Did Alpha Phi stop doing alumni initiations?
 

This is a thread that is not against the rules and should not be erased. Some moderators haven't read the rules but I've got a persistent history of recreating threads that they erase for no reason and even though I didn't care before, now I do. This message is saved in a text message for quick copy-and-pasting should it disappear for no reason.

Again, let me ask:

I have heard that Alpha Phi has stopped doing alumni initiations. I don't know when they stopped and if it's still stopped or for how long if it still is.

I was wondering if anyone could shed some light onto if it has and for how long...if they know or can tell us anyway. If not, that's OK too.

Perhaps those ladies that go through alumni initiation would care to know so they don't waste time either.

-Rudey

Interesting - I hadn't heard this. It'd be a shame if they did, because it sounds like AF has gotten some great sisters through AI.

Rudey, where'd you hear this?

I'd rather not say who told me. The reason I posted it on GC was to check it out. But nobody was able to tell me otherwise and my thread was erased within a day. That's just plain insulting. Someone doesn't want to talk about it? Fine. But why try and control what other people say abuse your mod rights?

Nobody even PM'd me. Several moderators have personally asked me to remove things that weren't against the rules (for example pictures of pretty girls from their chapter in that one thread) but they just didn't like it, and I did it. By going down this route, you attract a lot more attention to it.

Good luck to all those who want to pursue alumni initiation. I don't know if Alpha Phi does them anymore, but I hope you become productive members of whatever GLO you join :)

-Rudey

I'm pretty sure that they have temporarily stopped to re-examine the system and how they can improve it.

That's all I got.

I believe bruinaphi posted a valid response the first time this question was asked.

There is a reason why this discussion was removed from this forum the first time around.

i don't know whether they did or not, but it's alpha phi's business and if they don't wish to have it discussed, then it shouldn't be.

Alumnae initiation is a form of membership selection, and things like this should be kept private and those outside of alpha phi should respect that

Let me repeat something for you since you had trouble understanding.

1) She didn't say yes or no, but that's fine. If someone else can, OK. If people want to make a simple question into a big deal, good for them though.

2) This thread was not against the rules and shouldn't have been deleted. That is why it's here. There is no first or second time. It is simply here since it was removed but in one thread.

-Rudey

It's fine that you don't know and all. No moderator needs to delete the thread. Respect the rules of Greekchat. You guys turned a simple question into a whole Roswell alien incident.

-Rudey

The mods all agree that topics regarding membership selection should stay off the boards, and that's why this discussion was removed from the forum.

It wasn't deleted, it was just removed. It's not a matter of abusing mod privilieges. It's about common sense and respect for the Fraternity's membership policies.

bruinaphi does not officially speak for Alpha Phi, but I think her answer was sufficient. It's a shame that you didn't think the same. You're not going to get a straight answer simply because you're not an Alpha Phi.

I have a feeling that this too shall be removed. Sorry.

Well I guess if it's in the moderators forum where people who aren't Alpha Phis can see it, then it's OK.

And I guess if talking about it here is disrespect, you guys will just disrespect Alpha Phi in there.

And since this isn't against the rules, if it's erased by any moderator I will repost it. You can all draw as much attention as you want to a simple question. If nobody had answered or if the thread was left alone it probably wouldn't be at the top of the alumni initiation forum. But OK.

-Rudey
--PS don't talk to me about shame sistah!

Reposting it won't do you any good.

You're still not going to get your answer.

That is fine.

It's great that you are so concerned about me getting my answer. You yourself do have a great record of kindness on Greekchat combined with a spirit to make all Greeks look better and I am happy that you want to see me get my answer.

The thread will be here and will be reposted if needed and it "won't do you any good" to worry so much.

-Rudey

If you want a straight answer, I moved the thread.

The reason was not because of what you posted, but how you showed a quote by bruinalphaphi that had your little addition added to it which as usual took things out of context by the wording.

I will leave this thread for a short time and it too will be delted as it is becoming a who does and what contest.

You may feel free to keep reposting to this thing or idea, but unless you stop things like adding your little added quote to a quote, it too will be deleted.

It is your decision and only yours.

I don't see why we are so sensitive about this thread...There is an AI thread that lists which orgs do and don't do AI, for reference. If any of that info has changed, it makes sense that we would want to keep it current.

Probably because AI is a very sensitive topic, period.

I believe it was navane who asked the same question a few months ago after it was posted on the Alpha Phi IHQ website that they were currently reviewing the AI process for those seeking membership. I remember going to see for myself, and there it was. I was curious because Alpha Phi was one of the few NPCs out there who had a link that actually gave out general AI info.

Anyway, navane was given the same answer Rudey was given -- the status of Alpha Phi's AI process was priviliged info, for only their members to know. This discussion does not violate any rules, but it's the mods' prerogrative to move or delete threads they feel are inappropriate.

The answer did not confirm or deny anything, so there wouldn't be enough info to update the "Which sorority does AI?" list, until their IHQ decides to officially announce something, of course.

That was not the reason for this post. That was not the reason for the move.

Reread my post and that should explain why. If not, then PM me or check Mod Thread.

Shouldn't it at least say that it is temporarily suspended on the list with all the Greek orgs doing alumni initiation if this was something on their own website?

-Rudey

No because since the question was originally asked last fall, Alpha Phi has updated the site. The gist is pretty much what bruinalphaphi said. Alpha Phi has an alumna initiate program but the specifics are for Alpha Phi eyes only.

Well, it looks like there's a whole lot of backstory to this. Let me explain, though, what it looks like to somebody who has no idea what's going on -- and didn't read any of the previous thread(s):


Asking IF AF has AI right now is a reasonable, appropriate question.

Asking what problems, if any, AF is having with AI is NOT a reasonable or appropriate question.



Looks for all the world like Rudey's asking the first question. There are probably a lot of women on this board who'd like the answer to that. AF is a highly respected organization with a great sisterhood, and (to my knowledge) has one of the best AI programs out there.

Now, if there's more to the story that I'm seeing -- like another thread where this topic was brought up, and addressed disrespectfully -- that's different. But keep in mind most of us are seeing the information in this thread for the first time.

FYI: When AOII restructured their AI program, there was time of several months when the program was not "active." When the new program was unvieled, it was better than ever and easier to understand...complete with wonderful color brochures and packets and easy to understand directions. :)

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The specifics are for Alpha Phi eyes. Fine. I didn't ask bruinaphi for the specifics after she said she couldn't respond. But perhaps there should be a general note that there is a suspension and that they don't know if the suspension is over. This was on their website you're all saying, right? It's not a secret.

I've never once said anything bad about Alpha Phi right people? I have never once insulted anything regarding the sorority or any sorority, in fact. I've seen several Alpha Phi chapters and there wasn't one I didn't like. Why I posed the question is not anyone's concern, but I didn't do it with malintent so I would appreciate it if people stopped attacking me and using foul language.

-Rudey

I don't speak for Alpha Phi as an organization, but whether or not Alpha Phi does alumnae initiation is relevant only to interested potential members and Alpha Phis.

Personally I don't think a discussion of alumnae initiation belongs on greekchat or any other internet site for that matter. If a woman is interested, she should be able to figure out who to contact. If a woman is an Alpha Phi, she either knows the current status of the alumnae initiation program or knows who to ask at the Executive Office.

Why does anyone think it's necessary to spell out who does alumnae initiation and how on a message board?

Again, we talk about rush in the rush forum and discuss many schools and organizations. It's OK to say that the sororities at Colorado are not doing rush immediately in the year but are having deferred rush (so I guess temporarily they aren't doing recruitment just like Alpha Phi isn't).

In this alumni initation forum, we talk about alumni initiation. There are threads on who does it and it is not against the rules. It was also something posted on the Alpha Phi website, from what I understand, so it's public. Some people may like it, some may not.

I am glad people can be civil and those that do want to talk about it, can.

-Rudey

Rudey,

I believe I did answer your question in my original response, but since you decided to mock the information provided rather than read it I will again.

ALPHA PHI HAS ALUMNAE INITIAION RIGHT NOW. As I posted previously, "Candidates for alumnae initiation in Alpha Phi include: (1) A mother, stepmother or female relative of an Alpha Phi in good standing; (2) A woman who has been involved and continues to be involved in Alpha Phi activities and functions; or (3) A woman whose public stature or professional accomplishments evidence her value as a potential member of the Fraternity."

Whether or not we suspended our program for any period of time is not the business of anyone who is not a member of our fraternity. If we didn't have a program, or the program wasn't active, the response in the AI Assistance Advice Forum would be different.

Thank you for your interest in Alpha Phi, can we please move on?

I think it's relevant.

For the same reason that we read how other sororities prepare for rush.... or maintain their websites.... or deal with problems with membership.... or maintain alumni relations.

We have a lot to teach and learn from each other. And if you're into the ideals of Panhell, anything we can do to grow individually helps the NPC (and, well, sororities in general) as a whole. That's why there are threads about "list your favorite thing about any sorority other than your own" and such.

I agree that it's none of our (meaning, non-AF initated) business WHY AF has/did/might have suspended their AI program.

But, there's really no reason for AF to pretend like nothing's going on. They're not doing anything wrong. In fact, they're quite obviously doing something very RIGHT to have so many women interested in AI with AF that this subject would come up!

What would've been great is a little note on their website saying, "AF is currently reorganizing (or whatever) our AI program. More info when it becomes available." Simple, but gets the point across.

INITAION? I assume you mean initiation. You did help me realize my mistake on the whole alumni mistake. I won't say you mocked my question, but perhaps I was slightly perturbed by it.

OK so basically the suspension is over. Fine. That's what I wanted to know and now I know. No need to hide this entire business as if the sorority had something bad to hide up. Now interested women who want to do alumni initiation know that the program is open to them and for others who just are interested in general, they know about it too.

Again I didn't say anything bad about Alpha Phi and in fact your own chapter at UCLA is pretty impressive. Thank you for caring about my interest in your organization.

-Rudey

According to GC members their website did say that.

According to bruinaphi, they stopped the suspension and are doing alumni initiation.

Right?

-Rudey

Well, I think this should about exhaust all answers and questions the need to be asked or answered.

Let us move on.:cool:

There are 4 I's in initiation, my dear.

And Alpha Phi (and any other ALL FEMALE GREEK LETTERED ORGANIZATION) does alumnae initiation, not alumni initiation. Good grief. :rolleyes:

This thread has gone on long enough. It is going no where.

Many People have asked to have this thread deleted.

I dont like deleting any thread and will delete it in 24 hours unless My Fellow Mod disagrees.

Why would this thread be deleted?

Valid question, and the lovely Alpha Phis on this board have been great about answering it.

The thread isn't against the rules Tom. If it is deleted it will be reposted. The people who have asked you to delete it should consider whether they want to make it into a huge issue or just let the thread be. I mean if new threads are created constantly it will also ALWAYS be listed as one of the new threads on GC. Think of all that attention.

Again, the thread violated no rule.

-Rudey

Co-sign!!

sweetheart, that "cosign" just bumped this thread back onto the main page.