha fired EVERYtime,lol.

Re: Another article
 

That doesn't change anything.

-Rudey
--I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

The rest of that quote was "There are honkies and white people. And there are n-----s and black people. Dunigan is a good black kid."

So this brings up a good point.

If this coach insulted both whites and blacks, is he a racist?

I'm not saying he is or isn't ignorant.

Just based on this comment, that discusses black and white people, then how does it make him seem?

-Rudey

Interesting distinction. Didn't Chris Rock say something similar?

I understand your point but the "h" word doesn't have the same history that the "n" word does.

Right. So does anyone think Chris was a racist?

-Rudey

Maybe not. I put the definition below because I didn't really know what it meant. But is that racism or ignorance that he thinks they are the same?

hon·ky or hon·kie also hon·key ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hôngk, hng-)
n. Offensive Slang pl. hon·kies, also hon·keys
Used as a disparaging term for a white person.


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[Possibly blend of Wolof honq, red, pink, of light complexion, and hunky1.]

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honky

n : offensive names for a White man [syn: whitey, honkey, honkie]

-Rudey

It makes him seem like an idiot, and regardless of what he thinks about people of any race, he should have known better than to say anything and to use offensive language.

Hmm... I'm not quite sure how to label this incident. I think a lot of White folks have these opinions about Black folks but in trying to be PC they figure out other ways to express them. He just wasn't as tactful and lost his job!

Nope.

With the history of the "n" word in this country, he should've known better.

He was making a distinction between different types of blacks and whites. A smart person wouldn't have tried (at least not publicly...people do all sorts of things privately) to make that distinction in the first place.

I don't think he is racist (although he does remind me of an Archie Bunker...who was racist towards nonwhites even IF he also said things to offend whites). I think he should've resigned because he is ignorant and inappropriate toward whites and blacks.

Idiot does not mean racist.

-Rudey

But it seems it's not just black folks that he has these opinions about.

-Rudey

I didn't say it was. Chaos articulated it better than I did a few posts up.

I don't read what she writes. But anyway, the thread started out as saying this guy was racist. And you said he was an idiot. I just wanted to push and see whether people really see him or his words as racist.

-Rudey

I believe he still has me on ignore. :D

Which is funny when it comes to topics that I know more about than he does. :D

The strangest part of this incident is that neither the kid referred to in this situation nor his parents thought the coach should resign - and neither did the only other African American member of the team, and his parents. I can't imagine why they would feel this way, but according to espn.com, both students and both sets of parents were not happy to see the coach resign.

Regardless, the man displayed some intense stupidity - apparently there was some debate within espn on how to report the situation. It'll be interesting to see how/if this develops further.

Exactly!! There is a time and a place and unfortunately for him he did not know how to make the distinction. Oh, but I bet he has learned his lesson. The next time he feels the need to explain the difference between a n***** and a black kid, he'll think not once, not twice, but three times.

He should have known speaking to the press like that was a no-no and since he obviously did not, that is what makes him the idiot.

GOOD RIDDANCE DUMMY!:p

Probably because they knew his character and felt what he was saying may be dumb but not racist?

Probably because they don't let political correctness influence their sound judgement on this guy?

-Rudey

Political Correctness???? I am so SICK of people using that phrase and labeling people based on it as if it is something wrong with it. There is right and there is wrong. Is it right or wrong to insult people and put them down by the use of a term that is solely used to deminish people because of their race? Why is it that people who tout that it IS wrong are somehow made to feel bad because they want to dissuade the mainstream from engaging in that kind of insulting speech/behavior.

Its so funny that in this country where so many folks are out there talking about "doing what's right" (i.e. Iraq) and treating people with dignity and respect and so-called conservative bs like "colorblind, merit based society" and that that crap, there are SO many people on whom this concept is lost. Its like a lot of Americans can see the legitimacy of fighting and DYING for the sake of people in a totally different country, for exampe, for their right to be treated with respect and not put down and mistreated, but in this country, those who preach the same toward people right here are denounced uder the evil words "political correctness" It's rediculous.


As for this idiot coach, all this talk about he should have known better and its 2005 and maybe he isn't racist blah bla blah. Its a bunch of bull. This is exactly the problem in this country...and other parts of the world. Freedom of speech vs/ moral responsibility is at the core of all this. Yes, of course the man can say what he wants, but the problem is that so many whites in this country feel comfortable feeling this way and thinking this way about non-whites and in particular black people that to call them out on it causes more of a problem than the racist views. Now he may have resigned, but with the political climate in America right now and the anti-political correctness movement that has been expressed by rudey, I think that there is a larger mass of people who do not see anything wrong with the essence of what he said. They may not be very vocal about it, but they are there and it is THAT reality of the minds of the people in America that I think is the root for the persisting divisions in this country, not those who are trying to keep that kind of language out of the mainstream, or what you call "political correctness".

Please read what I wrote before you jump to conclusions and write lengthy Sunday sermons.

Comment on what he said specifically and the fact that he talked about whites and blacks in that tone and how the black players wanted him as their coach. Others did.

And don't make this a conversation where you throw in irrelevant and insignificant terms like "conservative bs" and talk on and on about Iraq.

-Rudey

Well, then blacks themselves need to stop using the "n word."

It's so stupid that it's okay to call each other that, but not for a white person to call anyone that. The double standards need to stop.

As a personal note, I think he was a jerk, not for what he said, but how he acts. (He's a lousy tipper too.)

And as a personal note to DST: You are way too up in arms about any racial comment. Anytime I see the word "racist" in a thread, I'm like, "uh-oh, where's DSTCHAOS?"

Don't tell me what to write. This is MY thread and I will write whatever I want. You don't like it? Too bad.

It's so stupid that it's okay to call each other that, but not for a white person to call anyone that. The double standards need to stop.

If you are itching that much to use the word, use it. I could care less. And I wonder if you ever actually READ/listen to what it is DSTCHAOS says about race issues. They may not mean anything to you, but that has nothing to do with how other people regard issues like that.

"Time ta go":eek:

*packing up a guitar like the man in Color Purple, right before Sophia pimp slapped Squeek*

Good way to avoid the points discussed.

-Rudey
--"This is my sandbox. You get out"

Haha, wow.


kstar, that is a very, very simplistic way of looking at things. Personally, I would love to hear the n-word eradicated from everyone's vocabulary as well, because it's an ugly word that's hard for me to hear. However, that's not my decision to make. There are plenty of women who feel the same way, for example, about the words "bitch," "slut," and "ho," all of which I use to affectionately refer to my female friends even though I would be irate if some guy called them that, even as a joke. One of my friends and I recently had a discussion about throwing around the word "slut" -- it makes her uncomfortable, I don't mind it. But it's a complex issue that involves reclaiming the word and making it less painful, and there are similar issues with the n-word. It's not simply a "double standard," and I don't think that's a particular hard concept to grasp. (Then again, I've contemplating changing my GC sig to "WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT 'HISTORICAL CONTEXT'?" just about every time a racial discussion flares up, yet people still seem to find that pretty difficult to grasp, too.)

The difference is the usage of a similar comment to refer to whites along with support from black team members including the one remarked on.

-Rudey