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Senusret I 01-06-2005 07:21 AM

31 year old AKA Statue deemed "inappropriate"
 
Quote:

"I had questions about the appropriateness of a Greek goddess on a campus with a Christian heritage," [President] Reed said. "It is inconsistent with the mission and heritage of the college."
http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...ST03010605.htm

sugar and spice 01-06-2005 07:49 AM

Wow.

I just don't understand things like this at all. What's next, removing all the artwork that has a non-Christian theme from the buildings on campus? Removing all the books with non-Christian themes from the library?

As one of the people quoted in the article said -- they're not getting down on their knees and worshipping it. I fail to see what's inappropriate about it.

But I guess as long as the sorority is okay with its removal, that's the important part.

FSUZeta 01-06-2005 08:37 AM

what a shame
 
i guess the new bethune-cookman president would have "david" removed too? aka's everywhere can be proud of their sorors who acted with the grace , beauty and dignity typified by their organization.

and honestly, the first thing that popped into my mind before i read the whole article was,"i wonder if the president is a member of a different sorority." and then low and behold, it is confirmed in the article.

RUgreek 01-06-2005 11:57 AM

Visiting Europe and some universities there, the one thing I enjoyed seeing were the hundreds of statues and artwork all over the campuses. It's a real shame they got to find a back-ass meaning that this partially nude statue is degrading women and should be taken down. I think they should of just added a male statue by her side to make it feel equal and not alone...

RUgreek

Sistermadly 01-06-2005 12:49 PM

People like this give Christians a bad name.

greeklawgirl 01-06-2005 01:18 PM

This is absolutely silly. Just when you think you've heard everything...

HPU PIKE 01-06-2005 02:02 PM

it's interesting that a statue that is more-often-than-not interpreted as depicting a strong, beautiful, and graceful "Goddess" might hinder the "mission of mentoring young WOMEN to respect their bodies." Seems like a bit of a contradiction to me?

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i guess the new bethune-cookman president would have "david" removed too?
Quote:

What's next, removing all the artwork that has a non-Christian theme from the buildings on campus? Removing all the books with non-Christian themes from the library?
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LightBulb 01-06-2005 03:17 PM

"And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love..."
 
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Originally posted by FSUZeta
i guess the new bethune-cookman president would have "david" removed too?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the statue David depict the Biblical David (as in King David... killed Goliath...)? If so, then the statue would be a Christian symbol. ;)

However, I think this whole situation is ridiculous! I'm sure the statue was beautiful. There is no reason to believe that it would be crude just because of partial nudity.

By the way, I attend a Christian (Catholic) university, and we do not discriminate based on religion. I doubt they do either (and if they don't, the statue never should have been an issue), although I could not find a non-discrimination policy for religion on their website.

But I did find something funny:

"As the president of Bethune-Cookman College, I enjoy spending time with students who engage in reflective thinking. An inquiry into new meaning is at the heart of the educational process."
- Dr. Trudie Kibbe Reed, President

http://www.cookman.edu/president/Default.html

I'll bet you do. :rolleyes:

CaliPhiSig03 01-06-2005 05:28 PM

Reed, a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, and Taylor-Green both dismissed speculation by students, faculty and alumni the statue's removal had anything to do with a rivalry between the two sororities.

LOL did anyone else find this amusing? :D

IowaStatePhiPsi 01-06-2005 06:05 PM

Re: "And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love..."
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LightBulb
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the statue David depict the Biblical David (as in King David... killed Goliath...)? If so, then the statue would be a Christian symbol. ;)
It is of the Biblical David, but I always assumed the model for David was Michelangelo's lover. That or a male prostitute.

FSUZeta 01-06-2005 08:50 PM

re:david statue
 
but he is ""NAKED""!!!and if you look upon it, you will be blinded!

AKA_Monet 01-06-2005 11:40 PM

Given that my family's history is ingrained at this college, I believe the statue was there for a specific membership intake ceremony that is no longer performed by candidates and is now considered hazing.

Therefore, the statue may be removed, however, something will replace it immediately. And that, I can probably guarentee.

As far as my familial history: My grandfather was the president of Bethune Cookman College from 1948-1975...

tunatartare 01-07-2005 12:05 AM

Am I the only one who finds that 31 years ago a statue of a woman showing her breast in a Christian college should have been a bigger deal than it would be now? Seeing as the statue was on campus for so long, I think there should have been some kind of compromise: like for instance have it moved to a different corner of the campus so it's not the first thing that people see when they enter campus. I applaud the women of Alpha Kappa Alpha for being so classy about this. I don't know if I'd have been that quiet under those same circumstances.

LightBulb 01-07-2005 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by AKA_Monet
Therefore, the statue may be removed, however, something will replace it immediately. And that, I can probably guarentee.

They replaced it with a birdbath! *scrunches up nose*

PS - FSUZeta you're funny! :D

MysticCat 01-07-2005 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by AKA_Monet
Given that my family's history is ingrained at this college, I believe the statue was there for a specific membership intake ceremony that is no longer performed by candidates and is now considered hazing.
Thanks for the inside info, AKA_Monet. I wondered what Taylor-Green meant by "At one time, it was a symbol, but it is no longer, and has not been for several years."

AKA_Monet 01-07-2005 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LightBulb
They replaced it with a birdbath! *scrunches up nose*

PS - FSUZeta you're funny! :D

Believe me, both the graduate and undergraduate chapters of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. in Daytona Beach will have a new structure in its place...

Several of my relatives still sit on Bethune Cookman College's board of trustees... All of my aunts are members of my Sorority, as is my grandmother... When I say something will be done, I am not even close to joking...

Especially since my grandfather is buried on the campus with an extremely nice headstone...

Tom Earp 01-08-2005 12:46 AM

Sory, I have been trying to post for the longest, but PC Friggen Problems!:mad:

Now, is the Statue in question seeming pornograpic or against Christian Ideals?

If this is the case of pornographic proportions, they, I guess Then these Acedamian Twits should consider The Total Country of Greece Pornographic:rolleyes:

Is LUDRICOUS to strong a word?

Oooh, I see a Boob that has been on Campus for low these many 31 years. Damn, I will Idolize that concrete boob of a semi-"nekkid" statue!

What the heck is going on with the Humans on this planet!:confused:

The B Girl 01-08-2005 10:53 PM

Why not put something in place of the statue that honors all sororities and fraternities at BCC?

mccoyred 01-09-2005 11:40 PM

I find the notion of removing a statue of a Greek goddess from a Christian campus because it is considered a pagan symbol utterly ridiculous. I also find the opposition to baring of a breast on a statue due to Christian ideals ridiculous.

However, I also fail to find the relevance of the statue as described to AKA or Bethune-Cookman College. If the Greek statue was Minerva in relationship to Delta, I could see the relevance (Minerva is symbolic to Delta, Mary McCleod Bethune was a Delta). To my knowledge, AKA does not have a symbol as described above.

I will defer to AKA_Monet that the statue did/does have symbolic value to the AKA chapter on the campus. I think that it is interesting that the statue was removed without much comment. I am interested to see what will take its place.

sweete81 01-09-2005 11:56 PM

pic
 
Are there any pics of this statue? Was the statue large or small? Is it similar to the Venus De Milo? How does the students or other faculty at BCC fell about this, or alumni AKA's inducted at that chapter feel? Hmm, I wonder.... Was it really that crude that it needed to be torn down?

AKA2D '91 01-10-2005 10:53 AM

I'm sure the goddess wore more clothing than some of the young ladies on the campus. :o :rolleyes: ;) :D

IowaStatePhiPsi 01-10-2005 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by AKA2D '91
I'm sure the goddess wore more clothing than some of the young ladies on the campus. :o :rolleyes: ;) :D
too true.

AKA_Monet 01-10-2005 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mccoyred
I find the notion of removing a statue of a Greek goddess from a Christian campus because it is considered a pagan symbol utterly ridiculous. I also find the opposition to baring of a breast on a statue due to Christian ideals ridiculous.

However, I also fail to find the relevance of the statue as described to AKA or Bethune-Cookman College. If the Greek statue was Minerva in relationship to Delta, I could see the relevance (Minerva is symbolic to Delta, Mary McCleod Bethune was a Delta). To my knowledge, AKA does not have a symbol as described above.

I will defer to AKA_Monet that the statue did/does have symbolic value to the AKA chapter on the campus. I think that it is interesting that the statue was removed without much comment. I am interested to see what will take its place.

I called my Soror Grandmother who lives across the street from BCC. She said many of the young African American students are so waaaaaaayyyyyy other there in their behavior and clothing that it is too negative of an environment. (Think thugs, pimps and ho's--of course my G-ma is 90 years old, too). That the President of BCC thought that another symbol displaying "positive African American organizations" on a HBCU campus needed revamping. That the homes most of these kids come from cannot differentiate between arts and culture and the violent homes that they have endured. So she is asking all the "positive African American" organizations to step it up a notch and remove archaic images... That is what I gathered from my G-ma... And that's her point of view...


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