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_Lisa_ 12-22-2004 08:36 PM

Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
 
Great...now the entire nation thinks even worse of Kentucky...


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LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress styled as a large Confederate battle flag.

The lawsuit filed Monday in U.S. District Court claims the Greenup County district and administrators violated Jacqueline Duty's First Amendment right to free speech and her right to celebrate her heritage at predominantly white Russell High School's prom May 1. She also is suing for defamation, false imprisonment and assault.

"Her only dance for her senior prom was on the sidewalk to a song playing on the radio," said her lawyer, Earl-Ray Neal.

Duty, 19, is seeking actual and punitive damages in excess of $50,000.

She said she worked on the design for the dress for four years, though she acknowledged that some might find the Confederate flag offensive.

"Everyone has their own opinion. But that's not mine," she told reporters outside the courthouse. "I'm proud of where I came from and my background."

Duty, now a college student, said school officials told her before the prom not to wear the dress, but she didn't have another one and decided to see if administrators would change their minds.

According to her lawsuit, she was met outside by two police officers and principal Sean Howard. She said the principal intimidated her by striking the vehicle she was in.

School offices were closed Wednesday. Superintendent Ronnie Back did not immediately respond to a call to his home seeking comment.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans has promised to help pay some of her legal expenses.

hoosier 12-22-2004 10:59 PM

Never
 
I would never hire a lawyer named Earl-Ray

or Jim-Bob

or Bubba

_Lisa_ 12-22-2004 11:02 PM

I live in Lexington, KY & although this girl is from some random bum-fuck county somewhere near here I've never met anyone with so little tact that they would wear a confederate flag anything anywhere.

moe.ron 12-23-2004 02:25 AM

FAshion wise, it is a disaster. Somebody need to call the fashion police and lock her up.

Optimist Prime 12-23-2004 02:43 AM

Wait a minute.....was Kentucky part of the confederacy? I'm guessing yes, but I don't really care.

carol9a 12-23-2004 02:57 AM

why would she be suing for defamation? :confused:

ThetaPrincess24 12-23-2004 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Optimist Prime
Wait a minute.....was Kentucky part of the confederacy? I'm guessing yes, but I don't really care.


Half of it was and half of it wasnt. I've always been told the eastern half was union and the western half was confederate.

ThetaPrincess24 12-23-2004 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by crzychx
I live in Lexington, KY & although this girl is from some random bum-fuck county somewhere near here I've never met anyone with so little tact that they would wear a confederate flag anything anywhere.


This was my high school.............Russell High school is actually full of kids from more well to do families (doctors, lawyers, big execs...). It's in Greenup County which i must agree is a bum-fuck county with a bunch of morons, but Russell High school is independent of Greenup county schools..........


I see nothign wrong with this girl's dress. The flag is part of history. I personally dont see anything racist about it. I'm not shocked this happened or no comment has been made from the school or superintendent because this is typical of the assinine shananigans that school system and high school does........oh the stories I could tell...........

adpiucf 12-23-2004 11:10 AM

"school officials told her before the prom not to wear the dress"

So she decided to wear it anyway, knowing full and well they had told her she would not be allowed to wear it and be admitted to the prom.

ETA: School officials have the right to set and enforce a dress code.

Also ETA: That was one fugly dress. Joan Rivers would be spinning in her grave. If Joan Rivers was dead.

33girl 12-23-2004 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
FAshion wise, it is a disaster. Somebody need to call the fashion police and lock her up.
I agree. I'm more offended by the fashion faux pas-ness of it than by the Confederate flag issue.

moe.ron 12-23-2004 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
I agree. I'm more offended by the fashion faux pas-ness of it than by the Confederate flag issue.
Seriously, I can't see anything good comming out of the Confederate flag when it come to fashion.

_Lisa_ 12-23-2004 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
Seriously, I can't see anything good comming out of the Confederate flag when it come to fashion.
Exactly!

Phasad1913 12-23-2004 01:10 PM

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I personally dont see anything racist about it
Wow. That is interesting. Hell yeah its a part of history, and the part of history its about IS American racism.

Peaches-n-Cream 12-23-2004 01:48 PM

That is one fugly dress. I wish they had a picture of her wearing it so she could be on that website with the other ugly prom dresses so people can mock her all over the internet. :p

KSig RC 12-23-2004 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Phasad1913
Wow. That is interesting. Hell yeah its a part of history, and the part of history its about IS American racism.


I'll argue that the 'stars and bars' has more to do with modern racism than historical (civil war era) racism . . .

IowaStatePhiPsi 12-23-2004 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by adpiucf
"school officials told her before the prom not to wear the dress"

So she decided to wear it anyway, knowing full and well they had told her she would not be allowed to wear it and be admitted to the prom.

ETA: School officials have the right to set and enforce a dress code.

Just because school officials have certain powers, doesnt mean they are always right in enforcing them.

Case in point: the half dozen or so kids at some school in Missouri that got out of school suspensions for wearing shirts supporting one of their friends who got in trouble for wearing a Tshirt for a GSA. URL

I'd back the tasteless daddy's girl on this one.

Coramoor 12-23-2004 03:43 PM

Where are all the people that cry about freedoms and liberties being violated now?

Oh, wait-it's only if the freedoms and liberties they agree with that they get pissed off over if they are violated.

honeychile 12-23-2004 04:01 PM

For those who also had trouble seeing the dress with the article:

http://www.dixieoutfitters.com/herit...promdress2.jpg

While this is certainly not my style, and if she was told not to wear the dress, she should not have worn it, let me ask one question: if this woman had worn a hoopskirt which looked like something out of Gone With The Wind, would there have been as much controversy? Why or why not?

Phasad1913 12-23-2004 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by KSig RC
I'll argue that the 'stars and bars' has more to do with modern racism than historical (civil war era) racism . . .
racism is racism. the confederate flag, the confederacy and everything pertaining to had to do with race then and it has to do with it now.

enlightenment06 12-23-2004 04:08 PM

Wow, that's actually a nice dress. Although I personally believe the Conferederate Flag is a racist symbol, I think she should have been allowed to wear it. Freedom of speech and that good stuff.

Rudey 12-23-2004 04:10 PM

Since I don't know I thought I would ask:

What is so endearing about this flag that even after its modern association with racism, that people want to remember the other things it is associated with?

I don't know enough so I thought maybe someone would know.

-Rudey

preciousjeni 12-23-2004 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by honeychile
For those who also had trouble seeing the dress with the article:

http://www.dixieoutfitters.com/herit...promdress2.jpg

While this is certainly not my style, and if she was told not to wear the dress, she should not have worn it, let me ask one question: if this woman had worn a hoopskirt which looked like something out of Gone With The Wind, would there have been as much controversy? Why or why not?

The hoopskirt wasn't directly associated with racism. People had been wearing hoops since the 1700s! It was fashion. The flag, on the other hand, was and still is an emblem of people wishing to maintain a culture of racism (Old South) among other nasty things.

My brother is a reenactor - War Between the States - so I have to see him running around with Rebel flags. It's not so fun for me, but I don't ever try to stop him. Just like I wouldn't stop this girl for her dress. It's her right.

HOWEVER, the school administration had already told her not to wear it and she did anyway. Now, if her wearing or not wearing the dress had been a matter of her graduating, I would have been furious. But, it's JUST A DANCE! Anyway, I thought kids weren't allowed to wear inflammatory material to school?? Isn't that standard or am I just crazy?

I mean, it's someone's right to wear a white hood and robe but NOT TO SCHOOL!

And, I agree with enlightenment06 - the dress is actually kinda cute!

ETA: Do you REALLY think she was wearing it because she liked it OR perhaps because she was making a statement??

Munchkin03 12-23-2004 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by carol9a
why would she be suing for defamation? :confused:
Because "defamation" was the biggest word she knew.

IowaStatePhiPsi 12-23-2004 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by Coramoor
Where are all the people that cry about freedoms and liberties being violated now?

Oh, wait-it's only if the freedoms and liberties they agree with that they get pissed off over if they are violated.

You're kind of retarded to post that right below my post. :rolleyes:

Rudey 12-23-2004 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by Phasad1913
racism is racism. the confederate flag, the confederacy and everything pertaining to had to do with race then and it has to do with it now.
How'd your date go?

-Rudey

IowaStatePhiPsi 12-23-2004 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
Anyway, I thought kids weren't allowed to wear inflammatory material to school?? Isn't that standard or am I just crazy?
Well, since you seem to be favoring censorship, I'll assume you're crazy.

Also: Tinker vs. Des Moines.

School administration retards violated her right to wear her dress.
Fire the bastards, give her money, case closed.

PM_Mama00 12-23-2004 04:51 PM

I ain't gona lie, I suck at history and I don't know much about the confederate flag. But.... the school told her not to wear it because it was offensive to some, so she definitely broke a rule. It's the same with wearing gang related clothing to school, short tiny skirts, skimpy shirts, etc. It's offensive.

I do believe in freedom of speech, but I think there's a time and a place for it.

Honeykiss1974 12-23-2004 04:52 PM

School administration has the right to dictate their student's fashion - which they do via the school's dress code. If they told her not to wear it and she did, then she broke the rules, plain and simple.

Its no different that if a female student wore a string bikini to school (calm down guys :) ), and it violated the school's dress code. She should be sent home or punished.

Same thing applies here.

ETA:

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Originally posted by preciousjeni

ETA: Do you REALLY think she was wearing it because she liked it OR perhaps because she was making a statement??

I was thinking about this myself after I posted. I would probably not even think twice about it, if she had just "out of the blue" showed up at the prom wearing it. But the fact that she asked the school's administration WAY beforehand tells me that she knew that something may not have been right about wearing it - and after hearing their response of "no, don't wear it' , she decides to wear it anyway? Very interesting....

IowaStatePhiPsi 12-23-2004 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
I ain't gona lie, I suck at history and I don't know much about the confederate flag. But.... the school told her not to wear it because it was offensive to some, so she definitely broke a rule. It's the same with wearing gang related clothing to school, short tiny skirts, skimpy shirts, etc. It's offensive.

I do believe in freedom of speech, but I think there's a time and a place for it.

Dear Miss Censorship Bitch:

Does this mean I can't wear a gay pride shirt to school because it might upset some conservative christian fuckmunch?

Rudey 12-23-2004 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Its no different that if a female student wore a string bikini to school (calm down guys :) ), and it violates the school's dress code, then she should be sent home or punshied.
She should be sent to my place. I will take care of the punishments.

-Rudey

Phasad1913 12-23-2004 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Since I don't know I thought I would ask:

What is so endearing about this flag that even after its modern association with racism, that people want to remember the other things it is associated with?

I don't know enough so I thought maybe someone would know.

-Rudey

You know, aside from the issue of racism which, as a black american, is very significant to me, there is also the fact that the confederacy sought to secede from the Union and demolish the nation that so many people fought to create through the Revolutionary War. I think it is very disrespectful to try to cover up both the horrific legacy of human bondage AND the attempt to break up the Union with this shroud of "honoring their heritage". I understand that people have ancestors who died in the civil war, but think about what they died for. There is no dignity or honor in the fact tha these people died trying to hang on to some shred of a systematic regime of white supremacy. It's actually rediculous and it should have never had to come to a war.

People tell black people everyday that they need to just "get over the past". Well those confederate loving people are the ones who need to get over the past. What's really ironic is that these people that fly that flag, particularly in the south, do so honoring the most historic form of domestic treason while claiming to be so damned patriotic!

ThetaPrincess24 12-23-2004 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Phasad1913
Wow. That is interesting. Hell yeah its a part of history, and the part of history its about IS American racism.

Not all southerners are racists, nor is everyone a racist that flies, wears, or owns a confederate flag or design.......To say that everyone that has one or wears one or whatever is a racist is ignorant, and I'm not commenting further about this issue.

Phasad1913 12-23-2004 08:49 PM

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To say that everyone that has one or wears one or whatever is a racist is ignorant,
Who said that? I sure didn't. It wouldn't make sense for me to say such a thing anyway since I was born in the south, my entire family is from the south and plenty of the people I know are from the south and none of them are racists. If you RE-READ my post, I referred to what that flag symbolizes. So, I guess that actually makes YOU ignorant since you failed to gather adequate information before you shooting your mouth (fingers) off.

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I'm not commenting further about this issue.
Cool, it'd probably be best if you didn't. ;)

PM_Mama00 12-23-2004 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Dear Miss Censorship Bitch:

Does this mean I can't wear a gay pride shirt to school because it might upset some conservative christian fuckmunch?


Why am I a bitch? I believe in gay rights. I don't think a gay rights shirt is the same as what I said. Some people are offended by black people or Puerto Ricans or Mexicans or the mafia, but I believe they have every right to wear a shirt depicting those things, as long as there isn't anything that would offend the general public (rude sayings, stuff like that).

Optimist Prime 12-23-2004 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by ThetaPrincess24
Half of it was and half of it wasnt. I've always been told the eastern half was union and the western half was confederate.
Oh yeah that's right. Same with VA but we didn't take our part back, because I guess we had prinicepled people in the Assembly back then. Not anymore though.

IowaStatePhiPsi 12-24-2004 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
Why am I a bitch? I believe in gay rights. I don't think a gay rights shirt is the same as what I said. Some people are offended by black people or Puerto Ricans or Mexicans or the mafia, but I believe they have every right to wear a shirt depicting those things, as long as there isn't anything that would offend the general public (rude sayings, stuff like that).
me wearing a gay pride shirt and that fat chick wearing a confederate flag are 2 sides of the same coin. By saying she shouldnt wear it, you're trying to deface one side of the coin.

Kevlar281 12-24-2004 12:17 AM

She should have made a Bonnie Blue dress.

Coramoor 12-24-2004 02:33 AM

Do we have any history majors here...?

There were a lot of issues involved in the Civil War/Confederates. Hell, it goes all the way back to before the Constitution was written. The main reason for that the South left was because they were very anti-federalist. They wanted greater state powers, while the northerners wanted a stronger centeral gov't. Hell, 'a' civil war was averted many times before 1860. There was a lot of tension there for over 40 yrs. Slavery was involved in it-but don't think that those in the north really cared about slaves. The immigrants that passed through New York Cities harbor were treated just as bad.

That is vast simplifying the entire issue-but the key issue was their views on gov't. That is what sparked the Civil War. The Confederate Flag represents southern culture and history, not slavery or racisim.

PM_Mama00 12-24-2004 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
me wearing a gay pride shirt and that fat chick wearing a confederate flag are 2 sides of the same coin. By saying she shouldnt wear it, you're trying to deface one side of the coin.
For one, do not call me a bitch. Do not call that girl fat. Cuz then I'll be forced to call u a fag, which is a word that I hate and never use considering the fact that I have a few gay friends and my favorite cousin is gay. So can you please watch your terminology? Because you're just making yourself look like a dumbass. Why would you use derogatory terms when you're trying to argue a point?

moe.ron 12-24-2004 02:48 AM

Iowa, lay of the personal attack.


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