any "nice" conservatives out there?
 

Hi Everyone,
I go to a pretty small school with a large liberal population. I find that many times the conservatives on this campus have been very unreceptive and plain nasty to anything that's liberal. I myself am probably somewhere in the middle, leaning towards the left. And I can say that I'm pretty tolerant of people, no matter what their political viewpoint. But, personally this is getting to be a little much. Has anyone experienced this at their schools? And are there any conservatives out there that can say they are not like this? Please help me believe you still exist.

No, there are no nice conservatives anywhere. They all kick puppies and run over little kids' tricycles in their spare time.

:rolleyes:

In fact I think I will suplex you!

-Rudey

Re: any "nice" conservatives out there?
 

That's the definition of a liberal - at least in Canada...

I GIS'ed for "bitch please" and this is what I got:

http://roxanne.typepad.com/photos/un...s_my_coach.jpg


So I think, to answer your questions, "No."

Now go to the poor house and save some trees, hippy.

I'm sorry to say these people are correct - all of us are horrible, vile people.

Now I'm going downtown to beat up some liberals. Anyone want to come with me?

Laugh if you care to, oh foolish ones, but does this give you an inkling of how "Conservatives" are viewed by we simple mortals?

About the same way as conservatives view liberals in Boston?

Fixed.

Sorry, but you can't add tacky to what already is.

Just to respond to this and what KSig RC said: I honestly don't think I'm making pre-judgements about a group of people based on my interactions with a select few. I merely wanted to start a discussion about intolerance of people based on a particular political affilation. Can we get back to that? Or, once again, have GC-ers gotten completely off topic?

The intolerance of the liberals, as demonstrated by the Democrats:

1 - not a single pro-life speaker at the Dem Convention
2 - believing anything Michael Moore says
3 - calling Al Franken's radio show "talk radio"
4 - blaming every failure of the welfare state on "not enough money, not enough staff, and not enough time"
5 - claiming the media is biased against liberals

hoosier is not a nice conservative.

Lil' Hannah is the typical lib, as proved by her signature:

"I just walk along and stroll and sing,
I see better days and I do better things"

But actually just posts personal attacks.

It's true. It's all so very true.

You guys, I can already tell this thread is going to be awesome.


Thanks for making my Thursday grrrreat!

Is Al Franken talking during his radio show? If it isn't a talk radio show, what is it then?

-You know a number of conservatives "at your school", which I'm assuming is a very small number of conservatives. (note that for our purposes, even 2000 would be a small number)

-These people are isolated into one geographical area.

-You are correlating personality traits ("nice") with political beliefs or affiliation.

-You are then extending a subjective analysis of this small group's personality on all other people with the same political affiliation.

Before, I posted in a sarcastic fashion, for the sake of irony, as I am an economic conservative - however, I think it's clear that you are, at least in a sense, making a bizarre and unfair generalization here. There are plenty of kind conservatives, just as there are massive numbers of compassionate liberals. The ones that are the most vocal and 'in-your-face' are, at the same time, the least 'nice' and most recognizable . . . don't extend these peoples' personalities onto everyone. It's gross and unnecessary stereotyping.

-RC
--I'm taking this post in earnest, so if you're a sock puppet I'll be heated

This right here has made my Thursday too. LOLOLOLOL
Bless you Google Image Search.

BTW....I'm a nice conservative. :)

***adjusting halo***

Exactly!

It really confuses me why I am expected to completely ignore my own beliefs and opinions just so I can be tolerant of others. I am waiting for the day when a liberal will finally show a little tolerance towards my beliefs.

Why would you have to ignore your own beliefs to be tolerant of someone else's beliefs? That doesn't make sense.

There are a million different examples I can use to try to explain myself but I'm sure that someone's probably going to react negatively. I'm really nervous about getting into a conversation like this b/c I got cornered into one like this last semester in one of my classes but here goes.......

For example....
I believe that I should be able to express by religious views anywhere, have the ability to pray wherever etc... but because I might offend someone I have to ignore my beliefs and be tolerant of someone elses. Why can't that person be tolerant of me and say i don't agree with you but we'll allow you to express your beliefs. But the reality is instead of allowing me to express my beliefs more laws are being made to eliminate me from expressing my beliefs or I'm only allowed to have

Time, place, and manner restrictions have always existed in this country, they're nothing new.

Curious about what you mean by "express your religious beliefs".

If you think you should have the right to run your mouth about your religous beliefs everywhere, why don't I have the right to quiet enjoyment of wherever we are without having to listen to you try to force your beliefs on others.

Conservatives have been putting time, place, and manner restrictions on viewpoints they don't agree with for many decades. But now that they're being applied to conservatives as well, all of the sudden they're not okay?

Well I don't "run my mouth" about my religious beliefs everywhere. I keep my beliefs to myself, but the point is that I should be able to live my beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me.

as far as examples of expressing religious beliefs...example... there are little kids who get in trouble if they are minding their own business and are praying at school.

My whole point is is that I shouldn't have to agree with anyone so I'll become more quote un quote tolerant. I would rather be labeled intolerant than be labeled as the type of person who would abandon their own beliefs and opinons just because someone didn't agree.

Documentation please?

And has that happened to you?

Well then you don't make any sense whatsoever here. If you keep your beliefs to yourself, how aren't you allowed to live them? I'm confused.

And I also agree that we should all be able to live our beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me. And that includes conservative Christian beliefs.

That's the beauty of time, place, and manner restrictions are a good thing.

You want it both ways:
You first say that "I should be able to express by religious views anywhere, have the ability to pray wherever etc"

But then you say "I should be able to live my beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me."

So you think that you should be able to express YOUR beliefs however/whenever you feel but that others that don't share your beliefs shouldn't be able to?

You should come to NYC because you can pray on the subway or the street out loud. People will either ignore you or look at you like you're crazy, but most people won't stop you unless a police officer asks you to move it along. I'm not joking. It happens all the time on the subway. :)

First, I'd like to apologize for the title of this post or how it may have been worded. I didn't want this conversation to end up being about whether conservatives are nice or not -- that would be absurd. Instead, I wanted to discuss tolerance issues that people may have in regards to political affiliation -- despite whether you're liberal or conservative. Thankfully, it's turning more into that and am beginning to enjoy some of your comments.

Finally, I'd like to say that I don't think all conservatives are unkind. In fact, there are some pretty nasty liberals around here as well. But I've seen more examples of this intolerance from conservatives on this campus. This could be because they are such a small minority and feel apprehensive towards a constant bombardment of liberal ideals in this area. I don't know. But I would like to know if anyone feels like this on their campus.

p.s. I did take this post seriously and am not a sock puppet -- whatever that means.

I agree with you in a way. The problem is that each side wants its way without having to give the other side theirs too. There will always be laws/people/opposing views that place constraints on me. The only thing that gives me the freedom to speak openly anywhere about my faith with you is that you have the freedom to tell me to stop trying to force my beliefs on you.

The rights of the people who disagree with you are what guarantees your own rights. Did I make any sense? I've been awake for a very long time...

I'm not speaking for all conservatives here, so don't take this as a blanket statement or reason.

Tolerance or agreement? This is a line that can sometimes be very blurry, and for that reason, some conservatives may err on the side of holding on to what they value.
I will always tolerate someone's right to make a choice that I may vehemently oppose, but that doesn't mean I agree with the choice they're making.

As my friend said at a rally on campus a few years ago: "I'm tolerant. I'm tolerating that protestor's sign right now."

More people need to realize that difference. Not allowing schools to conduct formal prayers according to some administrator's choice of which prayer is said (which is the thing that's illegal) is not the same as a kid bowing his head to say grace to himself before he eats lunch in the cafeteria. There is nothing to stop that child from doing that and if anybody did stop them from doing that, the ACLU would probably be all over that too. I pray all over the place. Nobody can legislate my thoughts and I can converse with God any time I please.

Keeping abortion legal doens't mean forcing anybody to have one. Those who don't agree simply don't get them, don't date people who want them to get one (or who would get one), don't donate money to agencies that support it, etc. It simply allows other people the option of free will. It also doesn't mandate doctors to perform them. Only those who choose to perform them do so. Same with the staff in the clinics.

Allowing gay marriages doesn't affect anybody else in any way, shape or form. Nobody is going to force anybody else to marry someone of their own sex. People will choose to do this on their own. Nobody can force a church to perform the marriage. Churches can refuse to marry anybody they don't want to marry.

Drinking is legal for me, but I choose not to do it these days (because it makes me sick). That doesn't mean I believe in Prohibition.

I consider myself liberal simply because I think people should be able to choose whether or not to do all the above things, whether I personally believe or would choose to do them myself.

Dee

Hey MTSUGRL,
I'm gonna have to say tolerance. I may not agree with a lot of viewpoints out there in the world, but I respect the fact that people may believe certain viewpoints. However, I think my original post was just a reaction to certain people's intolerance of viewpoints and putting down those with such viewpoints, instead of merely disagreeing with them.

And yet again, I agree with everything that this very smart lady has to say.

Here here.

Now this makes more sense than your original post. You had it worded in a way that made a blanket statement about conservatives. Unfortunately, that's something that happens a lot on this site on both sides (conservatives stereotyping liberals, liberals stereotyping conservatives).

The point that people miss, as AGDee so eloquently put, is that there are shades of thought. I'm conservative on a number of issues; however, I'm pro-choice and against any ammendments banning gay marriage.

The point people have to remember is that there's stereotyping on BOTH sides, including on this site. Both Republicans and Democrats can be (and have been) nasty to each other.

I am a Conservative and I am also very nice.

Ask anyone who matters; they'll tell ya :)

I think an important concept to remember is that tolerance of others' ideas and viewpoints is extremely difficult - it requires a level of perspective most people simply aren't willing to achieve. For that reason, many won't be tolerant of others . . . which is intellectually lazy at best.

Personally, I can identify with your feelings in a way - I don't associate well with either party, in one sense or another. I am extremely liberal with regard to social issues, fairly Libertarian in my views on government interaction with the daily lives of the people, and conservative in terms of fiscal matters and the size of the government. I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-secular government, and registered as a Republican.

One thing that's important to remember is to not ignore an idea or concept just because the people promoting it are jackasses - then, you're just as bad as the intolerant people you're railing against. Instead, utilize every outlet you can find to learn the most about a particular issue or idea, relate it to your personal feelings and beliefs, and decide for yourself - put yourself on a higher level from those who clown based on political affiliation. At that point, you can truly speak with perspective, which no one can fault you for in the least.

You know what would be nice? a thread listing sock puppets. I get confused sometimes.

Very well said.

Do we have enough room for that??:p