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BGLO and Other GLO Relations on YOUR Campus?
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Tell us about the relationship between Black Greek Letter Orgs. and other Greek Letter Orgs. at your college/university. Do/did they get along? Work together on a large greek-wide council in conjunction with their NPHC/IFC/NPC/MGC? Fellowship (hang out, socialize)? Do community service together? At UVA, orgs. seemed to get along fine when there were efforts to get to know one another (but the orgs. were mostly self-segregated the majority of the time I was there *1996-2000*). The leadership from all councils meet together from what I know of from time to time and the training that all orgs. must complete to get/keep their good standing at UVA is done amongst all organizations. There weren't any efforts to do service together that I know of until recently when there was a blood drive competition between all the orgs. from UVA and UMaryland (or so I heard). |
Sadly, the knowledge of one another is scarce. Most people don't even realize that we have several NPHC organizations on campus (mostly as city-wide chapters). Last year, Alpha Phi Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta and Alpha Kappa Alpha and I believe Zeta Phi Beta all came and stepped at the Greek Week Lip Synch, but didn't participate in the Lip Synch itself. This year, a rep. from AKA came to Panhel meetings, but none from the other organizations. I'd like to see more joint programs done between our locals and the NPHC Chapters. It seems that we both think the other doesn't want anything to do with us, which couldn't be further from the truth.
woops, sorry. I go to Otterbein College in Columbus Ohio. It's a small campus, about 3200 people and about 35 % of them are involved in the local greek organizations. As far as diversity goes...it's been an issue. That's not to say that people on campus are racist, nothing could be further from the truth. Our campus is very good at accepting all different lifestyles and types of people...but the race subject always seems to create rifts in the ADMINISTRATION, not the student body and no one seems to know how to fix it. |
Please let us know where college/university you attend/attended.
Why do I ask? Knowing this information will help those of us who are interested in trying to understand why relationships do/don't occur see the factors that might be in place that influence these relationships or lack thereof (population dynamics in terms of diversity, size of college/university, location, greek life tolerance, etc....). Quote:
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we have some Lambda Chi Alphas at our school now...they are cool but we really havent gotten to know them yet:(
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At my university, BGLOs were a novelty to WGLOs, and their value was determined by stepshows and parties. To BGLOs, WGLOs were nothing more than a means for reaching a larger paying audience.
We all got along for the most part when we actually interacted, but we rarely did anything but social events together. <--- won the Greek Ambassador award ;) |
At my undergrad, there were only 2 NPHC orgs and a slew of IFC and NPC orgs.
There were always HUGE racial undertones and overtones at my school. I admit that a lot was based on misunderstandings and inappropriate comments (not racial slurs) on everyone's part. But, much of it greeted us when we came to the campus. Some people were called the "n" word as soon as they stepped on campus and that's just ONE example. It was a tough road but my friends and I (especially my chapter but also my friends of all races) were very active in fighting for the rights of multicultural students. The multicultural students who are there NOW (since I graduated in '99) are very complacent and WEAK. I remember freshman orientation '95 where we were told "we have 7 wonderful sororities...and two historically Black ones." The proper phrasing is "we have 9 wonderful sororities, of which two are historically Black." My chapter was tiny and the other sororities had a minimum of 40 members. We were criticized for not participating in events or having a representative at meetings at times. DUH...if we only have 4 people on the campus, we won't have the flexibility in our schedules and the ability to pick and choose members to do certain things, as an organization with 50 people has. They wanted us to do things that were against OUR organization's protocol, as well. We enjoyed having a degree of separation but we DID want to participate in what we could, which wasn't much AT ALL. My chapter got along with quite a few of the IFC and NPC organizations. We learned a lot from certain people and grew in our tolerance of difference and acknowledging our MANY similarities. But, there remained people on the campus who would ridicule our traditions and do our unofficial sorority call and the unofficial calls of other NPHC organizations. :rolleyes: |
Oh goodness...
At Mizzou... PHC, IFC and NPHC are trying to form a tri-council in order to bring unity to all Greeks on are campus. I think it's an awesome idea, and I really hope they're successful. Right now, there doesn't seem to be much interaction between PHC/IFC and NPHC organizations. (I group PHC/IFC together because those groups tend to socialize most with each other. Not only in socials and parties, but in events like Greek Week and Homecoming... Alpha Phi Alpha is the only BLGO that has chosen to participate in Homecoming...) As for your average student's view on the relations... well that all depends on the student. A member of an NPC sorority wrote an article in our independent student newspaper in 2004 accusing members of an NPHC sorority of tearing down philanthropy banners and vandalizing property in Greektown while wearing their letters, explaining that the organizations should be separate from each other. Personally, I believe that individual to be very closed minded, as her accusations were not at all verified or proven... there doesn't seem to be a doubt in anyone's mind that her claims were completely false. The only thing she seemed to accomplished was making ALL Greeks angry... many protested and supported NPHC and all of it's organizations. There was an article focusing on one of the protests that can be found here... http://www.themaneater.com/article.php?id=18502 It's amazing that one person can hurt the reputation of not only the NPHC sorority she was accusing, but her OWN organization and all the NPC sororities... which she is representing. We have had a couple of women at Mizzou recently that have made one bad decision that have made us all look horrible. :mad: We recently had an event for all Greeks where the three governing bodies came together to talk about the idea of a tri-council... they seemed really optimistic that, in the future, relations could be strengthened and all fraternities and sororities would be participating in events like Homecoming and Greek Week. :D |
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When I went to Florida State, many moons ago, the relations weren't bad, they were just almost non-existent. The NPHC groups were, by choice, somewhat insular. Also, they were really small. Its hard to be visible when your entire chapter is a third the size (or smaller) of most NIC/NPC chapter pledge classes.
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Berkeley is such a large campus with such a large IFC/PanHellenic body that there was really little to no interaction. Of course, being Nupes, a lot of the sororities knew who we were. But the frats knew us on an individual basis for the most part. My experience was a little different because I was NPHC president, so I had to interact with the other council presidents quite often.
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At the University of North Carolina Greensboro, interactions between NPHC and NIC/NPC orgs are sparse but friendly. Although there is no ill will or "bad blood" between the groups, we generally stay very separate. As just a normal sorority member (i.e. not on a governing board or the president), the only real time I would really interact with NPHC members is during Greek Week. It seems that lately, there have been some changes towards Greek unity. One of my sisters formed the Campus Greek Association, meant to unite all the councils, but not that many orgs. show up. My sorority in particular has been making more attempts to participate in NPHC's programs. However, it's still pretty divisive- the organizations do not interact socially or collaborate on much of anything.
SO I guess- it could be worse, there could be lots of animosity and negative feelings. I don't feel that there is any sort of racial tension, but then, I'm white. To me though, we get along just fine within the limited interaction. At my school, we have 5 NIC fraternities, 5 NPC sororities, 8 NPHC orgs, and 1 MCGLO (Theta Nu Xi). Greek Life is less than 5% of the campus, with over 15,000 students. |
At one point, we were going to put on a party with the Kappas. It fell through though. Other than that, we used to have pretty good relations with the Deltas, back when I was an undergrad, but I understand that the current chapter really doesn't have much to do with the NPHC groups at Central Oklahoma. The NPHC groups do have step shows at some of the events that we are both at, they sponsor an annual fashion show which we sometimes go to.. other than that, nothing.
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the sororites always tried to do mixers with us.
an asian sorority even tried to claim us at one point. :eek: |
When I went to College, We had 4 NPHC, now I think down to 2. One Fraternity, and one Sorority. According to last School Update.
All NPHC were small, but I and many of My Brothers of LXA tried to work with them. We would sit together in the Student Union. Great Bunch Of Men and Women.:) |
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I attend The University of South Florida in Tampa, FL...we have all 9 org's in NPHC, 13 I believe in Pan, 7 or so in IFC and 7 in UGC (our multi cultural/latin coucnil). The unity among us was non-existant. UGC and NPHC knew of IFC/PAN but they didnt know of us...some even thought we were "Fake Greeks." Lately, with our new Greek Life coordinator-a Delta and the greatest person Ive met-she has implied certain activities and restructured a new focus for all org's to help each other out, support each other, and do events in a cross-council type way. We had a President's retreat in which we realized many pros and cons and many strengths and weaknesses held by all 4 councils. It's helped a lot and the 4 councils are underway of a new existance. This could be something to look into. We have monthly Presidents roundtables (pres of each org and council), advisor roundtables, and each council has a roundtable as well. [/QUOTE I was at USF from 96-00 and 02-04 and greek life has come a long way but STILL has a LOOOOONG way to go. During undergrad, the only time IFC and NPC even approached NPHC orgs was to teach them to step (let's not go into that; there's another thread about that already ;) ). They looked at NPHC orgs. like step children. When I was in grad school, some of the IFC and NPC orgs. got greek housing and they just thought their $*&# didn't stink...an NPHC org had a coming out show in the Greek Quad (an area in greek housing for ALL greeks) and members of an NPC group said as they walked by "what are they doing here? They're not supposed to be here". I must say that the new greek coordinator (who is my girl!) is doing great things for greek life at USF because having a meeting between the councils would have never worked back in the day. |
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BGLO relations with other councils have improved greatly here @ Kent State. This year, Alpha Phi Alpha sponsored an All Greek picnic for us all to get together, eat, talk, and play some silly games like Twister. It was the first event of its kind here and was a good start to improving relations. We continue to improve by making sure we get NPC representatives to drop by their council meetings as guests so they know when we're having things and vice versa.
When our NPC started the All Sorority socials, we made it a point to be sure that the NPHC women were aware of them so they could come socialize with us. Alpha Phi Alpha and Zeta Phi Beta both competed in our bowling tournament philanthropy this year. So we realize that we're all Greek and that there's a need for us to get tother more and are working really hard to do so. |
To be honest I don't really know anymore... because I'm not that involved in greek life around campus anymore.
We only have one HBGLO on campus, and Alpha Phi Alpha did have support and help from members (myself included) of other Fraternities in re-activating (well founding a new chapter - long story) their chapter here.... there was some friction about their coming to the campus - most Fraternities didn't see a need for a HBGLO, given the current membership diversity... personally I think they where worried about losing some PNM to Alpha Phi Alpha. In the end the arguement that a HBGLO would raise the profile and interest in the greeks won out... However lately I haven't seen or heard much from the Sigma Iota chapter... |
UT-Austin
UT has 5 Councils:
Interfraternity Council (IFC), fraternities National Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC), fraternities & sororities Texas Asian Pan-Hellenic Council (TAPC), sororities United Greek Council (UGC), fraternities & sororities University Panhellenic Council (UPC), sororities and an option for Affiliate Organizations Our Order of Omega Awards includes a Cross-Council Collaboration Award - http://deanofstudents.utexas.edu/gle/reco_omega.php In recent memory, Alpha Phi had Alpha Phi Alpha over for dinner last month. We also invite all the other orgs to participate in our events i.e. philanthropy, etc. ETA: they also had the Deltas over for dinner. I think UT-Austin has all of the D9 except for Iota Phi Theta Fraternity - www.texasgreeks.com Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity - http://www.utalphas.net Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority - http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/aka/ Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity - http://www.utnupes.com Omega Psi Phi Fraternity - http://www.utques.com Delta Sigma Theta Sorority - http://www.utdeltas.com Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity - http://www.utsigmas.com Zeta Phi Beta Sorority - http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~zeta Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority - http://www.geocitites.com/austinprettypoodles/Enter UT Blacks Online offers information about the Black community at The University of Texas - Austin. http://www.utblacksonline.com/index4.html |
So, basically every campus is pretty much the same. The NPHC organizations and the IFC/PHC organizations rarely, if ever, do anything together that would be considered anything more than social.
Where are the programs to promote AIDS awareness? Where are the voter registration and mobilization programs? Where are the community outreach ventures? If the interactions among NPHC and IFC/PHC organizations has yet to go beyond social activities like dancing, stepping, etc., you all are not actually "getting along" all that well. You are merely tolerating each other's existence. |
Tenacity,
isnt that a bit over the top? Remember, each Seperate "GLO" has their own Charitable Organizations that they deal with. You seem to be a little presumptious saying GLOs should go with anothers Charity. All or most Charitys are good causes and were decided on for specific reason for them. |
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On to your post: No it's not over the top. Those separations don't stop NPHC organizations from working together on non-social ventures, and it hasn't stopped IFC/PHC organizations from working together on such ventures. |
Seriously, Yes it is!
EarpSpeak is My first. Yes, it does not keep Different GLOs from working together on other than Social structures. But depending on different Campi and the size of GLOs is how much interaction there truely can be. Does that answer your Question? I can only say, that your statement seems to one sided? Yes, No, Maybe? |
campi = plural version of campus
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Oh, yeah...
Though, we didn't do any non-social ventures with the PHC sororities, I do remember that the XOs donated to a project we were working on once to help the kids in the local Head Start Program. Additionally, the AOIIs and the ADIIs used to send us letters wishing us well from time to time whenever they knew we were working on some sort of large community service project. :)
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No greeks really handle AIDS awarness - done by the many school and governmental orginizations on campus. No greeks handle voter registration (for the most part LCA, DKE, AEPi, and APhiA all had volunteers out helping for the last US election) - everyone is pretty much automatically registered by the government, it's just a matter of confirming place of residence (for ridings). Tthere is no real "outreach" program orgainized on a grand scale - each GLO handles it's own particular philanthropy and charity iniatives, which in turn target specific community goals or needs... if you mean the "black" community - APhiA, DKEs, DUs, and Sigma Chi's all were on last years Black History Month commitee, and were vital in forming some of the more recent "black" students groups on campus. Finally I'd love to see what "stepping" is - and why it is such a big thing mentioned here on GC... but there hasn't been anything like that here as far as I know... |
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Stepping is a tradition for some GLOs. I can't imagine why it is such a big deal on GC, except for the fact that stepping is the first thing the uninformed masses think of when they think of certain GLOs. |
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As for "stepping" I see it advertised alot by different GLOs, as well as discussions of how the various events went... personally I'd love to see someone (anyone) "step" at the Greek Week talent show - if only to spare everyone from yet another "Fully Monty" routine :rolleyes: |
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Then again at least we where spared the rap routine by one house... they'd been doing it for 3 years - it'd have been okay if the guys could actually rap... together... and in tune with the music... |
AKAs are hot
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on my campus we really had very little to do with each other in a social sense. but that's how the npc's were with each other as well--we basically kept to our own for social events. so no surprise there.
the nphc's and the npc's would each join and support each other's philanthrophy events, which was nice. i'd say we each knew very little about the other. but i never saw anything keeping us separate. i hung out with my sisters, they hung out with theirs, and the tridelts and kappas hung out with theirs. no racial undertones. just little interaction. |
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