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lifewithugs 03-15-2005 03:34 PM

When did BGLOs became apart of the NPHC
 
As I was researching I begain thinking :)

I know when the black greek lettered organizations (or Divine 9) were founded, but when did they join the National pan-hellenic council?

Senusret I 03-15-2005 04:01 PM

The NPHC was established in 1930 at Howard University.

http://nphchq.org/ <----- Unfortunately, the NPHC site is down today.

Jody 03-15-2005 09:00 PM

My understanding is that they WE ARE NOT affiliated with the pan-hellenic council of predominately white sororities and fraternities.

I would hasten to add as, it is my understanding that at least for the first two black letter greek organizations, they were founded because they couldn't get into the white ones.

texas*princess 03-15-2005 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Jody
My understanding is that they WE ARE NOT affiliated with the pan-hellenic council of predominately white sororities and fraternities.

I would hasten to add as, it is my understanding that at least for the first two black letter greek organizations, they were founded because they couldn't get into the white ones.

I think the original poster meant the National Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC - which the Divine Nine are associated with) and NOT the National Panhellenic Council (NPC).

What is it with all this racial tension on GC lately? It's not the 60s or anything last time I checked.

kddani 03-15-2005 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Jody
My understanding is that they WE ARE NOT affiliated with the pan-hellenic council of predominately white sororities and fraternities.


Ummm... who said that you were? The post specifically asked about NPHC? Which i'm assuming you know what that is....


And there's no council that governs both the sororities and fraternities of what you call predominantly white groups. They each have their own governing council

Unregistered- 03-16-2005 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by kddani
Ummm... who said that you were? The post specifically asked about NPHC? Which i'm assuming you know what that is....


And there's no council that governs both the sororities and fraternities of what you call predominantly white groups. They each have their own governing council

I think it's funny when someone tries to debate an issue that's not even relevant to the original question.

But then again it's expected when they don't even know who they're debating with.

:)

Anyway, as new members we were taught the difference between Panhellenic and Pan-Hellenic, and we all know the difference is more than just the hyphen and capital H.

kddani 03-16-2005 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
I think it's funny when someone tries to debate an issue that's not even relevant to the original question.

But then again it's expected when they don't even know who they're debating with.

seems a little "iggnunt"

Kevin 03-16-2005 01:13 PM

I believe that KAPsi is a member of the NIC. Other than that, no historically black GLO's are members of the NIC or NPC (the two major groups that represent regular GLO's)

TheEpitome1920 03-16-2005 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
I believe that KAPsi is a member of the NIC. Other than that, no historically black GLO's are members of the NIC or NPC (the two major groups that represent regular GLO's)
Iota Phi Theta is also a member of NIC. And is NPHC not a major group of regular GLOS? Combined our membership is over a million people.

TSteven 03-16-2005 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
I believe that KAPsi is a member of the NIC. Other than that, no historically black GLO's are members of the NIC or NPC (the two major groups that represent regular GLO's)
Phi Eta Psi Fraternity - a historically black GLO - is also a member of NIC. However, they are not a member of NPHC.

Honeykiss1974 03-16-2005 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by TSteven
Phi Eta Psi Fraternity - a historically black GLO - is also a member of NIC. However, they are not a member of NPHC.
Neat. I learned something new today. :)

SapphireSphinx9 03-16-2005 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Jody
My understanding is that they WE ARE NOT affiliated with the pan-hellenic council of predominately white sororities and fraternities.

I would hasten to add as, it is my understanding that at least for the first two black letter greek organizations, they were founded because they couldn't get into the white ones.

I think you're confused...

The orgs that make up the "Divine 9" belong to the NPHC, which is the National Pan-Hellenic Council.

While the "predominately white sororities" you talk about belong to the NPC, which is the National Panhellenic Conference.

And the "predominately white fraternities" you talk about belong to the NIC, which is the North-American Interfraternity Conference.



Also, saying "predominately white" for either the NPC or NIC is an incorrect assumption. Since in the orgs in NPC do not restrict membership to just white women. And at least 8 (that I personally know of - there may be more) fraternities that are in NIC are either African-American, Latino, or Asian based.


I'm not trying to flame, I'm just trying to help educate.

Unregistered- 03-16-2005 03:57 PM

Because I'm in a snarky mood and it's been irritating the crap outta me.

Apart does not = a part.

IceColdAce06 03-18-2005 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by Jody
I would hasten to add as, it is my understanding that at least for the first two black letter greek organizations, they were founded because they couldn't get into the white ones.
Lose that understanding because it's wrong. They were formed in order to provide mutual support of each other in an era of open oppression, not because they couldn't get into the white ones.

Stop trying to stir crap up on the sly.

IceColdAce06 03-18-2005 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
I believe that KAPsi is a member of the NIC. Other than that, no historically black GLO's are members of the NIC or NPC (the two major groups that represent regular GLO's)
What constitutes "regular"?

abaici 03-18-2005 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
What constitutes "regular"?

I wanted to comment on that. It's interesting that people are accusing others of prejudice yet fail to acknowledge their own. Labeling the NPC and NIC "regular" is very telling.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 04:36 AM

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Originally posted by kddani
Ummm... who said that you were? The post specifically asked about NPHC? Which i'm assuming you know what that is....

It looks like people have different interpretations of that post. It looks like the original poster is asking about the NPC but calling it the NPHC by mistake.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by abaici
I wanted to comment on that. It's interesting that people are accusing others of prejudice yet fail to acknowledge their own. Labeling the NPC and NIC "regular" is very telling.
Exactly. Those affiliations are seen as mainstream whereas the NPHC is a "specialized subsection." That happens in various aspects of this society.

I can understand the tendency to do that because non-LGLO and non-BGLOs outnumber the BGLOs and LGLOs and are older. That is one rationale.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by SapphireSphinx9
Also, saying "predominately white" for either the NPC or NIC is an incorrect assumption. Since in the orgs in NPC do not restrict membership to just white women. And at least 8 (that I personally know of - there may be more) fraternities that are in NIC are either African-American, Latino, or Asian based.

You are correct. The organization category isn't "predominantly white." If someone was to talk about membership racial demographics, "predominantly white" would be more accurate.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
Lose that understanding because it's wrong. They were formed in order to provide mutual support of each other in an era of open oppression, not because they couldn't get into the white ones.

Stop trying to stir crap up on the sly.

Actually, the history of BGLOs does include the exclusion of blacks from predominantly white GLOs which was a correlate of the open oppression of that time.

starang21 03-19-2005 07:09 AM

brains are so sexy.

sigtau305 03-19-2005 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Neat. I learned something new today. :)
Ditto.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
brains are so sexy.

^^ Serial brainist. He is evil and must be stopped.

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Actually, the history of BGLOs does include the exclusion of blacks from predominantly white GLOs which was a correlate of the open oppression of that time.
Go to any campus today, and you will see people congregate with people similar to them. It has nothing to do with being excluded from the other groups or denied access. Do you think that it was really any different? Well except for the fact that racism was blatant and in your face, it isn't. The need for them to support each other was even stronger than it is today.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
Go to any campus today, and you will see people congregate with people similar to them. It has nothing to do with being excluded from the other groups or denied access. Do you think that it was really any different? Well except for the fact that racism was blatant and in your face, it isn't. The need for them to support each other was even stronger than it is today.


The foundings of BGLOs as a whole are partially rooted in being excluded from predominantly white GLOs. I urge you to do some extensive research about this.

Racial and ethnic minorities, when given the opportunity, often branch out to form affiliations and networks with non-racial and ethnic minorities. They maintain their group ties (which is why people congregate with those who look like them) but they also wish to take advantage of other opportunities. This is why the centrality and the influence of the Black Church, BGLOs, and orgs like the The Urban League have decreased over the years. People have more options now.

That is "racial and ethnic inequality 101."

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
The foundings of BGLOs as a whole are partially rooted in being excluded from predominantly white GLOs. I urge you to do some extensive research about this.

Racial and ethnic minorities, when given the opportunity, often branch out to form affiliations and networks with non-racial and ethnic minorities. They maintain their group ties (which is why people congregate with those who look like them) but they also wish to take advantage of other opportunities. This is why the centrality and the influence of the Black Church, BGLOs, and orgs like the The Urban League have decreased over the years. People have more options now.

That is "racial and ethnic inequality 101."

Bad assumption number two.

You're assuming that if afforded the opportunity to join a predominately White GLO, the organizations would not have existed. Highly doubtful. Given that people maintain their group ties even today where opportunies to join more mainstream organizations are readily available, I seriously doubt your premise. That's reality. Look at the number of organizations being formed today to address specific needs. Whether it's more Black, Latino, Multicultural, Gay and Lesbian or whatever, it's still about like minded people providing mutual support to each other and especially when outnumbered in a group.

Besides, the influence of the organizations you mentioned hasn't decreased due to other opportunities. It has decreased because they never changed their focus to adapt to the changing times. You can't use a 1960 message to address a 2005 audience. Update the message and make it more current and relevant and the influence will return.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
Bad assumption number two.

You're assuming that if afforded the opportunity to join a predominately White GLO, the organizations would not have existed. Highly doubtful. Given that people maintain their group ties even today where opportunies to join more mainstream organizations are readily available, I seriously doubt your premise. That's reality. Look at the number of organizations being formed today to address specific needs. Whether it's more Black, Latino, Multicultural, Gay and Lesbian or whatever, it's still about like minded people providing mutual support to each other and especially when outnumbered in a group.

Besides, the influence of the organizations you mentioned hasn't decreased due to other opportunities. It has decreased because they never changed their focus to adapt to the changing times. You can't use a 1960 message to address a 2005 audience. Update the message and make it more current and relevant and the influence will return.


You are attempting to debate a moot point.

Many of us have known for years that the general founding of BGLOs is rooted in exclusion from predominently white social institutions and networks (including but not limited to GLOs). Many of us also know that the general founding of BGLOs is ALSO rooted in a desire to have our own and address our needs.

See how the latter does not have to contradict the former?

I really do want you to do some extensive research on this topic, though. Research what happens when groups are given the opportunity to form heterogenous networks as well as maintain homogenous ties.

You already acknowledged that the message of these traditionally Black organizations hasn't changed with the times. ***BINGO!!!*** Blacks tend to have more opportunities (which includes what organizations we hypothetically have access to) than 30, 40, or 50 years ago which shapes how we view our social world, religion, and families.

Good luck.

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
You are attempting to debate a moot point.

Many of us have known for years that the general founding of BGLOs is rooted in exclusion from predominently white social institutions and networks (including but not limited to GLOs). Many of us also know that the general founding of BGLOs is ALSO rooted in a desire to have our own and address our needs.

See how the latter does not have to contradict the former?

I really do want you to do some extensive research on this topic, though. Research what happens when groups are given the opportunity to form heterogenous networks as well as maintain homogenous ties.

Good luck.

Again you stay on a bad assumption. You assume that you are the only one that has done research. Then again, doing research can lead a person to form THEIR OWN opinions. See how that works? Try it.

Good luck.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
You assume that you are the only one that has done research.
I obviously am.

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
I obviously am.
ROFL Have fun.

Tom Earp 03-19-2005 05:41 PM

May I give a Huge Thumbs up for the great interpretaions of the question asked on this Thread.:)

While I think, most of us know where BGLOs came from and why, the The International Organization that was started was to Rule and Regulate said Organizations.

One of the most sane and instructive Threads on GC.:cool:
I learn or try to learn something New everyday here and All of you have done it so well!:)

But with so many things going on within The Greek World, We are while some think different, very much the same.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
ROFL Have fun.
If you have researched you should have the ability to connect what you are saying with what I am saying. There is no contradiction.

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
If you have researched you should have the ability to connect what you are saying with what I am saying. There is no contradiction.
I feel the same way about your ability to see what I am saying.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
I feel the same way about your ability to see what I am saying.

Uh...

Since I said you aren't contradicting me, that means that your posts are supporting my arguments.

Let's think about this. Geesh.

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Uh...

Since I said you aren't contradicting me, that means that your posts are supporting my arguments.

Let's think about this. Geesh.

No it would mean that you're supporting my argument and since you are not contradicting me. Keep up.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
No it would mean that you're supporting my argument and since you are not contradicting me. Keep up.

Pardon me as I poke my eyes out!

We aren't contradicting each other...PERIOD. I told you posts ago that you were debating a moot point.

You are begging me to comment on your intellect. LOL.

starang21 03-19-2005 06:20 PM

:)

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Pardon me as I poke my eyes out!

We aren't contradicting each other...PERIOD. I told you posts ago that you were debating a moot point.

You are begging me to comment on your intellect. LOL.

Then your point in responding is?

Talk about debating a moot point. Get over it. You don't always have to have the last word.

DSTCHAOS 03-19-2005 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by IceColdAce06
Then your point in responding is?

Talk about debating a moot point. Get over it. You don't always have to have the last word.

I responded because you need(ed) clarity. ;)

Did you post to get the last word or am I allowed to respond to you again? :D

The wonders of the human mind. :cool:

IceColdAce06 03-19-2005 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
I responded because you need(ed) clarity. ;)

Did you post to get the last word or am I allowed to respond to you again? :D

The wonders of the human mind. :cool:

I didn't need or ask for it. Feel free to respond. You're fun. :p :D


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