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RACooper 01-11-2005 04:26 PM

Racial Supremacist on GC
 
Well it looks like this particular brand of human filth is alive and well on GC, breeding in the dark... the best way to kill it though is to expose it.

For those who don't know we have a "man" (I use the term losely) on GC preaching his brand of racial supremacy, eugenics, and misogyny....

PHAShriner/1906
http://www.greeksource.com/gcforums/...o&userid=39428
is the member that I'm speeking of - and I'm sure that those who have dealt with him know what I mean.

He has even produced a website outlining some of his posionous beliefs:
http://www.blacktown.net/

For those wishing to see a discussion of his website:
http://www.greeksource.com/gcforums/...5&pagenumber=1

Finally a tidbit of his thoughts from said thread:
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Mr. Cooper I am pleased to read that you acknowledge we both share different interests. Insofar as your mentionining your belief of "equality" for the races I can only find such quite humorous yet typical of the pluralistic mindsets of individuals such as yourself who have been the direct BENEFACTORS of but one of the most WICKED DEEDS to have ever been FORCED upon MY PEOPLE! Your alluding to the field of anthropology too was quite quaint. I guess you subscribe to the barbaric, parasitic souls of Darwin, Leaky, and even Rhodes not to mention other infidels who claimed and toyed with that which was clearly not theirs. If you choose to poke your chest out with the affirmation that you have "black friends" who you so claim to be ALPHAS that is YOUR issue not mine. I am far too a realist to accept the frivolous notion that since you are friends with them you are to be friends with me. I liken you to being my enemy, because that is how I classify YOUR TYPES! I have a vast working knowledge of EUGENICS coupled w/race relations. If ever you desire to interact on a scholarly level perhaps I can enlighten you to the SHAME you should have and the need for YOUR KIND to repent! Your reference to my being a "racist" I proudly ACCEPT! Yes, I am a RACIST. I am forever attempting to study and become proficient with the subject matter. As for my counseling and mentoring BLACK YOUTH more especially BLACK BOYS I must state for the record that I have a mission to TEACH and REACH them. My son is in the eigth grade and is acquiring a working and realistic knowledge of YOUR KIND along w/your dastardly history. No need to worry, because he will not date your girls. My son is being groomed to be an ALPHAMAN and is being taught by his BLACK FATHER the importance of preserving his race and carrying on his family legacy by understanding that he MUST date only BLACK FEMALES and eventually MARRY A BLACKWOMAN! Thanks for catching my drift. You can be cool with me though but only on a limited level as you are not of ME and I am not of you. ok?
I felt that it was high time that this creature was exposed to the rest of GC... Racial supremacy has no place on GC, in GLOs, or in society - this type of crap should be condemned, expunged and the member tossed.

TheEpitome1920 01-11-2005 04:40 PM

Do you think that racism is a necessary evil in a capitalist society?

RACooper 01-11-2005 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Do you think that racism is a necessary evil in a capitalist society?
I think racisim is an evil pure and simple, something that has no place in society at all.

TheEpitome1920 01-11-2005 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RACooper
I think racisim is an evil pure and simple, something that has no place in society at all.
Well inequality in general isn't pleasant but it helps create identity. It solidifies in people's minds "the other".

Just a thought. Not saying its right, just saying what it is.

KSig RC 01-11-2005 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Well inequality in general isn't pleasant but it helps create identity. It solidifies in people's minds "the other".

Just a thought. Not saying its right, just saying what it is.



Specious at best.

TheEpitome1920 01-11-2005 05:40 PM

Races were created to justify inequality. IMHO.

RACooper 01-11-2005 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Races were created to justify inequality. IMHO.
Sounds a little backwards... historically the first written records that talk of "races" (Eygptian) uses skin colour as a measure of a person's place of origin; a means of classification or description. I think that "races" were created as a way of classifying people, a descriptive term, because it is common for people to use visual cues in describing a person or object.

KSig RC 01-11-2005 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Races were created to justify inequality. IMHO.

who cares? isn't the ideal to retain a 'cultural' identity while promoting racial equality?

Kevlar281 01-11-2005 06:39 PM

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Originally said by Hooper
For years in this industry, whenever an African American character, hero or villain, was introduced - usually by white artists and writers - they got slapped with racist names that singled them out as Negroes. Now, my book, "White-Hating Coon," don't have none of that bullshit. The hero's name is Maleekwa, and he's descended from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet, while all you European motherfuckers were hiding out in caves and shit, all terrified of the sun. He's a strong role model that a young black reader can look up to. Cause I'm here to tell you, the chickens is coming home to roost, y'all. The black man's no longer gonna play the minstrel in the realm of comics and sci-fi fantasy. We keepin it real, and we gonna get respect by any means necessary.
/edit: This is just the first thing I thought of when I checked out the website.

Optimist Prime 01-11-2005 06:51 PM

I think Christiananity is the cause of all racism. I would go into detail explaining this, but I know you'll just scroll down to the end. So anyway, here is a chicken. http://www.intothewoods.us/HikerMama/chicken.jpg

RACooper 01-11-2005 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
I think Christiananity is the cause of all racism. I would go into detail explaining this, but I know you'll just scroll down to the end. So anyway, here is a chicken.
So the whole idea of racsim in ancient Egypt was due to Christianity? Interesting proof of time travel :rolleyes:

Rudey 01-11-2005 06:56 PM

Is this guy in the Nation of Islam? The whole bean pie comment and all...

-Rudey

TheEpitome1920 01-11-2005 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
who cares? isn't the ideal to retain a 'cultural' identity while promoting racial equality?
People who are subject to inequality probably care but that's another arguement. I'm confused by this 'ideal'. But I don't think racial and equality work together because the seperation of people into groups implies inequality and a power relation. More likely than not people don't choose their race/ethnicity, it was imposed upon them/given to them. i.e. the term African. Last time I checked all the countries in Africa didn't convene to answer the question "what shall we call our continent?"

TheEpitome1920 01-11-2005 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RACooper
Sounds a little backwards... historically the first written records that talk of "races" (Eygptian) uses skin colour as a measure of a person's place of origin; a means of classification or description. I think that "races" were created as a way of classifying people, a descriptive term, because it is common for people to use visual cues in describing a person or object.
I think Race is a combination of physical characteristics and socio-political status. It wasn't as simple as describing someone but also cementing their status within that particular society. South Africa's apartheid system is one example of that.

Lady Pi Phi 01-11-2005 08:46 PM

Quote:

...and we gonna get respect by any means necessary.
In regard to this line,

respect is not demanded it's earned. If you have to demanded it by using "any means necessary" you're not getting respect, you're getting fear.

James 01-11-2005 11:29 PM

Well he is entitled to his point of view.

Sistermadly 01-12-2005 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
People who are subject to inequality probably care but that's another arguement. I'm confused by this 'ideal'. But I don't think racial and equality work together because the seperation of people into groups implies inequality and a power relation.
If that's the case, shouldn't "we" be the first ones to let go of racial identifiers, seeing as how with respect to the so-called dominant culture, we're on the losing end of this equation?

Sistermadly 01-12-2005 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
In regard to this line,

respect is not demanded it's earned. If you have to demanded it by using "any means necessary" you're not getting respect, you're getting fear.

Unfortunately in today's society, the two terms are equal. :(

Tom Earp 01-12-2005 12:18 AM

James, yes, He is entitled to his point of view as We all are.


Lady Pi Phi, True That!:cool:


KSig RC, Your Post kind of narrows it down.

TheEpitome1920, while what you say is true, you waft to much on race issues dont you? Remember, I do not have to like someone, it doesnt make a s**t to me what race they are. They act like ass wholes, then they are treated like such.

I have heard many or a couple of storys about why there are colors of people, Cain Killed Able and He became Black showing the Mark of Evil, or the Tower of Babal?:eek:

Who in the heck knows, were I our you there?:rolleyes:

EPTriSigma 01-12-2005 01:32 AM

I think what is interesting is to reseach, is how racial identity has changed throughout history. In addition, how race itself has been defined.

TheEpitome1920 01-12-2005 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sistermadly
If that's the case, shouldn't "we" be the first ones to let go of racial identifiers, seeing as how with respect to the so-called dominant culture, we're on the losing end of this equation?
You could, but is it easy? Individuals have constructed their lives (understanding of themselves and their place in the world) around it. Heck, some people would die and have killed others because of their understanding of their race and the race of others.

TheEpitome1920 01-12-2005 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Earp


TheEpitome1920, while what you say is true, you waft to much on race issues dont you? Remember, I do not have to like someone, it doesnt make a s**t to me what race they are. They act like ass wholes, then they are treated like such.

I have heard many or a couple of storys about why there are colors of people, Cain Killed Able and He became Black showing the Mark of Evil, or the Tower of Babal?:eek:

Who in the heck knows, were I our you there?:rolleyes:

Glad you got that out of your system. Unfortunately, I don't have to remember or care what you think. :)

LightBulb 01-12-2005 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom Earp
I have heard many or a couple of storys about why there are colors of people, Cain Killed Able
If you're simply speaking Biblically, I *heard* that it was one of Noah's sons, not Cain.

Hmm. I can't think of anything else productive of my own to add to the thread, so I'll leave you with a quote.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://tinypic.com/18gplj

Lady Pi Phi 01-12-2005 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
Unfortunately in today's society, the two terms are equal. :(
Yes, you are right. But it just makes me so mad that people have done this.

KSig RC 01-12-2005 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
People who are subject to inequality probably care but that's another arguement.

You're burning the candle at both ends here.


Quote:

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
I'm confused by this 'ideal'.

My bad - this was a bit too proverbial, I meant to inquire if that didn't, in fact, seem the ideal promoted by civil rights movements. Certainly, racial superiority was never a part of any of them, that I can recall . . .


Quote:

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
But I don't think racial and equality work together because the seperation of people into groups implies inequality and a power relation.

It doesn't 'imply' this any more than separating third-grade classes implies an inequality between the classes. This may well have been how this has worked to this point specifically regarding race relations, but by no means does that implicitly mean this is the only way it can occur.

Also, you're being exceptionally evasive here - it's almost like you're resigning yourself to a caste system based on race. How defeatist, and how ridiculous.

Quote:

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
More likely than not people don't choose their race/ethnicity, it was imposed upon them/given to them. i.e. the term African. Last time I checked all the countries in Africa didn't convene to answer the question "what shall we call our continent?"
Strawman at best, non sequitur at worst.

TheEpitome1920 01-12-2005 11:46 AM

It is not my intention to present a case that all hope is lost. That is a stupid assumption to make on anyones part.

Rudey 01-12-2005 12:17 PM

I love how this turned from a discussion about Mr. IStandOnStreetCornersAndScreamCrazyThings's website to some BS conversation on race overall. This nutjob has made racist and anti-semitic remarks. He has also attacked women. He can go back to worshipping Yakub or whatever the hell he does when he's not on meds.

-Rudey

RACooper 01-12-2005 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EPTriSigma
I think what is interesting is to reseach, is how racial identity has changed throughout history. In addition, how race itself has been defined.
Too true... being a history and anthropolgy major the concept of race and/or racism comes up quite abit - particularly when you deal with evolutionary theories or African history. The first records all point to race being a discriptive term used to classify "others" not of your same community (be it clan, tribe, or state) - eventually you see it evolve as the cultures clashed into a more complex term used to both classify and measure both the people and their percieved worth, advancement, or "human-ness"... so for example the Eygptians considered themselves better than the Nubians because the Nubians were darker and less advanced; traits they associated with racial conitations - while conversely the Nubians saw themselves as better than the Egyptians because of their own darker skin, and because of their "moral" superiority; traits that the Nubians linked to race as well.

kafromTN 01-12-2005 02:55 PM

Let's not forget that guy's website also has Anti-Catholic comments too.

sigtau305 01-12-2005 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Well he is entitled to his point of view.
Having the freedom of speech can be both a curse and a blessing, depending on one's opinion about certain subjects.

Phasad1913 01-12-2005 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RACooper
Too true... being a history and anthropolgy major the concept of race and/or racism comes up quite abit - particularly when you deal with evolutionary theories or African history. The first records all point to race being a discriptive term used to classify "others" not of your same community (be it clan, tribe, or state) - eventually you see it evolve as the cultures clashed into a more complex term used to both classify and measure both the people and their percieved worth, advancement, or "human-ness"... so for example the Eygptians considered themselves better than the Nubians because the Nubians were darker and less advanced; traits they associated with racial conitations - while conversely the Nubians saw themselves as better than the Egyptians because of their own darker skin, and because of their "moral" superiority; traits that the Nubians linked to race as well.
So, in this, one of if not the most intellectually advanced nation in the world, why do people still continue to speak in terms of race if it is such a "socially constructed" term? I personally believe what you have written here in addition to other things about the created notion of various races but I always wonder when this viewpoint will permeate throughout the society so people will stop the supremacy complexes.

DeltaSigStan 01-12-2005 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
I always wonder when this viewpoint will permeate throughout the society so people will stop the supremacy complexes.
I agree...ask any person of color who's been called "white-washed".....

Or, those certain people who LOVE to tell me that "Filipinos are the 'Black' Asians".... :rolleyes:

EPTriSigma 01-12-2005 03:50 PM

What is interesting is that at one point Italians and Greeks were considered "black" in America.

Rudey 01-12-2005 03:58 PM

Phasad how do you feel about his website since the thread is about that? :)

-Rudey

Phasad1913 01-12-2005 06:06 PM

I think he clearly has some issues regarding his self image and race in America. I think it has a lot to do with perhaps how he was raised, the environment that he has been exposed to and his reaction to what he knows (or doesn't know) about the history of this country, the world and his being black. His anger could be masking a lot of pain and confusion or he could simply be an angry person who has chosen to, whether he realizes it or not, focus that anger on whom he presumes to be the cause or perpetrators of the suffering he feels.

I haven't been to and don't plan to visit his website. Just by judging him by the comments he has made on this board and people that I know who think similarly to him, these are some of the things I believe are going on with him.

Also, I don't really care what the thread was originally about, I commented on what I wanted to comment on and that is that. You should know that about me by now Rudey.

preciousjeni 01-12-2005 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
I always wonder when this viewpoint will permeate throughout the society so people will stop the supremacy complexes.
Amen!

Senusret I 01-12-2005 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LightBulb
Hmm. I can't think of anything else productive of my own to add to the thread, so I'll leave you with a quote.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
- Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://tinypic.com/18gplj

When all else fails, post pictures of prominent Alphas! :D

TheEpitome1920 01-12-2005 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Senusret I
When all else fails, post pictures of prominent Alphas! :D
:p

RACooper 01-12-2005 06:40 PM

Well it's all okay... because after all he's a "positive" racist... or so the thinking goes on in the other thread. :rolleyes:

Rudey 01-12-2005 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
I think he clearly has some issues regarding his self image and race in America. I think it has a lot to do with perhaps how he was raised, the environment that he has been exposed to and his reaction to what he knows (or doesn't know) about the history of this country, the world and his being black. His anger could be masking a lot of pain and confusion or he could simply be an angry person who has chosen to, whether he realizes it or not, focus that anger on whom he presumes to be the cause or perpetrators of the suffering he feels.

I haven't been to and don't plan to visit his website. Just by judging him by the comments he has made on this board and people that I know who think similarly to him, these are some of the things I believe are going on with him.

Also, I don't really care what the thread was originally about, I commented on what I wanted to comment on and that is that. You should know that about me by now Rudey.

Which of these words would you choose to call him:

1) bigot
2) racist
3) anti-semite
4) anti-catholic
5) sexist who advocates awful things against women
6) all of the above

What bothers me isn't exactly his words - it's how others respond. To me people attacked hoosier (I thought justly, others might not) with those labels. I don't see as much against this guy.

-Rudey


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