What's up Ay Phi Que
 

I'm new to this site, looking for help on finding paraphernalia.

Respenting that

Bloody Pi Zeta Chapter @ Tuskegee University

Silent Killer SPR 04 Ace

7. A. A. B. G. G.

www.thegreekshop.com
www.greekgear.com
www.adgreek.com
www.collegecrib.com
www.joetoga.com


And I'ma let you in on a secret, for when you want to subtly represent: http://ww2.lafayette.edu/%7Ecolleges...chandise1.html

Re: What's up Ay Phi Que
 

Check out the APO Store at the National Office and the APO Collection at Fraternity Row in Rochester (http://members.aol.com/aphio/). This way some of the proceeds of what you buy will stay with the Fraternity.

I especially like the colors myself... ;)
Senusret I went to the College Crib link and I didn't see anything for me! Boo :( but the other sites are good.

What up ApoAce!! Showing you some sisterly love. Welcome to GC!!

Does anyone here have an APO greek jacket - if you do please let me know and if you have pics that would be even better!

I would just like some ideas of what other APO jackets look like b/c no one in this area has one - so I would like to set a good example ;)

Yeah I have a line jacket whick consists of my line number on the back, my line name, my entire line name. On the front the greek letters for Alpha Phi Omega. On the right sleeve I have the year that I crossed and on the left sleeve I have my chapter name and the year that we were founded. Also on the collar of my jacket I have 1925. That is about it other than the fact that my jacket is black and the letters are blue with a gold background.

Do you have any pictures that you could share?

Now I know with NPHC - you arent supposed to have a white jacket unless you are prophyte or you are legacy (or at least that is how it is down here) ...

So does the same go for the APO jacket - b/c he only color I want it in is white - I could prolly go for yellow, but I dont want anyone to mistake me for a lady of Sigma Gamma Rho.

You should ask your prophytes.

If they don't have an answer, then do what you want.

My only advice (to everyone) is to not put blue stiching on a black jacket. The blue should always be bordered with yellow. Otherwise, you won't be able to see the blue.

No one here has ever gotten a line jacket like the one I am trying to get - so if I asked they would all be like "I dunno"....So I thought I would ask those who already had them

I really like the color yellow - its looks good with my skin tone - so I will be going out to Durham next weekend to have the order finalized - Ill post pics when it comes in! ;)

Thanks for your help

There isn't anything wrong with you wearing a white jacket. I was thinking about doing white myself, but you know it gets dirty easily so my next step is to get a royal blue jacket. My LB's jacket is gold and it looks good to the T and I have another one who's jacket is black too. It all depends on what looks good on you.

I do apologize, but I do not have any pictures at this time of my jacket.

Ditto. If your chapter doesn't have any traditions that say otherwise, you should be safe doing whatever you feel looks best. There is no national standard in APO when it comes to crossing jacket protocol.

(I had never heard of the white jacket = prophyte/legacy tradition...I don't knock it, though)

Yeah...this is the first that I have heard of such a rediculous rule.

The rule might just be an NC - B/c I was saying to my friend when I cross a certain sorority that the first jacket I was going to get was going to be white and he was like "Well you cant do that until your a prophyte - or no wait your a legacy so you should be good..." So I have no clue - its the first time I had ever heard of it. But I have noticed around here that the only ones with white jackets are those who are legacy or prophytes....

But thanks for all of the input I appreciate it - I think I am going to go for the gold - literally - it looks good on me ;)

Then you can treat yourself to a white one when you do become a prophyte, and your neo can wear your gold one. :)

Um. For there to be a National Standard on Crossing Jacket Protocol, more than 3 or 4 members of the National Board (non-PNP) would have to have a clue what crossing jackets are. :D

Heck, the Fraternity doesn't even have a single National Policy on use of the Greek Letters for Petitioning Groups (or if they have, its been in the last year).

Randy

HA! So true.

letters and PG'ers
 

yes, Randy, as a matter of fact - legislation was passed in 1994 about letters and Petitioners, and is codified in the Board Policy Manual.

Is it still at Regional Director's discretion?

Randy

No. The M&E PD/Committee sets down the policy. Don't recall seeing anything said about RDs having a say in this in Policy Manual.

Ok, I know what a 'legacy' is, but what is a 'prophyte'?

A neophyte is someone new to an organization/group. A prophyte is someone who brings a neophyte into an organization/group.

Actually, in APO a neophyte is a pledge who has completed all the requirements and just needs to go thru the ceremony to become a new Brother.

Different Definitions
 

Unfortunately, in Alpha Phi Omega I have seen *several* different definitions of neophyte.

1) Those who have completed all of the requirements for initiation except for the vote of the brothers.
2) Those who have completed all of the requirements for initiation including the vote of the brothers, but have not yet initiated.
3) Those who have initiated and as brothers not yet had a pledge class initiate.


Randy

Re: Different Definitions
 

#1 & #2 are pretty close. I've always gone with #2. My reading of the National Pledging Standards, you don't see the term 'neophyte' until point #20 about neophyte initation into membership thru the initiation ceremony. The term is not used when speaking about the voting by Brothers, so to me #1 doesn't count.

#3 doesn't make sense to me. What is a "pledge class initiate"?

clarification on IG/PG rights
 

From the latest edition of the Board Policy Manual, Appendix E "Formation and Reactivation of Chapters"

INTEREST AND PETITIONING GROUP RIGHTS:

1. The use of Alpha Phi Omega recruiting literature, information, armbands and insignia as specified by the Membership and Extension Committee.
2. Identification as members of an Alpha Phi Omega Interest or Petitioning group.

The words “Alpha Phi Omega” or “AFW” may be used as long as the group identifies themselves as an Interest or Petitioning Group.

INTEREST AND PETITIONING GROUP RESTRICTIONS:

1. All publicity regarding Interest and Petitioning Group activities shall clearly identify the organization as an Interest or Petitioning Group.
2. Alpha Phi Omega jewelry, apparel or related items which indicate individual membership shall not be worn by Interest Group members. Petitioning Group members are encouraged to wear the official Petitioning Group pin, separately or with Alpha Phi Omega apparel, as an indication of their status within the Fraternity.

(Items excluded from the above restriction include those on which the Fraternity name or symbols are used in a primarily decorative manner, including program and event-specific apparel, insignia and related souvenir items.)

Re: Re: Different Definitions
 

Sorry, I missed the "s" at the end of that. I meant
A Pledge class initiated after them. So that a brother who initiated in December of 2004 would be a neophyte until the spring 2005 pledge class initiates in April 2005 and afterwards would be a prophyte. A neophyte is also considered a prophyte if a year has passed since initiation.

For an example of that in a glossary check out http://www.sru.edu/pages/9417.asp or http://members.fortunecity.com/greek...greekterms.htm


Randy

Re: Re: Re: Different Definitions
 

Ah.

Most chapters use the term "NIB" (newly inducted Brother) for that group.

Re: clarification on IG/PG rights
 

Thanx!

This would include things like letter jackets, right?

Would it make sense to add the following?
Symbols indicating chapter letters to be given to the IG/PG at (re)chartering are prohibited.

I know that there is a discouragement of PGs refering themselves as Iota Gamma Petitioning group, they should instead refer to themselves as Towson U. Petitioning Group even though they are reactivating Iota Gamma. This would add it to the clothing rules.

Randy

Re: Re: clarification on IG/PG rights
 

That is my reading. That stuff like letter shirts/jackets are restricted to those who are APO Brothers. Only members of IG/PG who are already APO Brothers can wear them.

I would also assume that APO-related t-shirts that would indicate strickly membership in APO are bared from IG/PG members. (ie 'generic' APO t-shirts) However, APO shirts such as conference t-shirts, APO event t-shirts or t-shirts that the IG/PG create that clearly indicated they are a IG/PG is ok.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Different Definitions
 

Yup. Even to the point of cutsey-ing it to "NIBbles". But I don't think either meaning of neophyte is in the dictionary and prophyte isn't in the dictionary at all.

Randy

no standard
 

In Region III, it is customary for a PG which is rechartering to refer to themselves as Blah Blah University PG, rather than Omega Alpha Alpha PG; however, that is not standard. I know that at least in Region IX, is it standard that a rechartering group calls themselves by their greek-letter designation.

Re: no standard
 

Really? I was under the impression that it was National Policy that PGs were to ONLY be refered to by their university, never by their future greek-letter designation. In fact, I thought there was something put forth at the last NatConv to clearify just that.

There was a resolution proposed, but it failed to pass. Therefore, there is still no standard.

I know when we were a PG/IG we could only wear "Alpha Phi Omega" written out when doing something as a group and we also had to have a button stating that we were a PG/IG group. Also, when refering to ourselves, we were the Howard University Petitioning/Interest/Prospect group of Alpha Phi Omega and not Zeta Phi. Have the rules changed, because I remember getting kicked out of a yahoogroup:mad: (still salty about that) arguing this issue?!?

News

The matter about what you can wear has not changed.

Apparently, the policy about how you would refer to yourselves (HU-PG vs. ZP-PG) is not policy, but prehaps is something that various from region to region. I know in my region, IG/PG are told they can not refer to themselves by their future greek-letter designation.

nothing has changed - except...
 

..that there is an official button saying "Petitioning Group" that can be ordered from the National Office. Sweetie81, those buttons didn't exist when you were a Petitioner. They came into existence after the New Orleans NatCon in 2002.

Being that I was a petitioner for Johnson C. Smith University, we too had to do the same thing. At our sectional conference we were given those pins that said "petitioning group", and we also could not say we were the Delta Phi chapter, but had to state that we were the JCSU petitioning group!

Hmm. I wonder how a T-shirt that said
"Once and Future Delta Phi Chapter" would have gone over during the Extension Process... (Worn with the PG button, of course). (Probably not well :( )

Wonder if it would be worth it to go back to the 2 inch Petitioning Pins? (Apparently by mistake the first time the National Office ordered Petitioning Pins, the came in *much* larger than expected.)

Randy