Buy It or Burn It
 

I recently bought a burnt copy of Alicia Keys for $5 from "Hustle Man". I was telling one of my friends about the cd and I just so happen to mention who I bought it from. Well, he must of had a fit. He went off on a rampage about people not going to the store to buy their music, instead they buy a burnt copy like I did or burn one themselves.

I understand that burning cd's or getting music off of napsters takes away from the profits of our favorite artist but I really don't care. I was wondering how you all obtained your cd collections. Do you typically purchase your cd's from a retail store our do you burn your own copies? How do you feel about the effects that it might have on the artists?

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As an aspiring artist I understand the plight of people illegaly obtaining your product and taking away from your profits. But let me just say this..recently my ENTIRE CD collection was stolen from my car...needless to say ONE CD costs at a an average 15 bucks. ...so I will be burn hella CDs, but the classics I will buy over just because they are worth it. But normally I dont buy burnt CDs unless they are mixes.

Peace and Love

Well, I have a burner myself so I've been burning CDs for sometime. I also all up on the new-Napsters, and I buy "mix" CDs all the time.

To me, the artist is getting burned by the record company anyways so its really not like if everyone bought the CD all of a sudden their cut would jump tenfold.

I think the artists are being used as puppets in the whole napster controversy because its TOURING that actually puts money in the pockets of the artist. The record company gets all the money from the album sales.

With this new technology it becomes harder for the companies to sell us a wack artist or a wack CD. Before, they could carbon-copy any act and people would buy the CD, only to find out that there are only 3 good songs on the album. With this, you can decide whether or not an artist is worth supporting. I feel that this issue is being left out of the debate. The consumer that is tired of being duped into buying subpar releases has finally found a way "to stick it to the man."

That being said, I always support the artists that are really worth my money.

Lastly, lets not forget that NSync crushes records everytime they release an album, so its obvious that an artist can still stay afloat in the age of file-sharing.

I can relate totally to this topic. I am a frequent buyer of bootleg movies and CDs. I do not have much money and this is more economical for me. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Needless to say, I have to hear my family and friend's mouths about this all of the time. But, I also have another reason for buying bootleg. The man that I buy them from used to sell drugs before he started selling movies and tapes. I figure, every tape that I buy from him keeps him from selling crack to a pregnant woman and harming a child's life before it is even born.

My family thinks that this reasoning is illogical. I'd rather have him selling tapes and movies than drugs any day. It's the lesser of two evils.

And, a lot of his movies are good quality. The camera is steady and there's nobody talking or moving in front of the screen.

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i "burn" mix cd's. i like to compile some of my favorite rap, old school, new school, slow jams, and what not, so that i have a cd of one certain mood, groove and vibe.

however, i do purchase cd's. i believe in supporting the artist that i am a fan of. that is their livlihood. i would hate to be on my job, working my a$$ off, let someone else deliver my work to the boss, and i not reap. i understand the artist's frustrations. I'D WANT MY MONEY TOO!!

To answer the question, my collection is a misture. Most of the songs I have downloaded are harder to find but I have not and will not download & burn an entire artisit's CD. I prefer to buy them from the store.

This topic was brought up on an e-mail list. I hear what you're saying that the artists are not exactly poor, but a Soror (who happens to work fro a record label) brought up a view that I hadn't thought about. Yes, we all know that the artists are going to be paid regardless, but what about the regular folks (like her) that work for the record company? Their salary is paid by record sales. If the label doesn't make money, salaries & jobs get cut to make up for the difference.

My philosophy on the whole CD thing...why should I pay $16 to somebody who's already a millionaire...nuff said!!

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i don't like the $16 thing either but the truth is that a new artist like alicia keys is not a millionaire yet and burning her cd as opposed to buying it might hurt her so I might buy her cd.

I see what you mean. My intention were to buy her cd but Target didn't have it when I went and "Hustle Man" did. Oh well what's done is done. I'm pretty sure she'll do well for herself. She's extremely talented.

Did y'all miss the part where I mentioned touring?

The artists don't make beans off an album. The real money they make is from touring. So if you go to the concert, you are putting more money in the artist's pocket than buying an over-priced, over-hyped CD ever will.

Hmmmm...I wouldn't burn an artist's whole CD, but I would burn some songs to make a mixed CD. If I like the artist enough to buy his/her CD, I'll support him/her by buying it from the store. Yeah, most of these artists are millionaires, but they've probably worked hard to get to that point, so I'm not going to be cheap and cheat them out of what they've worked hard to get. I would, however, burn the h#@! out of some software CDs (unless of course the prices came down out of the 100s of dollars range). http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

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I burn each and every cd that comes out. The whole cd and compilations. Why on earth would I pay for it when I can get free.If someone can make it make sense to me why then crap I will go buy them. Especially since they sound the same in my cd player as one that I would have paid for. Cds are around 20 bucks, that 10 bucks shy from a hair do, or a full tank of gas. I am addicted to burning them as long as I can burn them, I will never buy one. As soon as I figure out how to burn dvd movies I will be on that kick to.......and i'm out!

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Ashcroft Asked to Target Online Song Swappers
Fri Aug 9, 8:27 PM ET
By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers have asked Attorney General John Ashcroft ( news - web sites) to go after Internet users who download unauthorized songs and other copyrighted material, raising the possibility of jail time for digital-music fans.

In a July 25 letter released late Thursday, some 19 lawmakers from both sides of the aisle asked Ashcroft to prosecute "peer-to-peer" networks like Kazaa and Morpheus and the users who swap digital songs, video clips and other files without permission from artists or their record labels.

The Justice Department ( news - web sites) should also devote more resources to policing online copyrights, the lawmakers said in their letter.

"Such an effort is increasingly important as online theft of our nation's creative works is a growing threat to our culture and economy," the letter said.

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.

The recording industry says peer-to-peer services cut into CD sales, and has been battling them in court since 1999, when the five major labels sued pioneer service Napster ( news - web sites) Inc.

A U.S. federal judge ordered Napster to shut down its service in July 2001, but upstarts like Kazaa and Morpheus soon took its place. Kazaa, which in addition to music allows users to swap movies and other media files, said this week that its free software had been downloaded 100 million times.

Music labels have not ruled out suing individual users, and have pushed for the right to flood peer-to-peer networks with bogus files, or disrupt them by other means.

While a debate has raged on Capitol Hill over the proper balance between copyright and technological innovation, U.S. law-enforcement authorities have taken a minimal role.

The Justice Department filed a supporting motion siding with the record labels in the Napster case, but has brought no cases of its own.

The move was welcomed by the Recording Industry Association of America ( news - web sites), which represents the five major labels --Bertelsmann AG ( news - web sites), Vivendi Universal, Sony Corp ( news - web sites) ., AOL Time Warner Inc . and EMI Group Plc ( news - web sites) .

"There is no doubt, mass copying off the Internet is illegal and deserves to be a high priority for the Department of Justice ( news - web sites)," said RIAA Chairman Hilary Rosen in a statement.

An analyst for a digital civil-liberties group said the Justice Department probably had better things to do with its time.

The letter "implies that Justice should be going after relatively innocent behaviors that I suspect most Americans don't think warrant the time," said Alan Davidson, an associate director at the Center for Democracy and Technology.

On the other hand, "we would much rather see current authorities be used before Congress goes and creates brand new laws," Davidson said.

A staffer for Texas Republican Rep. Lamar Smith, who signed the letter, said that lawmakers did not want FBI ( news - web sites) agents to arrest casual users but instead go after operators of network "nodes" that handle much of the traffic.

Among those signing the letter were: Delaware Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden; Wisconsin Republican Rep. James Sensenbrenner; Virginia Democratic Rep. Bobby Scott; Michigan Democratic Rep. John Conyers; North Carolina Republican Rep. Howard Coble; and California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...copyright_dc_1

Terrorists are plotting against us, child molesters and serial killers are running free, unemployment is up, BUT the government wants to spend good money and time to go after folks for burning cd's. Oooooookay.

This is what happens when the lobbyists run our governments.

We want better schools... DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S A WAR GOING ON!!?!?

We want to end police brutality and DWB... DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S A WAR GOING ON!!?!?

We want to ensure the security of our children playing in their own backyards.. DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S A WAR GOING ON!!?!?

We want to download a CD that's proably not worth a dime anyways.. Uh, yeah we have time to get you for that.

Make better music not dumber laws.

What I don't understand is that if burning CD's are so bad, why are they installed in all new computers nowadays? If they were bad why continue to make them for consumers to buy???

However I will support the people I personally met and people who are really good, like Amerie and Nsync.

Kay

I see nothing wrong with burning cd's like alot of you I've spend hundreds of dollars maybe more over the years on cd's some I've losted some I've just played out. I'll be dammed if I'm going to go buy every cd over again that's missing in my collection, as well as in my husband's collection. Now I know the artist don't get a cut from this but:rolleyes: :rolleyes: the way they flogg in these videos (e.g. cash $$ millionaires, Jarule, Sean Puffy, J. Lo. etc)and even those who don't flogg like (Celine Dion, Whitney Houston) and etc......they in my opinion don't seem to be hurting at all. All I ever hear about is these million dollar deals that they are striking left and right; whether it's from clothes, restaurant openings, movies, or etc. Then they want to cry like Micheal Jackson that they are being taken an advantage of. No No No:mad: :mad: Micheal spends $$$ like a fool with a extremely lavish lifestyle. Getting something done to his body and face every minute on the hour. These artist aren't losing that much money because they get it back with the other ideas that they pursue. So to sum this up......................"KAZAA, NAPSTER, OR ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO OPEN A CD BURNING WEBSITE.......ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
p.s. does anyone know of a good website that I can purchase a cd burner:D :D :D :cool: pm me

DIDO
 

My sentiments exactly. I really don't understand where the government's priorities are.

No burning/No bootleg
 

I do not burn CD's, nor do I buy bootleg merchandise. Call me what you want, but I would rather buy the CD's/merchandise legitimately.

I don't have the patience to burn CD's. To me it is much easier to run into the store and buy it. However, the Cd must be hella good if I am buying it. I have a collection of over 500 CD's that I started almost 10 years ago. I think my classic RB is the best. I am an old school/love song junkie. They don't make them like they used to. :D

Purchaisng bootleg merchandise, totally unacceptable! I went to the Indiana Black Expo a few weeks ago and was so disgusted by the amount of bootleg merchandise.

I am not a music downloader because most of what I listen to isn't listened to by the masses. I listen to straightahead jazz, mainly reissues of 1950s and 1960s albums. :D :p

But I do agree that the gubmint is wasting resources on prosecuting people for burning CDs, when real crimes are taking place, such as all these babypeople being snatched, folks being murdered and all that.

I personally find no problem with burning CD's if it's at your advantage. I am personally in a line of work that requires me to keep up with the latest web design software, so I am not going to purchase software in the thousands of dollars if it does not benefit me economically.

At the end of the day, whether or not a CD is purchased or is burned, it all sounds the same, it all works the same. Big business, corporations, record labels are in it for the big bucks. It just goes to show you that they don't give a rat's behind about the consumer, it's more about their bottom line. Now if Napster, KaZaa, Morpheus or any of the other file sharing programs benefitted financially from people downloading the software and burning music, then I would have a problem with it.

I'm proud to say that every piece of software on my computer was downloaded from the internet. My backup copy of Windows on my computer was burned on CD. I think it's high time that some of the corporate big bucks be put back into our pockets so that we can consider our bottom line.

Common sense dictates that I can purchase 100 blank CD's from Office Depot for $30.. That's roughtly $0.33 per CD. If Microsoft sells Windows 2000/XP in the hundreds of dollars... What's more economically feasible for me... $0.33 or $300-400. Hell it's simple..

Peace..

[QUOTE]Originally posted by knowledge1

At the end of the day, whether or not a CD is purchased or is burned, it all sounds the same, it all works the same. Big business, corporations, record labels are in it for the big bucks. It just goes to show you that they don't give a rat's behind about the consumer, it's more about their bottom line. Now if Napster, KaZaa, Morpheus or any of the other file sharing programs benefitted financially from people downloading the software and burning music, then I would have a problem with it.


Show you right and another thing is....you've saved anywhere from $12.00 to $17.00; now that money would be going to my bills, savings, and cutie expenses.
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I totally agree with you!!! There are so many other issues to worry about in our country, other than burning CD's.

Yes, I burn CD's, and will continue to do it. Like someone else said, why should I pay for them, when I can get them for free over the internet. Am I concerned that I am taking $15 out of an artists pocket? NO! They are going to get their money. They get paid in so many ways, CD's are only a small portion of the money they receive. Anyway, the real crime is when you sell burned CD's, not necessarily making a copy for yourself (even though that is currently being argued).

For me it depends on the artist, someone like alicia keys...that cd is not worth $10, let alone $15. To me that is a $5 cd(from someone on the street). But for an artist that I truly like, I will need the orginal cd.

Re: No burning/No bootleg
 

It may be easier, but it sure is a lot more expensive (in the long run) :eek: ;)

Many, I haven't heard that phrase in a LOOOOOOOOONNG time. You just took me back to elementary school. :D :D :cool:

At first I didn't think it was anything wrong with downloading music for free, but now I kinda see the artist's point. Because, I haven't bought a cd since I discovered napster and the rest. The artists really are loosing money.

Believe me if they invest their money correctly and do what they're suppose to do (e.g. not being greedy, flogging, and spending foolishly like MIKE) they're be ok.

Mommy - They're Suing Me!



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(1010 WINS) (NEW YORK) A 12-year-old Manhattan girl is one of 261 people sued for copying music off the Internet via the Kazaa music swapping service.

The Recording Industry Association of America launched the next stage of its aggressive anti-piracy campaign Monday, filing 261 federal lawsuits across the country.

One of the named defendants in the case was Brianna LaHara, who goes to Saint Gregory the Great Catholic School on West 90th Street and lives with her mother Sylvia Torres.

Her mother says her daughter paid $29.99 for the downloading service three months ago. Torres says if you're paying for it, you're not stealing it.''

About 60 people in New York are said to have downloaded more than one thousand songs from the service. Each individual sued could be liable for fines of up to $150,000 for each stolen song.

I don't download music, but....
 

The RIAA can kiss my $%##!!!!! Downloading songs are not stealing money from the artist........ITS YOU AND YOUR GREEDY BOOTLEG CONTRACTS THAT STEAL MONEY FROM ARTIST!!!! Then, to top it off, you want to sue the very people who stopped spending their money on your jank CDs in order for you to keep 90% of your artist profits! :mad: What the fudge eva!
I swear as consumers we shouldn't buy one more CDs from ANY member of the RIAA until they get together! :mad:

At least Universal is lowering the price of their CDs, in hopes to bring folks back to buying them. Folks don't think spending $18.99 and up is worth the price of one or two songs. But they may spend 8.99 to 12.99.

Girl, 12, Settles Piracy Suit for $2,000
Tue Sep 9, 7:20 PM ET Add Entertainment - AP to My Yahoo!


By TED BRIDIS, AP Technology Writer

WASHINGTON - A 12-year-old girl in New York who was among the first to be sued by the record industry for sharing music over the Internet is off the hook after her mother agreed Tuesday to pay $2,000 to settle the lawsuit, apologizing and admitting that her daughter's actions violated U.S. copyright laws.



The hurried settlement involving Brianna LaHara, an honors student, was the first announced one day after the Recording Industry Association of America (news - web sites) filed 261 such lawsuits across the country. Lawyers for the RIAA said Brianna's mother, Sylvia Torres, contacted them early Tuesday to negotiate.


"We understand now that file-sharing the music was illegal," Torres said in a statement distributed by the recording industry. "You can be sure Brianna won't be doing it anymore."


Brianna added: "I am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the artists I love."


The case against Brianna was a potential minefield for the music industry from a public relations standpoint. The family lives in a city housing project on New York's Upper West Side, and they said they mistakenly believed they were entitled to download music over the Internet because they had paid $29.99 for software that gives them access to online file-sharing services.


Even in the hours before the settlement was announced, Brianna was emerging as an example of what critics said was overzealous enforcement by the powerful music industry.


The top lawyer for Verizon Communications Inc. charged earlier Tuesday during a Senate hearing that music lawyers had resorted to a "campaign against 12-year-old girls" rather than trying to help consumers turn to legal sources for songs online. Verizon's Internet subsidiary is engaged in a protracted legal fight against the RIAA over copyright subpoenas sent Verizon customers.


Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., also alluded to Brianna's case.


"Are you headed to junior high schools to round up the usual suspects?" Durbin asked RIAA President Cary Sherman during a Senate Judiciary hearing.


Durbin said he appreciated the piracy threat to the recording industry, but added, "I think you have a tough public relations campaign to go after the offenders without appearing heavy-handed in the process."


Sherman responded that most people don't shoplift because they fear they'll be arrested.


"We're trying to let people know they may get caught, therefore they should not engage in this behavior," Sherman said. "Yes, there are going to be some kids caught in this, but you'd be surprised at how many adults are engaged in this activity."

WTF????? They think that taking $2000 from a family that stays in the PROJECTS is more fair? These people are not hurting for anything...this whole thing makes me sick! I WISH A MOFO WOULD try to sue me...:mad:.

From what I hear, artist's don't make much money from CD sells. The company's do. I remember there was a special on TLC when Left Eye (R.I.P.) explain how the record sells work. Artist make most of their money off concerts and endorsements.

I am tired of buying CD's that cost $18.99 plus tax for a CD with two good songs. I am not going to buy another CD until RIAA stops suing little kids. That is crazy.

This is a public relations NIGHTMARE for them.

People who download are not going to stop until it becomes technologically impossible, and thanks to the nerds that is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. The RIAA has already lost this battle, they just need to accept it and learn to work with the new format.

Hell they should have done that 5 years ago. They are going to have to seriously modify their business model to survive because they didn't harness this technology when it was new.

GREEDY
 

The big exec realize that the little guy is making a profit off of burnt CDs. I'm in my 30s, I remember when one person bought a cassette tape, and all his or her friends when copy that tape. Now all of a suddent copying music is a serious problem.

It only became a problem when the big execs realize how much money they are not earning.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a website where you can check your user names against a subpoena listing.

http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/riaasubpoenas/

Do you have a subpoena?
 

Well as a parent who has a child who was in a couple of movies as well as photo shoots I would have NO to buying bootleg merchandise! These people work very hard to give us our entertainment, but more importantly we are focused on the artist. There are a lot of other people involved in the creative process that no one ever sees or hears about. These people are not millionaires. The guy/girl who holds the grips goes to work just like you and I do and they are hurt more than the artist when we as consumers purchase bootleg copies of CD's and DVD's.

Re: GREEDY
 

From what I understand people still do that with their Gospel CDs and cassettes. Personally, I'm not going to stop downloading as long as I can find somewhere to do it from.

For me, I only download things I owuld not buy or very old music that it is difficut to buy even if you want to. This whole thing assumes that I would buy it if I did not download it which is flat out false. With all the crap they put out, I almost never down load an entire album and if I stop getting them f the web, I just will not get them at all!

Also, this still does not stop people from buying one copy and making copies for all of thier friends.

Here is my take on the subject...

I buy CD's from those artists that I am a total fan of. For example I ALWAYS buy Mary J. Blidge and Monica. Other than that I burn CD's because 1. I don't like the artist enough to buy the entire cd, 2. I am a poor college student and I try and cut costs any where possible and 3. my university has CD burners in every computer lab so why not use them, I pay a technology fee so I need to get my money's worth!!!