Bush's 2nd Inauguration
 

i'm getting to watch b/c my back is out again and i'm not in school.....just saw the ahnuld and john kerry. anyone else watching?

No, but I'm watching Spongebob Squarepants right now.

:eek: you know what that means.............

Unfortunately I am watching...

Maybe, you know...partisan politics should stay out of this day. We all know the importance of ceremony and tradition and I think today is a very special day in the United States. The music is touching and the speakers are elegant and heartfelt. I think that regardless of who you think should have been sitting in the President's seat today...I say, get over it, and enjoy a incredible piece of American history. :)

The first singer sucks. The second one has an amazing voice. The dude that is singing the national anthem has a very good voice.

When is Kid Rock suppose to play?

I think it's sweet that he gets to swear to do his presidential duties to the "best of his abilities." LOL.

I also think it's ridiculous how much money they spend on this.

Wasn't that Clinton's bash?

*Edit: The kid rock thing....pimp...eh...

Nevermind it was funnier in my head and then the post above ruined it and now nobody will ever laugh.

Nah, Kid Rock actually played in one of the inaguration events. Not sure which one though. A lot of right wing groups were outrage.

What's Kid Rock playing, American Bad Ass? It would be fitting

I didn't see it. Before I left for work, I saw a couple pictures of the Bush twins...hot.

Also, many of the people there are not Republicans. Aside from the fact that this is a celebration for the nation and politicians and leaders from all sides are there, one of Bush's best friends is one of those (I think from either Exeter or Yale) - the developer of Chelsea Piers in NYC so I don't understand why people act like it's just a Republican fest.

Smart move on the President's part to have private donations and companies help pay for the inauguration ($40MM) aside from ticket proceeds for events, balls, and even prime spots for watching from the streets. The list below is only a partial list of donors:

Major Donor Information from the Presidential Inaugural Committee


ACS State & Local Solutions, Inc. Washington DC $250,000
A.G. Spanos Stockton CA $250,000
AFLAC, Incorporated Columbus GA $100,000
AFLAC, Incorporated Columbus GA $150,000
A. J. Scribante Omaha NE $100,000
Alan B. Fabian Cockeysville MD $100,000
Al Hoffman, Jr. Fort Myers FL $100,000
Alagem Capital Group, LLC Beverly Hills CA $250,000
Alexander F. Treadwell Westport NY $100,000
Altria Corporate Services, Inc. New York NY $250,000
American Bankers Association Washington DC $25,000
American Chemistry Council Arlington VA $25,000
American Financial Cincinnati OH $250,000
American Health Care Association Washington DC $50,000
Ameriquest Capital Corporation Orange CA $250,000
Amgen, Inc. Thousand Oaks CA $100,000
Andrew C. Taylor St. Louis MO $100,000
Anheuser-Busch Cos., Inc. Washington DC $100,000
Argent Mortgage Company Orange CA $250,000
AT&T Washington DC $250,000
Bank of America Corporation Charlotte NC $250,000
Barbour, Griffith & Rogers, LLC Washington DC $25,000
Bensco, Inc. Metairie LA $100,000
Benson Football Metaire LA $100,000
Benson Mineral Group, Inc. Denver CO $100,000
Beverly Enterprises, Inc. Fort Smith AR $50,000
Beverly Enterprises, Inc. Fort Smith AR $20,000
Bill G. Hartley Tyler TX $25,000
Blank Rome, LLP Philadelphia PA $200,000
BlueCross BlueShield of Florida, Inc. Jacksonville FL $100,000
Bob Tuttle Beverly Hills CA $25,000
Boone Pickens Dallas TX $250,000
Bradford M. Freeman Los Angeles CA $100,000
Bristol-Myers Squibb Washington DC $250,000
Broadcast Music, Inc. Nashville TN $25,000
Burlington Norhtern & Sanata Fe Corp. Topeka KS $250,000
Burton J. McMurtry Portola Valley CA $50,000
California Farm Bureau Federation Sacramento CA $100,000
Carl H. Lindner Cincinnati OH $250,000
C. Edward McVaney Greenwood Village CO $100,000
Century Homebuilders, LLC Miami FL $100,000
Charles E. Cobb, Jr. Coral Gables FL $25,000
Charles D. Miller Pasadena CA $100,000
Cherie and Robin Arkley Eureka CA $100,000
CheveronTexaco Concord CA $250,000
Cinergy Corporation Cincinnati OH $250,000
Cisco Systems, Inc. San Jose CA $100,000
Clearwire Corporation Kirkland WA $100,000
Computer Associates International, Inc. Islandia NY $100,000
Corporate Capital, LLC New Orleans LA $250,000
Cove Partners, LLC Santa Monica CA $100,000
Cove Partners, LLC Santa Monica CA $25,000
Credit Union National Association Madison WI $50,000
CSC Federal Sector Headquarters Falls Church VA $25,000
David Girard-diCarlo Washington DC $50,000
Direct Supply, Inc. Milwaukee WI $25,000
Donald J. Carty Dallas TX $100,000
Dr. Miriam Ochshorn Adelson Las Vegas NV $250,000
Duane Acklie Lincoln NE $100,000
Dwight C. Schar McLean VA $100,000
Edison Electric Institute Washington DC $25,000
Edison Electric Institute Washington DC $25,000
EDS Plano TX $100,000
Elliott Broidy Los Angeles CA $250,000
Entrepreneurial Capital Corporation Newport Beach CA $100,000
E-Team Communications Austin TX $50,000
Exxon Mobil Corporation Washington DC $250,000
Fairfax Reality, Inc. Salt Lake City UT $100,000
FedEx Corporation Memphis TN $250,000
First Data Corporation Greenwood Village CO $250,000
Ford Motor Company Dearborn MI $250,000
Frank Baxter Los Angeles CA $100,000
Frederick R. Meyer Dallas TX $25,000
George Richmond Earth City MO $50,000
GMAC Horsham PA $100,000
Golden Eagle Industries, Inc. Charlotte NC $250,000
H. Edward Baher Bluffton SC $250,000
Horizon Bay Management, LLC Tampa FL $25,000
Hratch Kaprielian New York NY $25,000
HSBC USA Inc. Mt. Prospect IL $25,000
Hunt Consolidated, Inc. Dallas TX $250,000
Hunter Engineering Company Bridgeton MO $100,000
Ilene L. Flaum and David M. Flaum Rochester NY $100,000
Independent Community Bankers of America Washington DC $100,000
International Paper Memphis TN $100,000
International Traders, INC Nashville NC $30,000
Intervest Construction, Inc. Daytona Beach FL $100,000
J. Ronald Terwilliger Key Largo FL $100,000
Jack Overstreet Englewood CO $100,000
James A. Haslam, II Knoxville TN $50,000
Jerome V. Ansel Boca Raton FL $100,000
JM Family Enterprises, Inc. Deerfield Beach FL $25,000
John Elliot Associates Charleston WV $30,000
John L. Kemmerer, III Morristown NJ $100,000
John W. Childs Boston MA $100,000
JPMorgan Chase Houston TX $100,000
KB Home Los Angeles CA $100,000
Kenneth J. Kies McLean VA $25,000
Kojaian Ventures, LLC Bloomfield Hill MI $250,000
Lawrence Auriana Greenwich CT $100,000
Lawrence Lacerte Dallas TX $25,000
Leach Capital, LLC San Francisco CA $100,000
Linger Longer Development Co. Greensboro GA $100,000
LMD Properties, LLC High Point NC $50,000
Lockheed Martin Corporation Arlington VA $100,000
Long Beach Acceptance Corp. Paramus NJ $250,000
Lydian Asset Management Westport CT $25,000
Marathon Oil Corporation Houston TX $25,000
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $100,000
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $150,000
Marna D. Schnabel Los Angeles CA $100,000
Marriott International, Inc. Washington DC $250,000
Marriott Vacation Club International Washington DC $250,000
Matthew R. Simmons Houston TX $100,000
Max M. Fisher Detroit MI $100,000
MCI Ashburn VA $25,000
Michael W. Murphy El Dorado AR $25,000
Microsoft Corporation Redmond WA $100,000
Morgan Stanley Jersey City NJ $100,000
Nancy and Jeffrey Marcus Dallas TX $100,000
Nancy and Rich Kinder Houston TX $250,000
National Association of Home Builders Washington DC $250,000
National Association of Realtors Chicago IL $50,000
Ned L. Siegel Boca Raton FL $100,000
Nelson Peltz New York NY $250,000
New Breed Corporate Services, Inc. Greensboro NC $25,000
New Breed Corporation Greensboro NC $25,000
New Century Mortgage Corporation Irvine CA $100,000
New Energy Corp. South Bend IN $250,000
Nicholas Taubman Roanoke VA $50,000
Northrop Grumman Los Angeles CA $100,000
Nuclear Energy Institute Washington DC $100,000
Occidental Petroleum Corporation Los Angeles CA $250,000
Office of the Commissioner of Baseball New York NY $100,000
Oracle Corporation Rocklin CA $100,000
Peabody Holding Company, Inc. St. Louis MO $100,000
Pepsi-Cola Company Purchase NY $100,000
Perennial Strategy Group, LLC Washington DC $25,000
Pfizer, Inc. New York NY $250,000
Phil Wendel Charlottesville VA $100,000
Pilot Corporation Knoxville TN $50,000
Piper Rudnick Washington DC $25,000
PricewaterhouseCoopers Tampa FL $25,000
Qualcomm Incorporated San Diego CA $100,000
Retzer Resources, Inc. Greenville MS $25,000
Richard Warren Lake Forest CA $100,000
Rick J. Caruso Los Angeles CA $100,000
Robert Day Los Angeles CA $100,000
Robert C. Rhein Interests, Inc. Cincinnati OH $100,000
Robert Frank Pence McLean VA $100,000
Robert W. Johnson, IV New York NY $100,000
Rooney Holdings, Inc. Tulsa OK $250,000
R. T. Farmer Cincinnati OH $100,000
S. Davis Phillips High Point NC $250,000
Sallie Mae, Inc. Reston VA $250,000
Sam & Marilyn Fox St. Louis MO $100,000
SBC Communications, Inc. Washington DC $100,000
ServiceMaster Memphis TN $25,000
Sheldon G. Adelson Las Vegas NV $250,000
Southern Company Atlanta GA $250,000
Stanley P. Whitcomb, Jr. Bonita Springs FL $25,000
Stephen A. Schwarzman New York NY $100,000
Stephens Group, Inc. Little Rock AR $250,000
Strongbow Technologies, Corp. Burtonsville MD $250,000
Susan and Michael Dell Austin TX $250,000
TC Management Partners IV, LLC Washington DC $100,000
Terry & Jane Semel Beverly Hills CA $125,000
The Boeing Company Arlington VA $100,000
The Coca Cola Company Washington DC $100,000
The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. New York NY $100,000
The Home Depot Washington DC $250,000
The Limited Service Corporation Columbus OH $100,000
The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, LLC Chevy Chase MD $250,000
The Shaw Group, Inc. Baton Rouge LA $100,000
The Timken Company Canton OH $250,000
The Washington Post Washington DC $100,000
Thien H. Nguyen Redington Beach FL $100,000
Thomas F. Petway, III Jacksonville FL $100,000
Thomas F. Stephenson Atherton CA $225,000
Time Warner New York NY $250,000
Titus Electrical Contracting, Inc. Austin TX $100,000
Tom Benson Metairie LA $50,000
Town and Country Credit Irvine CA $250,000
Toyota Motor North America, Inc. New York NY $25,000
TRT Holdings Inc. Irving TX $100,000
Tyson Springdale AR $100,000
Union Pacific Corporation Washington DC $100,000
United Parcel Service Roswell GA $250,000
United Technologies Hartford CT $250,000
UST Inc. Greenwich CT $250,000
Valhi, Inc. Dallas TX $100,000
Vernon G. Buchanan Sarasota FL $100,000
Wachovia Corporation Jacksonville FL $250,000
Washington Group International Boise ID $25,000
Washington Television Center Washington DC $250,000
Waste Management Service Center Houston TX $100,000
Well Care Health Plans, Inc. Tampa FL $100,000
William Earl Riggs Pleasantton CA $100,000
William O. DeWitt, Jr. Cincinnati OH $100,000
Williams & Jensen, PC Washington DC $50,000
* UPDATED AS OF FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2004

-Rudey

That was I think, the Inaguration event that went on two nights ago. The Bush Twins put it together. Apparently the lead singer of Fuel let an F-bomb go and created more controversy than Kid Rock's presense. It was all over Yahoo yesterday.

The news had a photo of Pres. Bush in 2001 and today. Boy, he has aged. I remember thinking the same thing in 1997 about Pres. Clinton.

I always like this day regardless of who wins. It's great to live in the United States.

I have a question: I always thought that when we are at war, the eagle on the Presidential Seal faced the arrows of war, but it is still facing the olive branches of peace. Is this incorrect?

It's actually an urban legend: http://www.snopes.com/history/american/turnhead.htm

I agree though, today is one of my favorite days; I think inauguration day is a excellent celebration and a very nice event.

The only problem I have with it is having celebrations when you are at war. I just don't think it's right.

-Rudey

Thanks. I guess I watched that episode of The West Wing.

This is actually the first I've heard of this, but come on... they should have known there was a huge risk of that guy dropping the F-bomb. I've seen Fuel in concert, and I heard the F-word there enough times to last me a lifetime.

i just wanna say that laura bush looks stunning! and i loved that gray coat one of the twins had on (i always get them mixed up). but i find it kinda scary that laura's hair has not moved....like, not at all.

:eek:

*yawn*

Thankfully I had better things to do....like sleep.

had better things to do than watch that crap

Like lament over the fact that Kerry lost?

-Rudey

work, class, errands

And Kerry lost cuz he's a giant douche
But since it was between 2 fucktards- I cant blame the people for not being able to tell who would be better

I think it's time to downgrade the inauguration. Looks like Bush hurt the DC economy today:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7384152

The cermony was good, watched some of the parade and speeches. Don't be so anti-fun just because the election didn't go your way and enjoy watching your president get inaugurated. (lol, your taxes are paying for it anyway :D


RUgreek

heh- the funniest part was when he said "I ask that you trust the evidence with your eyes"

oh wait- there are no WMD.

What other than having to choke down that hypocritical crap called a speach?

The 'We won't force our way of life or government on unwilling people' crap... well tell that too 150000 Iraqi's.. oh wait they are too "free" too hear it while acting as fertilizer :rolleyes:

Can't wait till the next 4 years are done and hopefully intelligence not religious hyprocitcal rhetoric gets a chance...

GWB the world's greatest killer in the last 2 years, short of the Tsumani... well just

I don't grade posts, but that needs some editing...

Yea, there is a good amount of lying in this administration, but let's be realistic about politics. He is our president and the country goes on. Nobody is asking you to like him, but the guy has earned the respect of the voters. I don't approve of some of his views, but that's what makes this country so great. You win some and you lose some...

And let's be honest, does anyone really think that Kerry was a worthy choice for president? I know he got a lot of votes, but most of them were pure democrats and non-bush votes. I still think a lot of people are secretly pleased that Kerry isn't behind the wheel.

And that relgious crap is annoying to me too. I really don't think I can stand hearing "G-d bless ____" from anyone in Washington anymore.


RUgreek

by the numbers...
 

A look at this week's festivities by the numbers:

$40 million: Cost of Bush inaugural ball festivities, not counting
security costs.

$2,000: Amount FDR spent on the inaugural in 1945…about $20,000 in
today's dollars.

$20,000: Cost of yellow roses purchased for inaugural festivities by
D.C.'s Ritz Carlton.

200: Number of Humvees outfitted with top-of-the-line armor for troops
in Iraq that could have been purchased with the amount of money blown
on the inauguration.

$10,000: Price of an inaugural package at the Fairmont Hotel, which
includes a Beluga caviar and Dom Perignon reception, a chauffeured
Rolls Royce and two actors posing as "faux" Secret Service agents,
complete with black sunglasses and cufflink walkie-talkies.

400: Pounds of lobster provided for "inaugural feeding frenzy" at the
exclusive Mandarin Oriental hotel.

3,000: Number of "Laura Bush Cowboy cookies" provided for "inaugural
feeding frenzy" at the Mandarin hotel.

$1: Amount per guest President Carter spent on snacks for guests at his
inaugural parties. To stick to a tight budget, he served pretzels,
peanuts, crackers and cheese and had cash bars.

22 million: Number of children in regions devastated by the tsunami who
could have received vaccinations and preventive health care with the
amount of money spent on the inauguration.

1,160,000: Number of girls who could be sent to school for a year in
Afghanistan with the amount of money lavished on the inauguration.

$15,000: The down payment to rent a fur coat paid by one gala attendee
who didn't want the hassle of schlepping her own through the airport.

$200,500: Price of a room package at D.C.'s Mandarin Oriental,
including presidential suite, chauffeured Mercedes limo and outfits
from Neiman Marcus.

2,500: Number of U.S. troops used to stand guard as President Bush
takes his oath of office

26,000: Number of Kevlar vests for U.S. soldiers in Iraq and
Afghanistan that could be purchased for $40 million.

$290: Bonus that could go to each American solider serving in Iraq, if
inauguration funds were used for that purpose.

$6.3 million: Amount contributed by the finance and investment
industry, which works out to be 25 percent of all the money collected.

$17 million: Amount of money the White House is forcing the
cash-strapped city of Washington, D.C., to pony up for inauguration
security.

9: Percentage of D.C. residents who voted for Bush in 2004.

66: Percentage of Americans who think this over-the-top inauguration
should have been scaled back.

Re: by the numbers...
 

Interesting numbers, LTA4,b ut you really need to quote a source for them

all things considered...the costs as quoted by the media throughout the week are extraordinary.

It was largely funded by private donation. And that rueters article reaks of blatant liberal propaganda. Elite media at its worst. I was there, it was great, it was so crowded it felt like woodstock. The protesters were at a minimum, despite their coverage by the media. I walked around everywhere, most of the protesters were told to shut up by the crowds and ended up walking away.

Security had to be in place, that is the world we live in today. There were no cars driving around downtown DC, but people were everywhere. I saw it with my own eyes, so I know how it played out. The media obviously did not cover it in the same way. Believe what you want.

So Dubya is doing cocaine again?

Ad Hominem

Really? How did they hurt it? How much was the hurt really? Do you have numbers? Please tell us.

-Rudey

You just can't stop. No it's great.

Let me repeat certain things:

1) YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN
2) YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

You also did not have to "choke down" Bush's speech. He is our president and while his speech may be broadcast in other regions of the world, you could easily switch to another program. But YOU didn't...you choked on it.

Right. I'm sure you know the exact number of people that died in Iraq based on silly websites which lack any statistical significance. In fact, many of them were killed by terrorists and other Iraqi thugs - remnants of Saddam's military.

But using your wonderful logic, I'm sure those million or so dead Iraqis, Kurds, and Iranians that wished they had our way of life so they wouldn't have died because of Saddam clearly outnumber your 150000.

And really it's great that you know what Iraqis want. They wanted to die in large numbers when Saddam ruled. And they sure as hell want to die in large numbers under his cronies. I'm sure they don't want Democracy. They don't want anything from Americans and want Bathists and terrorists to kill them.

Again, YOU DID NOT VOTE FOR THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT. We voted. And it wasn't about religion. If you actually read anything instead of constantly attacking American choices, you would know better. But you don't.

GWB the largest killer? Keep talking it up because your ignorance knows no bounds it seems. Also the tsunami wasn't the largest killer. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ LOUISE!

Are you ever content in just not insulting other countries, our voters, and our leaders?!?

-Rudey

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/21/op...?oref=login&hp

The New York Times

January 21, 2005

Bush's 'Freedom Speech'
By WILLIAM SAFIRE

Washington

On his way out of the first Cabinet meeting after his re-election, President Bush gave his longtime chief speechwriter the theme for the second Inaugural Address: "I want this to be the freedom speech."

In the next month, the writer, Michael Gerson, had a heart attack. With two stents in his arteries, the recovering writer received a call from a president who was careful not to apply any deadline pressure. "I'm not calling to see if the inaugural speech is O.K.," Bush said. "I'm calling to see if the guy writing the inaugural speech is O.K."

Yesterday's strongly thematic address was indeed "the freedom speech." Not only did the words "freedom, free, liberty" appear 49 times, but the president used the world-watched occasion to expound his basic reason for the war and his vision of America's mission in the world.

I rate it among the top 5 of the 20 second-inaugurals in our history. Lincoln's profound sermon "with malice toward none" is incomparable, but Bush's second was better than Jefferson's mean-spirited pouting at "the artillery of the press."

In Bush's "second gathering" (Lincoln called it his "second appearing"), the Texan evoked J.F.K.'s "survival of liberty" phrase to convey his central message: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands." Bush repeated that internationalist human-rights idea, with a slight change, in these words: "The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

The change in emphasis was addressed to accommodationists who make "peace" and "the peace process" the No. 1 priority of foreign policy. Others of us - formerly known as hardliners, now called Wilsonian idealists - put freedom first, recalling that the U.S. has often had to go to war to gain and preserve it. Bush makes clear that it is human liberty, not peace, that takes precedence, and that it is tyrants who enslave peoples, start wars and provoke revolution. Thus, the spread of freedom is the prerequisite to world peace.

It takes guts to take on that peace-freedom priority so starkly. Bush, by retaliatory and pre-emptive decisions in his first term - and by his choice of words and his tall stance in this speech, and despite his unmodulated delivery - now drives his critics batty by exuding a buoyant confidence reminiscent of F.D.R. and Truman.

He promised to use America's influence "confidently in freedom's cause." He jabbed at today's Thomases: "Some, I know, have questioned the global appeal of liberty, though this time in history, four decades defined by the swiftest advance of freedom ever seen, is an odd time for doubt."

Bush has seen the enemy and it is not us. Nor is it only a group of nations (the "axis of evil"). Nor is the prime enemy the tactic of terrorism.

The president identified the enemy (and did not euphemize it, as Nixon's writers did, as "the adversary") a half-dozen times in this speech. The archenemy of freedom, now as ever, is tyranny.

That's thinking big, with history in mind. That comes from reading Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident, and sends a message of hope to democrats jailed by despots in places like China, Zimbabwe and Saudi Arabia. Bush embraced "the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in the world," but added that our active encouragement of reform "is not primarily the task of arms."

That was also a reference to Iraq, where the greatest danger to postelection democracy is less from Zarqawi's terrorist murderers than from the legion of Baathists who want to re-impose Saddam's brand of tyranny.

A metaphorical nitpick: he said our liberation of millions lit "a fire in the minds of men ... and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners of our world." I would have replaced "this untamed fire," which could be dangerous, with "the light from this fire," which would have illuminated the "darkest corner." (Once a speechwriter ...)

Evidence that Bush's "freedom speech" was tightly edited for time was in his concluding evocation of Philadelphia's Liberty Bell. Cut out of a near-final draft was the line on the side of the bell from Leviticus that rings out Bush's theme: "Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof ..."

-Rudey

I think everyone is just whining here because they didn't get an invite to the gala. You would of also been so pissed if it was Kerry having the same lavish and expensive inaugural ball too, right?

http://www.peteandrews.net/site/images/map_pop_dens.jpg

Oooo... the standard knee0jerk reaction of any questioning of the administration of Heir BuSh... "liberal media"... the irony is that the reactionary brainwashed masses of the right sound just as moronic with the accusations as the reactionary brainwashed masses of the left...

Please stop attacking our country, our voters, and our leaders. It's getting old. We have asked you "nicely".

-Rudey

No I'm not an American (and damned proud of it)... but since you seem to have the right to comment on other countries and their actions why shouldn't I?

Jee... sorry for expressing my "freedom" and my "liberty"... perhaps you didn't listen to the same speech I did.. but I think BuSh may have mentioned the rights of everyone worldwide to these "rights" (no matter how hyporictical it sounded coming from him).

Sorry but yesterday was perhaps the most distasteful day in a long-time (well other than election day); because I had the displeasure to be hosting a Republican love-in watching...

So I got to hear the ignorant blow-hards such as yourself spout off about why the US and Bush are numero uno, and why Canada is a shitty little country - all tied into perhaps the worst of the rhetoric I've seen crawl out of the "red states"...

So I was told that Canada sucks because we are letting the "queers" corrupt our minds with their control of the media; Canada has never fought a war and has to hide behind the UK's or the US's skirts; at most maybe 20000 terrorist sympathizers have been killed in Iraq; Abu Gharib was nothing more than liberal media attacks; the US was/is the largest contributer of Tsumani relief; "liberty" and "freedom" are fundamental values that only Christains can understand; Non-Christians are the source of "terror and evil"; Canada was were the 9/11 terrorists came from; America has never lost a war; if it wasn't for the "liberal" media Bush would have gotten at least 75% of the vote; the terrorists supported Kerry; and so on... for a enlightening four hours...

Actually jackass the US military has tracked the number of casualities in the conflict as well... but since you don't have access to those numbers try looking up the numbers on the John Hopkins website - finally yes Saddam killed alot of people, but hey how long did he take? How long has the US been in Iraq? Hmmm sounds like the US is beating Saddam...


Alright then what prey tell was the largest killer in the last two years?


Finally a parting thought, that I did fire off at the jackasses yesterday:
"Why is it when Bush invokes God or talks about his mission from God he is a man expressing his great faith; but when another world leader - say a mulsim invokes Allah - that person is a religious fanatic or extremist?"