them there grades
 

do outfits still require a certain grade achievement for the
initiation into the club these days? Wonder what they are?
Do special groups get special breaks on grades in order to
keep them in school? I do not understand and the press is
not clear on the matter. Things change, I realize, but can you
all clarify this without gettin' all bent out of shape?

Re: them there grades
 

What club are you talking about?

Each sorority and fraternity is different, but I think that they all have minimum GPA requirements that must be met in order to be initiated and to be an active member in good standing. Also individual campuses set academic standards also. You can look at each website to see these requirements.

For DPhiE from the website

"Academic Achievement
Each member must maintain a cumulative grade point average of 2.25 on a 4.0 grading scale, and/or maintain an average above the college or university's all-women's average, whichever is higher. Members must individually maintain a minimum cumulative 2.50 GPA on a 4.0 grading scale in order to be eligible to run for or hold a position on the Leadership Team."

Uhh Yeah...

Nationwide for Beta, it is a 2.5 - Beta was the first to Nationally require a GPA higher than the host institution's for academic good standing...that was done in 1997 I believe.

For my chapter, we require a 2.6

Erik, have you ever tried your hand at writing in iambic pentameter?

thank you all
 

thank you all for satisfactorily answering my query regarding a
required g.p.a. I knew Beta had some higher standards, and I
am encouraged others have similar stances. To each his/her own, and may we Greeks continue to lead. It seems to be true
that FarmHouse fraternity, mostly on aggie campuses, has some
rather stringent scholarship expectations, too.

The NIC, as part of its standards for NIC member organizations, will require the following by September 2005, according to the NIC web site:

"2. Member organization policies will include:

. . .
Each associate/pledge/new member has a minimum high school GPA of 2.3 for first semester freshman year and (whichever is appropriate per NIC member decision)

-minimum college GPA of 2.25 thereafter;

-or has a GPA at or above each campus all-men’s average
thereafter (implemented no later than September 1, 2005)


Annual cumulative GPA of (whichever is appropriate per NIC member decision)

-at least a 2.5 for each chapter

-or at or above each campus all-men’s average
(implemented no later than September 1, 2005)"

I'm glad we ditched the NIC. I am not sure what a trade organization is doing trying to mandate rules like that.

People get 2.3 GPAs in high school and still make it into college? I suppose they are the ones who earn 2.25 GPAs in college.

While every Greek organization exists for whatever reason it decides and can decide grades don't matter, I find it a shame that any student receives that GPA and that a chapter would accept them without thought.

-Rudey

Last year the average gpa for pledges on my campus was a 1.5 (on a 4.0 scale). Two fraternity's pledges had less than a 1.0 gpa average.

If your GLO's average GPA is good let the school know about it. Its great PR. We makes sure our Dean of Students knows about it as our school is always looking for ammo to make the frats look bad.

I believe Tri Sigma nationally requires a 2.5 to be bid. You also need 2.5 to be initiated.

ETA: The majority of the chapters on my campus have the same requirement with the exception of one which is a 2.75.

I don't think there's a such thing as "too high". I believe the University of TX Panhellenic groups have HS GPA requirements of 3.0 and higher, which I think is great.:)

my dear, how high do you think a GPA has to be in order to be considered too high? Personally, I would love it if every collegiate had at least a 3.0 and so much the better if she/he has a higher GPA - all the way up to 4.0 on a 4.0 scale...and higher if it's a high school GPA, considering that at some schools AP classes are weighted as 5 points out of a possible 4 (thus making a B in an AP class equivalent to an A in a regular class).
Some of us don't have wonderful GPAs, but since college is about class and learning, many organizations have established minimums. Beyond that, many chapters have set standards above these national minimum GPAs.

Phi Kappa Psi at UT Austin requires a 3.2 for initiating. Their chapter GPA is 3.2

Our colony hasn't set anything yet- but we're most likely going to model any GPA requirements after our chapter at the University of Iowa. Phi Psi has a 6 week pledge program but they dont get initiated until grades come in, so would be nice to see how they modeled their program.

dumbing down
 

I find it nigh on impossible to believe any chapter anywhere does
require an over 3.0 (4.0=A) gpa for initiation
UNLESS
the old gentleman's C has become a B
Perhaps the gutless wonders and bleeding hearts have been so
intimidated that they no longer flunk anyone.
Yes, I flat-out find this unbelievable....
This is incredible! Would sure like to see corroboration on this!

our Inter Fraternity and Sorority Council requires a cumulative of 2.2 to be counted as Active for each organization.

Sigma Psi Kappa requires a 2.4 GPA. If an active sister has 2.0-2.399 then she is placed on probationary status for one semester. (less than 2.0 puts her on University Academic Probation- which results in the sisters having to be inactive until she is taken off of her university's probation)

we have study hours 2 times a week and if our gpa's are between the IFSC and our requirement...we have to go to them.

what good is a sister [or brother] who fails out of school? what good is a sorority [or fraternity] who allows her sisters [or brothers] to fail?

Re: dumbing down
 

I think most of these 3.0s are referring to high school grades. Which, at most schools, you need to get into college anyway -- so I don't think it's that surprising.

I believe Kappa Sig's standard is a 2.3, which we followed.

Re: dumbing down
 

The 3.2 for initiation is what I was told from a now-retired professor from UT Austin- Arthur Rauch- who was their campus adviser for 20+ years.

3.2 g p a
 

I was in the ed biz and fraternity volunteer arena too long to
believe the UTex Phi Psi g.p.a. requirement...baloney
It would be great if all our folks would get good grades and
cease and desist from throwing up on the Pike porch...
And I do think FarmHouse and the Betas likely have the highest
standards as regards grade point expectations for the NIC men's
groups. I am not addressing any other groups, by the way.
But, please do not get all bent out of shape as I mean this as a positive post. But 3.2-- bullshit...not even close.

If I had to guess who had the highest GPAs I would probably pick one of the smaller old line fraternities or fraternities that are smaller and at better schools, but that's just me.

-Rudey

I'd say that would be a pretty good guess. Although recently we have put a lot of effort into recolonizing a couple of larger chapters that were closed (Including Ohio State), our totally new chapter efforts have been on smaller, more selective and academically oriented schools.

I've noticed for a few orgs, that alumni from the top schools donate quite a bit of money even though they don't have large chapters. I think certain GLOs may start focusing more on these schools.

-Rudey

I don't know...while I recognize that there are exceptions to every rule, I think standards such as that aren't so bad. If someone is getting lower than a 2.3, they should probably be concentrating on school and not pledging/the chapter.

Agreed!!!

2.5 minimum for initiation though 3.0 is standard. We generally take only second semester freshmen and beyond, so no high school grades.

ETA: This is for undergrads. Graduate, Alumnae and Professional (GAP) membership has its own initiation requirements.

I just wonder if We/Acedemians are not trying to live in utopia?

Remember, while all Nationals have GPA Initiation requierments, (LXA 2.5), there is much more to it than that!

As we have read, "The Deleware Plan", some what negates GPA because Greeks have to be participants in many other things when We as Greeks Do it Ourselves.

Now, that brings up other quetions doesnt it?

According To LXA and I am sure Most Other Nationals because of Risk Management, You cannot require a New Associate to have Study Time. So, We dont, ludecrious as it sounds, that is the way it is.:mad:

Keep Grades, first, To Graduate, Keep Grades to keep Active or be Initiated!

What is Wrong with this scenerio?

Getting Tired!!!!! Crap does not run uphill!:rolleyes:




Just in so adding:

Pitt. State avg: .05
All Greek: 2.94
Frat.: 2.76

LXA: 3.34


From Fall Smester of 2004.

Not bad for a Silly State U. in Kansas!:cool:

Re: dumbing down
 

In the early '70s, the all-fraternity, all-men's, and all-campus GPA average at GA Tech was around 2.3/2.4, and the Gentleman's 'C' was acceptable.

Now all of these averages are around, or slightly above, 3.0. A few chapters have 3.5 GPAs.

Two big things have contributed to this:

1 - Vietnam War. If you got bad grades, you got drafted, so the profs started giving everyone good grades

2 - Georgia's HOPE scholarship program, funded by the state-wide lottery. You earn a HOPE (full tuition, fees, books) for a high school average of 3.0 or higher, and you get it renewed if you get a 3.0 in college. The profs want the students to hang around, so they've devalued grades.

The same has happened at all GA campuses.

yep
 

yep, and as the kids flunked out, the professors were threatened
with position cuts due to enrollment drops. Hence higher grades.
Is an A at Yale the same as an A at Slippery Rock?
I flunked a football player at a major U once, almost got kicked
out of grad school. The grade was changed (not by me) the
jock made All-American and I finished my degree, got the H out
of there. Blowing the whistle will end a career, you better believe that, too. Alums want winners, they care not how--
But to infer kids are smarter is folly. Grades are given at many schools at an inflated rate.
My dau got out of CU with a 4.0, entered graduate nursing with
that g.p.a. and was graduated there with a 4.0, ranking 13th in
her class. Some transfer students had come in with A+ grades.
Interesting the flunk-out rate of transfers from some community
colleges to major universities.
Naw, I want greeks to get good grades, yes, but are we just
fooling ourselves on some campi?

**SNAPS** as the kids say!:)

Grades now seem to be given whether it Be at Harvard Yard, or Podunk U. depending on Athletics too.

Reminds me of a Young Man who Graduated from Creighton U. went on to play Pro NBA Ball. Couldnt read!:mad:

Team sent Him back to school so He could learn to read and started at the 3 rd grade level!

Seems like anywhere else, economics, come into play here. Boils down to $$$$$$$$$$!

In most Schools, you are a number, and the Proffs. are there collecting their money. You are there or not, it msakes no difference, seats full or seats empty.