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Kappas badly represented
Just wanted to let y'all know that I saw a particularly disturbing picture of some Kappas. My boyfriend's buddy was e-mailed a pic of Kappa Bid Day 2000 (no school noted) and every Kappa is topless. Some are wearing bras but most are totally nude up top and holding their breasts, all of them displaying big grins. My friend has put this pic on his computer as wallpaper, for all Greeks here to see. I wouldn't appreciate this kind of representation for my sorority and I hope you feel the same way. This picture does not represent y'all well, I am friends w/several Kappas and know you are great girls, but this pic is making y'all look bad.
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That is really sad to hear, but I guess what it really comes down to is that all chapters of Kappa can't control what other chapters do or how they act. Unfortunately, this picture may make us look bad, but that is NOT how we all act.
Erin http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif ------------------ Rise and shine and become a Kappa Gamma! |
That is disgusting! Why do males want to exploit women like that and why do women think that's cool? Nothing on Kappas in particular, because lord knows there are women in every group and walk of life that do stuff like that, unfortunately. It is such a poor reflection on the group and on women as a whole. To me, there is a difference between expressing sexuality and just being pronographic for no reason whatsoever. It makes me sad that some women do this...especially when they are representing me (a sorority woman). I hate it when people prove those damn stereotypes right!
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Thanks for the note TxTechChiO--
Yes, the photo is out there (it's been emailed to me several times). Kappa HQ is working with the chapter (which shall remain unnamed) to help them see that what they did was less than "womanly and true," and to try to do some damage control. If any IFC or NPC members email the picture to you, could you let them know that as members of the Greek family they should know not to proliferate such materials? I agree with SuperXO's sentiments, and as Greeks we need to try to help each other out! Thanks again! Panhellenically, imsohappythatiama ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! |
I am grateful that NPC is taking action. FYI-- every time I go to my boyfriend's house, I run into his roommate's room and hide the picture. Every time I do this, I hide the picture under a different file name, making it all the more difficult find him to find the picture!! I've done this about 20 times and it drives him absolutley bonkers and he still can't figure out why his beloved picture keeps disappearing! I am such a sleuth. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif He he he he.....
By the way, he really is a great guy (and both are Greek) but I guess boys will be boys, some longer than others!!! |
This is a stupid question, and I'm not being smarta$$, but if they're topless I assume they're not wearing letters - so how do we know they're Kappas?
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Just a positive note here; I met a Kappa Kappa Gamma at a charity luncheon yesterday. She was not only very beautiful but sincere and we became fast friends at the lunch. I hope the KKG's don't stress about this incident to the point of making yourselves crazy - EVERY CHAPTER IS DIFFERENT - and we all know that fact! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Take care and know in your heart - you are one of the best out there! Sue
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Thanks for the nice words. I don't think KKG HQ is stressing TOO much about the "topless photo" thing . . . just taking appropriate steps. 33girl: The women are Kappas . . . we know because it was a bid day photo (of the Seniors, not of the whole house), and so there is a "KKG Bid Day 2001" caption across the bottom of the photo (the professional photographer who took the photo put that there). Also, not that this makes it any better, but just FYI--most of them are wearing bras and jeans. . . the other ones have on jeans but no bras or shirts, and are covering their boobs with their hands. Think of that Janet Jackson CD album cover that came out a few years back . . . that's about what they're doing. ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! [This message has been edited by imsohappythatiama (edited March 10, 2001).] |
Whatever they looked awesome and I wouldn've done the same thing.
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Despite this incident, I still believe that KKG is a wonderful organization, and this chapter's behavior should not be a reflection of ALL KKGs. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
I know I'm not a Kappa, but I don't know how any KKG sister can condone this kind this kind of behavior (see the previous post--"my Kappa sisters looked hot"). But then again, with a signature like that, it comes to no surprise that a comment like that was made. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif Sorry if I had offended anyone, that's just my $0.02. |
KappaGirl03--
If you are a Kappa, you should know it is inappropriate for you to use curse words in reference to the Fraternity. Please edit your post and your signature, and use more discretion in the future. You're doing Kappa and yourself a disservice by such statements. I'm sorry to come down on you like this in a public forum, but it needs to be said. If you'd like to discuss this further, please don't hesitate to email me privately at hawkeyehoosier@hotmail.com In addition, for everyone's information (including KappaGirl03's), it is not true that the chapter's charter is in danger of "being pulled." I have spoken at length to the current Director of Chapters about this matter, and steps are being taken, but the chapter's charter is not in jeopardy over this photo. KappaGirl03, if you are a proud Kappa sister, you should know better than to spread rumours whose validity is in doubt. KKG HQ officers are taking the matter seriously, but they also realize that actives are young and just want to have fun, and sometimes don't understand the ramifications of "crazy stunts" like this one. The Director of Chapters and other National and Province officers are working with the chapter to improve/re-establish their image on campus, and to help them learn about the effects of negative PR. Let me say that I'm proud of the way KKG HQ is handling things--it's good to know that when a sister (or in this case, a group of sisters) does something to hurt the "family," we don't just kick them out of the family (by closing their chapter), we help them to see that what they did was a mistake, and then we help them to learn how to avoid repeating the mistake in the future. That's how functional, growing families should work. --imsohappythatiama ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! [This message has been edited by imsohappythatiama (edited March 27, 2001).] |
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Kappagirl, you must remember that you are a representation of your sorority. This forum is not limited to only Kappas, and many people are able to access it. Your sister's post was not intended to start a flame. She wanted to make the truth clear to those who were wondering about the status of the above mentioned chapter. Please remember that GreekChat is a site where us Greeks can discuss topics freely. However, if someone shows any disrespect to another user or organization, their message board privileges can be terminated at the discretion of the site's administrator. |
imsohappythatiama-- seems the kappa forum would benefit from you as moderator. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
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<<ImsohappythatIama...who the heck do you think you are?? Kappa Mother? Get a life.
And this line below....that's our motto at my school. We yell that at every event.>> KappaGirl03: Who I think I am: a proud Kappa, recently graduated from the oldest continuous Kappa chapter in KKG history...a young alumna who believes in the Founders' beliefs to hold oneself to all that is womanly and true...a person who believes that common sense wins out over all...a person who wants to see Kappa and the greek system flourish for the next 100 years. I certainly don't consider myself a "Kappa Mother," but I do consider myself my sisters' keeper. You don't seem to understand yet that Greek life is at risk in this increasingly-PC world, and Kappa is a part of that at-risk group. We must do all we can to keep our image (and our actions) clean! Having said that, I'd like to point out that that does not mean that we can't have FUN! I understand that the topless photo grew out of some wild and crazy, good clean fun that went a little too far. It's only been 3 years since I was part of that kind of fun (I miss it!) But we have to understand that DISCRETION is key ... we have to stop and think about CONSEQUENCES sometimes... ask ourselves questions like...who's going to see that topless photo of me and my pledge sisters?...who's going to be hurt by the questionable activity we held during the New Member process?...who's going to read my signature line on some chat room on the Internet and think that Kappa is a bunch of foul-mouthed brats? If our sisters can't keep these questions and others like them in the backs of their minds at all times, then we as their sisters must "watch their backs" and keep those sorts of consequence-oriented questions in the backs of our own minds for their sakes as individuals, for the sakes of their chapters' individual charters, and for the Fraternity's sake as a whole. That's what I was doing when I addressed your first post in this forum. I had no intention of flaming you; I'm just watching out for you (and more importantly) for KKG as a National organization. The excuse that your chapter yells that "line" at every event, is not a good one...We had "raunchy" songs/chants, too, but we didn't "yell" them at public events, and we certainly didn't put them on the Internet for everyone to see and judge us by. I'm sure that people like your Province Director of Chapters, your Advisory Board members, and your Traveling Consultant wouldn't be happy to hear about this chant that you do in public...if you'd keep it from them (and I'm sure you do), don't post it on the Internet for everyone to see (including KKG HQ officers, who check the Internet (including GreekChat) regularly for posts like yours). You could have put your whole chapter in trouble...that's not a threat, it's just a point to think about! KappaGirl03, I'm sorry if you felt flamed by my comments earlier, but I hope this post explains my intentions and feelings a little more fully. I wish you the best as a sister. Loyally, imsohappythatiama ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! [This message has been edited by imsohappythatiama (edited March 29, 2001).] |
Don't worry ladies...we got your back.
Sisterly Love, Hootie |
I agree- so true - we are here for you!
You are a top organization with beautiful smart women - remember that! All our support and luv! Sue and Chi Omega |
Thanks, Sue and Hootie... you girls rock! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! |
Hey imsohappythatiama...
CONGRATULATIONS ON MAKING MODERATOR!!! I knew this day would happen. I'm glad to know that someone will be watching out for the best interests of KKG in this forum! See you around the boards!!! ------------------ "Talk doesn't cook rice."--Someone smart Visit Alpha Gamma Delta-Delta Sigma chapter! |
Congrats imsohappythatiama!! You're the greatest!!
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YAY! Congrats on becoming moderator imsohappythatiama!
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Yes, we are all allowed to have fun, but fun doesn't have to include doing what they did in that bid day picture. Mike, out of fraternal respect, and out of respect for KKG, I ask that you remove that picture from your wallpaper. I'm sure that there other other non-sorority women out there that you can exploit. ------------------ "Talk doesn't cook rice."--Someone smart Visit Alpha Gamma Delta-Delta Sigma chapter! |
OK, I'm prepared to receive the 15 or so flames that will come from this, but from someone who did her fair share of stupid things in college, I would never have the guts to yell at/judge people on their actions. We sit here and judge these women on a silly act. And people post to them like they are 12. I think that you not only bring attention to something that you don't want to focus on, but you show a judgemental attitude that I think reflects poorly on you as well.
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I don't think anyone is "judging" these girls--at least I'm not.
As I have written a number of times, they just didn't think about the consequences of their actions . . . and one of the immediate consequences of that picture is that the photographer who took it then turned around and sold it to a website (which shall remain unnamed), and it was posted all over the place. It may be fun to take a picture like that--I totally understand (and agree)--but you have to think about CONSEQUENCES, like, who owns the negatives for this photo? Well, in this case the professional photographer owns the negative, and he used that photo for something is was never meant to be (Internet pseudo soft-porn--not that I think it's a pornographic picture, but that's what he sold it as). (FYI--even though he owns the negative and the copyright to that photo, he did not have the girls in the photo sign model releases to have their likenesses used for financial profit; that's why he had to remove it from publication on the Internet site.) OTW is right--if that picture had been taken by another sister, or something, that would have been one thing...but having a professional take it, emblazon the words KKG across the bottom, and retain the right to the negative and the copyright is just going too far. Why? Because its consequences go farther than just those girls.... it affects all of us as Kappas, and as Greeks. KappaSig1400: Well, actually, college is for learning, though fun is a big part of that. If sororities (and fraternities, too, thought it seems it's taking IFC a little longer to get with the program) don't begin to police themselves, then the universities will do it for us, and will no longer let the Greek system exist. This is just the state of the Greek system today in our super-PC world. We have two choices: (1) adapt, or (2) close down. So to answer your question, KappaSig1400, who does it hurt? Answer: Everyone in the greek system, because it perpetuates the stereotype that all we are good for is getting drunk, or stripping off our clothes, or beating pleges with paddles. I know this is not a true stereotype. You know this is not a true stereotype. But the non-Greek world doesn't know this is not a true stereotype. They are just looking for ways to say to themselves, "You see, I knew the Greek system is no good." Sure, this stupid topless photo incident is just a small, small contribution to continuing that stereotype. But it is a contribution nevertheless. I don't want anyone to get me wrong (and if you've read my numerous posts on this topic you should be very clear on where I'm coming from) I have much love for my Kappa sisters at the chapter where the photo was taken. I don't judge them. I don't think they're a "misfit chapter." I think they had some fun, and it went too far, and now they're having to deal with the consequences, unfortunately in a very public way. It's probably a good lesson--for them and for other members of the Greek family--that you have to use discretion sometimes...or bear the greater consequences of our actions. ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! [This message has been edited by imsohappythatiama (edited April 09, 2001).] [This message has been edited by imsohappythatiama (edited April 09, 2001).] |
Im So Happy-
Are all these people seeing what I am... No nude shots were actually taken - I understand that the women had their hands over their chest. Am I right? This was not a porn shot - the women were covered. I just want this in the right frame of mind. I am not going to judge at all- I KNOW that these women are very smart, classy and beautiful individuals - I just do not want everyone to think one thing when it was another!!! They covered themselves up. |
ISU XO:
You're right, like I posted earlier, most of the girls in the photo are wearing bras and jeans. . . the other ones (who are in the front of the group in the photo) have on jeans but no bras or shirts, and are covering their boobs with their hands. Like the cover of that Janet Jackson CD cover that came out a few years back (the one with "If I Was Your Girl"). |
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2nd no one i sgetting drunk third everyone in college takes their clothes off and gets drunk anyways. who are you to tell someone what they can or can't do. This is why some girls who are right foir a sosority are not joing b/c they hear how everyone wants to be their mother. that is why kids leave home and go away to college to get away from their moms. Hence people like you. so get off their case and mine. By the way kappa Sigma is the oldest fraternity in the world. we just celebrated 600 years of brotherhood. and we are still string even if someone gets naked and drunk. so don't lecture me or anyone eles about how many years of reputation you are trying to uphold b/c it is not going to work. have a nice day.. go kappa's |
I guess I'll start with the silly assumption that you ARE a kappa sig (HA!) You may not have a problem with drinking, or nudity, or any number of things, but how would you like it if someone took Kappa Sig's name and used it in a disrespectful light? Wouldn't you be pissed that you were associated with someone else's stupid behavior?
It doesn't matter what Kappas do or where they are, I am a Kappa and in a way I am associated with everything they do. It comes with being part of a NATIONAL organization. It doesn't bother me if some girl across the country loves to show people her breasts. I don't care if these girls walk around naked in their dorm rooms. But when this happens, and the Kappa name is on it, and it is SPREAD ON THE INTERNET, I, imsohappythatiama, and any other KKG has the right to be concerned. P.S. Kappa Sigma was founded in 1869. Do your research before you impersonate a fraternity brother http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif |
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kappagirl00--you do my heart good! You hit the nail right on the head... I couldn't have said it any better myself! Mike (the Kappa Sig)--first of all, let me say that you need to learn to (1) type, and (2) spell. It is difficult to prove your point to someone when you can't even use the language properly. It takes me a long while to even decipher what it is you have to say in your posts. Secondly, you do not seem to understand the jeopardy the greek system currently faces. Your precious "600 years of brotherhood" WILL be in peril if people like you confirm the world's misconceptions about the Greek system. You are a poor example of what a college man, let alone a greek man (and a Kappa Sigma at that!) should be. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. If the greek system dies out, we can all blame people like you for its demise. Again, I must point out that it was always my understanding that people go to college in order to LEARN--not to get away from their moms, not to drink, not to get naked--they can do those things at a strip club, without paying the high tuition rates. (Although this rationale may be lost on you; since you certainly haven't learned anything about English while at college, perhaps you are in school for the booze, the sex, the freedom, etc.--it's hard to tell.) It's fine if you want to be young and stupid--everyone gets to be young and stupid during part of their lives! Just don't be young and stupid in your letters--don't drag "600 years" of brotherhood down with you...and please don't even deign to associate yourself with Kappa Kappa Gamma via the women in the bid day photo in question. In this forum and in others, you've clearly proven that you're not even close to worthy. ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! [This message has been edited by imsohappythatiama (edited April 23, 2001).] |
As far as this whole kappa nudity thing...it was [campus removed by moderator] and being that i am in a different sorority i know that we all want to have a little fun but, when you decided to pledge your sorority you had to remember that you are looking out for the best and representing the best. Those pictures aren't the best and the sad thing is that they are all over the U.S..The worst part is that it is a bid day picture, they should be setting a good example for soon to be sisters. At my school the Kappas aren't great actually they are known as the worst sorority but they are slowly moving up and pictures like that does not help them..Yeah we all want to have fun but maybe you should think of your sorority and why you pledged them. At least thats what we do in our sorority and everyone knows that ours is the best!! sorry but we have respect for ourselves and we still mangage to have the college fun.
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I disagree with Mike's opinion on the topic. Certainly no the first or last time that will happen between brothers. However; Kappa Sigma was founded initially a the University of Bologna in 1400. The North American Founding is beleived to have occurred in 1869 as you mentioned.
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Hi there! I just came across a radio station web site with the picture posted. It says the school they are from and everything. PLUS, the site is very adult if you understand. If you want more information, please let me know.
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Kappaaum, can you please let me know what site that picture is currently posted on? My understanding from Kappa HQ is that it took our attorneys to have the picture removed from the website where it was originally posted. I'm sure the Fraternity would be interested if it's made it to another website without permission of the people in the picture.
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Kappaum--
Please, if you like, just forward the website address to KKG HQ. You can either call them at (614) 228-6515 or you can email them at kkghq@kappa.org Just keeping it safe around here, imsohappythatiama ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! [This message has been edited by imsohappythatiama (edited June 28, 2001).] |
Welcome to the KKG forum, MGerrick! We're glad to have you!
(For those of you who don't know, MGerrick is a KKG from South Carolina--yet another wonderful alumna who donates her time as a chapter advisor!) Loyally, Kristen (imsohappythatiama) ------------------ Oh, Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, I'm so happy that I am a Kappa Kappa Kappa Gamma, Nobody knows . . . how happy I am! |
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Thank you for the welcome, and thank you also for letting everyone know about EK chapter's plans for a house! I just wanted to let you know that I forwarded that website to Kappa HQ yesterday so that they can take appropriate action. I hope it can be removed quickly. Thanks again! Martha |
Hello, Everyone!
This is my first time here at the KKG board. Dear moderator, you know me from Ebay as "Julie"! :) I look forward to participating in this group. I am sad to hear of the lack of class displayed by the Kappas in question. I am confident that this is not the norm within our beloved KKG! I also have a very hard time believing that any Kappa would use the vulgar, bar room, trashy chant that one poster claims is being said. If this tacky chant is truly being used, then we really need to up our standards during rush and weed this kind of "lady" out before the issue arises. Ugh. Enough said. Anyway, it's nice to be here! |
Womanly N True
Good to have you around Greek Chat, my friend and sister!!!!
L&L, your humble moderator, imsohappythatiama |
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