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L.O.C.K. 04-07-2005 05:18 AM

Definition
 
What defines a Fraternity or Sorority as "National" if it is not part of any sort of council(NIC, NPC, NPHC, NALFO)?

Thanks

moe.ron 04-07-2005 09:40 AM

There is no set criteria that is accepted across the board. Anybody can call themselve a national fraternity or sorority if they wanted to. Of course, if you only have one chapter, it would look foolish.

ladygreek 04-07-2005 09:59 AM

Re: Definition
 
Quote:

Originally posted by L.O.C.K.
What defines a Fraternity or Sorority as "National" if it is not part of any sort of council(NIC, NPC, NPHC, NALFO)?

Thanks

If it is incorporated as such.

WCUgirl 04-07-2005 10:18 AM

For my sorority, we "went national" in 1902 when we founded our Beta chapter. I certainly agree w/ moe.ron that if you have only one chapter, you're not national.

DeltAlum 04-07-2005 11:13 AM

Cheat the system. Establish your Beta chapter in Canada. Then you can be an International -- with only two chapters.

KSigkid 04-07-2005 11:15 AM

It probably depends on the organization itself. If an organization has a chapter in the northeast and southwest and wants to call itself "National," I believe it is free to do that.

I don't think there is any set criteria an org must follow to become "National," although I would think you'd want solid representation across the country before making that claim.

TheEpitome1920 04-07-2005 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by ariesrising
My way of thinking has been:

One chapter - Local
Multiple chapters in one state - State
Chapters in different states in the same region - Regional
Chapters in different states in different regions - National
Chapters in different countries - International

And I don't look at how many - like if you had one chapter in Cali and one in NY, I would consider that National.

That's been my thinking too. But I know of a sorority that only has chapters in 2 states (that are side by side) and it considers itself national.

LatinaAlumna 04-07-2005 05:15 PM

I agree with Ariesrising.

TSteven 04-07-2005 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ariesrising
My way of thinking has been:

One chapter - Local
Multiple chapters in one state - State
Chapters in different states in the same region - Regional
Chapters in different states in different regions - National
Chapters in different countries - International

And I don't look at how many - like if you had one chapter in Cali and one in NY, I would consider that National.

I would agree with ariesrising's definition above with this additional criteria.

Any State or Regional organization that is a member of a national or international umbrella organization - NALFO, NMGC, NPC, NPHC, NIC - would also be considered National.

TSteven 04-07-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by BetaRose
That's how I see it for the most part. The big difference is that if a group has 2 nearby chapters and still wanted to be called a local, I'll call them a local. More than 2 however, and i stop calling them local, no matter what they call themselves.
I would agree with this *if* the two chapters operate independently of each other from an operational (management) position/situation.

However, if two chapters share some sort of organizational leadership that covers both chapters, then that does not seem to fit the definition of Local. They would either be State or Regional, as the case may be.

L.O.C.K. 04-07-2005 06:57 PM

OK, with that being said...

Our Fraternity has 18 Chapters... 9 in NY State, 1 in NJ, 1 in Mass, 2 in PA, 1 in OH, 1 in CA, 1 in FL, 1 in MD, 1 in DC.

Can that be considered National? We are not part of any National Council, so that's why I am wondering.

Lambda Phi Epsilon calls itself the only National Asian Fraternity, and it is a member of the NIC. However, we are not, neither are we in NALFO or NPHC. So, can we just call ourselves National??

SapphireSphinx9 04-07-2005 07:01 PM

I would think that qualifies you as a National organization... But I don't know the "rules and regulations" of it all.

eta:
(Taken from the Phi Sigma Sigma website)
Phi Sigma Sigma became a true national sorority when Zeta Chapter was installed in 1921 at the University of California at Los Angeles.
In 1930, Phi Sigma Sigma became an international sorority with the founding of Upsilon Chapter at the University of Manitoba, Manitoba, Canada.

ladygreek 04-07-2005 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by L.O.C.K.
OK, with that being said...

Our Fraternity has 18 Chapters... 9 in NY State, 1 in NJ, 1 in Mass, 2 in PA, 1 in OH, 1 in CA, 1 in FL, 1 in MD, 1 in DC.

Can that be considered National? We are not part of any National Council, so that's why I am wondering.

Lambda Phi Epsilon calls itself the only National Asian Fraternity, and it is a member of the NIC. However, we are not, neither are we in NALFO or NPHC. So, can we just call ourselves National??

Do you have national articles of incorporation? An org with just one chapter may file as such in anticipation of expansion.

Also in the case of the D9, the initial members were incorporated as national orgs before the NPHC was formed. So one really had nothing to do with the other.

Tom Earp 04-07-2005 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by L.O.C.K.
OK, with that being said...

Our Fraternity has 18 Chapters... 9 in NY State, 1 in NJ, 1 in Mass, 2 in PA, 1 in OH, 1 in CA, 1 in FL, 1 in MD, 1 in DC.

Can that be considered National? We are not part of any National Council, so that's why I am wondering.

Lambda Phi Epsilon calls itself the only National Asian Fraternity, and it is a member of the NIC. However, we are not, neither are we in NALFO or NPHC. So, can we just call ourselves National??

Being part of a National Council has nothing to do with it.

If the number of Chapters and Locations is correct, then You are a National Greek Organizatin.

Since the advent of Asian and Latino organizatins, there is a new National Structure being presented.

Now, your Organization must decide if they will become affiliated with one. Remember, that the more voices heard, the more will and can be done on Your behalf.

L.O.C.K. 04-08-2005 08:10 AM

When you say "if it is incorporated as such", do you mean that is has to be incorporated in a specific state? How exactly does that work, if ya wouldn't mind filling me in? :)

moe.ron 04-08-2005 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by L.O.C.K.
When you say "if it is incorporated as such", do you mean that is has to be incorporated in a specific state? How exactly does that work, if ya wouldn't mind filling me in? :)
Almost all organization will be incorporated where their HQ is located. For instance, Sigma Phi Epsilon is incorporated in the state of Virginia because that is where our HQ is located.

ladygreek 04-08-2005 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
Almost all organization will be incorporated where their HQ is located. For instance, Sigma Phi Epsilon is incorporated in the state of Virginia because that is where our HQ is located.
Right. In the beginning our Alpha Chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sororit was incorporated as an entity in DC. Then the Grand Chapter was incorporated, also in DC. The latter is what made us a national organization.

TSteven 04-08-2005 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by L.O.C.K.
OK, with that being said...

Our Fraternity has 18 Chapters... 9 in NY State, 1 in NJ, 1 in Mass, 2 in PA, 1 in OH, 1 in CA, 1 in FL, 1 in MD, 1 in DC.

Can that be considered National? We are not part of any National Council, so that's why I am wondering.

Lambda Phi Epsilon calls itself the only National Asian Fraternity, and it is a member of the NIC. However, we are not, neither are we in NALFO or NPHC. So, can we just call ourselves National??

According to The National Website of Pi Delta Psi Fraternity, Inc. y'all already define PDY as National and y'all are incorporated.

And by the way, great job on y'all's web site.

L.O.C.K. 04-09-2005 12:52 AM

Yeah, I know we define it like that on the website, but I was just wondering if it was essentially up to the organization to define itself.

And thanks for the support of the website!

Check out these websites too(I made these ones! :-P)

GWU Multicultural Greek Council
GWU Zeta Phi Beta
GWU Pi Delta Psi

-Nate

TSteven 04-09-2005 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by L.O.C.K.
Yeah, I know we define it like that on the website, but I was just wondering if it was essentially up to the organization to define itself.
Of course.

And very nice job with the sites. Quite impressive!

PM_Mama00 04-09-2005 03:35 PM

I always thought of a sorority or fraternity as "national" if they had a national governing body. Like, Phi Mu has a national president, and so on.

CutiePie2000 04-09-2005 04:22 PM

A voice from Canada.....
 
If your GLO has USA chapters and also a presence in Canada, please call yourself "International".

If you call yourselves "National", it hurts our feelings and makes us cry.
:(


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