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The1calledTKE 02-16-2005 08:32 AM

Navy to Commission Attack Submarine Jimmy Ca
 
The Navy will commission the newest nuclear-powered attack submarine Jimmy Carter on Saturday, Feb. 19, during an 11 a.m. EST ceremony at Naval Submarine Base New London, Groton, Conn.



The attack submarine Jimmy Carter honors the 39th president of the United States.



President Carter is the only U.S. president to have qualified in submarines. He has distinguished himself by a lifetime of public service, and has long ties to the Navy and the submarine force. Carter graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1946, served as a commissioned officer aboard submarines, and served as commander-in-chief from 1977 to 1981. Carter's statesmanship, philanthropy and sense of humanity earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.



Retired Navy Adm. Stansfield Turner, a classmate of the president who served in the Carter administration as the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, will deliver the ceremony's principal address. Rosalynn Carter is the sponsor for the ship named for her husband, with daughter Amy serving as matron of honor. In a time-honored Navy tradition, Rosalynn Carter will give the first order to "man our ship and bring her to life!"



The Jimmy Carter is the third and final submarine of the Seawolf class. As the most advanced submarine in the class, the Jimmy Carter will have built-in flexibility and an array of new warfighting features that will enable it to prevail in any scenario, against any threat – from beneath Artic ice to shallow water. Differentiating the Jimmy Carter from all other undersea vessels is its multi-mission platform (MMP), which includes a 100-foot hull extension to enhance payload capability. The MMP will enable the Jimmy Carter to accommodate the advanced technology required to develop and test new generation of weapons, sensors and undersea vehicles for naval special warfare, tactical surveillance and mine-warfare operations.

for full article..
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/...0215-2088.html

KillarneyRose 02-16-2005 08:55 AM

Speaking of commissioning ships/subs, here's an interesting although only somewhat related piece of Navy trivia:

Crew members can have their children baptized by a chaplain aboard their ship. The first child to be baptized on a ship has his or her name engraved in the ship's bell and the last child baptized on a ship before her decommissioning also has his or her name engraved in the ship's bell and gets to keep the bell as well.

A friend/classmate of Mr. KR had his daughter baptized on a destroyer (darned if I can remember which one!) and her name is engraved in the bell there.

Kevin 02-16-2005 11:30 AM

Does anyone else find it somewhat funny that an implement of war is being named after Jimmy Carter?

honeychile 02-16-2005 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Speaking of commissioning ships/subs, here's an interesting although only somewhat related piece of Navy trivia:

Crew members can have their children baptized by a chaplain aboard their ship. The first child to be baptized on a ship has his or her name engraved in the ship's bell and the last child baptized on a ship before her decommissioning also has his or her name engraved in the ship's bell and gets to keep the bell as well.

A friend/classmate of Mr. KR had his daughter baptized on a destroyer (darned if I can remember which one!) and her name is engraved in the bell there.

That's some pretty interesting trivia!! My mother's family is working on their fourth generation at Annapolis. :) Her elder cousin was in submarine training in San Diego with Jimmy Carter; they had apartments next door to each other.

hoosier 02-16-2005 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
Does anyone else find it somewhat funny that an implement of war is being named after Jimmy Carter?
I jumped on the JC bandwagon when he (our GA Governor) announced for pres, and sent a contribution. In a few months, he jumped in bed with the labor unions, and my support ended. Once a contributor, always a mailbox full of more solicitations, but I did receive a nice black and white picture of him and Ros at the Dem convention.

He was a very mediocre president (think Iran hostages, 21 percent inflation), but became a hard worker for Habitat and good works after leaving DC.

During the 2004 Kerry campaign, he popped up and made several loud and sorry comments - I got the idea he thought he had to do something, or he would be completely forgotten (he didn't get to speak in prime time at the Dem convention). The comments were just totally out of character and out of the image he had been building.

I think Reagan is getting an aircraft carrier, so a weenie sub is appropriate for Carter. I don't think the sub naming has been mentioned in the Atlanta media.

DeltAlum 02-16-2005 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
I think Reagan is getting an aircraft carrier, so a weenie sub is appropriate for Carter. I don't think the sub naming has been mentioned in the Atlanta media.
Another unbelievable comment.

kddani 02-16-2005 03:10 PM

nuclear attack subs aren't exactly weenie.

Me thinks the poster who said so is a weenie :D

KillarneyRose 02-16-2005 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
I think Reagan is getting an aircraft carrier, so a weenie sub is appropriate for Carter.

I wasn't present when the Department of the Navy decided to name a sub for President Carter, but I would render a guess that it has to do with the fact that he was a submariner and not a SWO when he was in the Navy.


ETA: SWOs are the guys who drive ships. Like the Reagan.

PhiPsiRuss 02-16-2005 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
I wasn't present when the Department of the Navy decided to name a sub for President Carter, but I would render a guess that it has to do with the fact that he was a submariner and not a SWO when he was in the Navy.


ETA: SWOs are the guys who drive ships. Like the Reagan.

Carter probably knew more about all aspects of nuclear submarines, including policy, than any world leader ever. This is probably a higher compliment than naming a carrier after him. Especially when you consider that many people (not me) question the worth of carriers, but nuclear attack submarines are universally recognized by defense policy experts, of all stripes, as necessary.

RUgreek 02-16-2005 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kddani
nuclear attack subs aren't exactly weenie.

Me thinks the poster who said so is a weenie :D


Eh, a seawolf class, well maybe the USS Bush or Clinton will be Virginia class subs. I hear those things are state-of-the-art stealth technology and can last over a year without needing to surface.

PhiPsiRuss 02-16-2005 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RUgreek
Eh, a seawolf class, well maybe the USS Bush or Clinton will be Virginia class subs. I hear those things are state-of-the-art stealth technology and can last over a year without needing to surface.
Seawolf is the state-of-the-art sub currently available. The Virginia class submarine is a "budget" model because the Seawolf class is too expensive.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ssn-21.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/nssn.htm

"Compared with the Seawolf, the NSSN is slower, carries fewer weapons, and is less capable in diving depth and arctic operations."

kddani 02-19-2005 12:03 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/18/sub....ap/index.html

Pretty advanced stuff... don't know that I'd call it a weenie boat.

The other sub listed in the article, the USS Parche, that was recent retired... anyone who remembers me talking about my navy boy, that's the sub he was on. Def. does some pretty high intelligence stuff

PhiPsiRuss 02-19-2005 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kddani
Pretty advanced stuff... don't know that I'd call it a weenie boat.
You would if you were a weenie.

AlphaSigOU 02-19-2005 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RUgreek
Eh, a seawolf class, well maybe the USS Bush or Clinton will be Virginia class subs. I hear those things are state-of-the-art stealth technology and can last over a year without needing to surface.
To clarify the above even further: a nuclear submarine has nearly unlimited range; theoretically, it can stay submerged forever. Only endurance limitation is food for the sailors and officers aboard. Fresh produce is usually the first to get eaten; after a long patrol (which for attack subs can be as long as six months) the cook has to become very creative in preparing meals, as it can get pretty monotonous. Woe to the submarine cook who pisses off the crew with a pattern of bad meals - he might be stuffed into a torpedo tube and launched in a exercise! :D

Ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) are paired off into two complete crews: Blue and Gold, and serve roughly 90-day deterrent patrols. While one crew is on patrol, the other is on leave or training ashore.

Fast attack subs (SSNs) can have patrol durations as long as six months, in which there is very little, if any communication from home.

AlphaSigOU 02-19-2005 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
ETA: SWOs are the guys who drive ships. Like the Reagan.
AKA "skimmers". :D

The Surface Warfare Qualification Badge is sometimes called "water wings".

hoosier 02-20-2005 12:16 AM

Carter = KA
 
Several stories have mentioned that Carter "lived in the KA House" at GA tech, and his room mate was ___ Robinson, eventually the pres of American Express. The Robinson guy is one of KA's most famous alumni.

KA never made JC a member though.

IowaStatePhiPsi 02-20-2005 06:08 AM

could have sworn it was the submarine that helped "win" the cold war.

AlphaSigOU 02-20-2005 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
could have sworn it was the submarine that helped "win" the cold war.
The "prairie submariners" (land-based ICBM crews) might take exception to the above remark. :D Four nearly-simultaneous key turns and Rooshia woulda been a parking lot.

"41 for Freedom" - referring to the first- and second-generation ballistic missile submarines, first with Polaris, then Poseidon and finally Trident C-4 missiles. Nearly all of these submarines were named after U.S. and Latin American independence figures.

kddani 02-20-2005 11:55 AM

Re: Carter = KA
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Several stories have mentioned that Carter "lived in the KA House" at GA tech, and his room mate was ___ Robinson, eventually the pres of American Express. The Robinson guy is one of KA's most famous alumni.

KA never made JC a member though.

this has to do with the thread how???

KillarneyRose 02-21-2005 02:29 AM

Re: Carter = KA
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Several stories have mentioned that Carter "lived in the KA House" at GA tech, and his room mate was ___ Robinson, eventually the pres of American Express. The Robinson guy is one of KA's most famous alumni.

KA never made JC a member though.


I don't think Jimmy Carter ever lived in the KA house at Georgia Tech. That wouldn't make sense because he married Rosalynn Smith shortly after he graduated from USNA. So even if perhaps he eventually did graduate work at Georgia Tech, I don't think a married man would live in a fraternity house.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

moe.ron 02-21-2005 02:37 AM

Re: Re: Carter = KA
 
Quote:

Originally posted by kddani
this has to do with the thread how???
A poor attempt in trying to divert attention from his previous post about Carter being a weeinie. (I know I spelled weeinie wrong)

PhiPsiRuss 02-21-2005 02:52 PM

Re: Re: Carter = KA
 
Quote:

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
I don't think Jimmy Carter ever lived in the KA house at Georgia Tech. That wouldn't make sense because he married Rosalynn Smith shortly after he graduated from USNA. So even if perhaps he eventually did graduate work at Georgia Tech, I don't think a married man would live in a fraternity house.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

He went to Georgia Tech before he went to the Naval Academy. Many people do this, but I wouldn't consider it a transfer because, if I remember correctly, not one credit transfers over from a college when someone transfers to a US military academy.

Getting this thread back on track, normally getting an aircraft carrier named after you is a higher honor than a submarine. Not in this case. The Seawolf class submarine is the most capable attack submarine ever built, and it will probably be decades until a better submarine will be built. Only three Seawolfs were built. The final one, the Jimmy Carter is even more special because it has an extended hull to accommodate special operations.

This former submariner is getting the very best attack submarine ever built named after him. That is a very high honor in my book.

RACooper 02-21-2005 10:49 PM

Re: Re: Re: Carter = KA
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
This former submariner is getting the very best attack submarine ever built named after him. That is a very high honor in my book.
Exactly.... having something in your trade named after you is very high honour (in the US military)... so someone who served in the cavalry/armoured would feel more honoured by a tank being named after him than something outside of thier trade - whereas a submariner will always prefer to have a submarine named after them...

hoosier 02-24-2005 04:38 PM

jc
 
Naming an attack submarine after Jimmy Carter is like naming a wing of the MLK Center for Non-Violence after Osama bin Laden.

- The Vent, Atlanta

kddani 02-24-2005 04:42 PM

Re: jc
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Naming an attack submarine after Jimmy Carter is like naming a wing of the MLK Center for Non-Violence after Osama bin Laden.

- The Vent, Atlanta

I don't know how often this subs actually "attack". Subs seem to be used more nowadays for intelligence gathering, especially top secret stuff.

I actually talked to the officer that I know that worked on the similar sub, the USS Parche, talked about in the cnn article. He thinks it's funny all the speculation about what he sub actually did... Guess it's talked about up there in Washington (the state) a lot. Of course, he could neither confirm nor deny anything. My guess is that the sub launches out of the water and he's been exploring Mars ;)


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