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moe.ron 12-02-2004 10:54 AM

Alabama Lawmaker Wants To Ban "Gay" Books
 
Link to the Article

sigmagrrl 12-02-2004 11:26 AM

I'm sorry, but what the HELL is wrong with this state???They are like America's Saudi Arabia....When will they start making women stop wearing pants and start wearing skirts to the ankle and BURQUAS??????JEEZ!

You can defend this ass backwards state all you want. But lately, they've gone plum NUTS!

Rudey 12-02-2004 12:09 PM

I bet there are lawmakers like this in every state. There is nothing different here. Calling them the Saudi Arabia of America makes no sense.

As for textbooks saying homosexuality is OK...what the heck kind of textbooks are these? We had textbooks on history, math, science, English, foreign languages, and even a health text book but where exactly does homosexuality is OK or heterosexuality is OK fit in anywhere?

-Rudey

Peaches-n-Cream 12-02-2004 01:14 PM

The link didn't work for me so I couldn't read the article.

ETA: Found it and read it.

Alabama State Representative Gerald Allen wants to pass a law that to ban books with gay characters in public and school libraries.

I agree with this quote from a librarian:

"We aren't in the business, and I don't think the legislature should be in the business, of telling people--especially adults--what they can and can't read," says Donna Schremser.

I hope it doesn't pass. There are so many great works of literature containing gay characters and written by gay authors. The article didn't mention gay authors, but I imagine that would be next.

valkyrie 12-02-2004 01:56 PM

I must put a gay character in my novel so that if it's ever published, I can have the honor of having it banned in Alabama.

sugar and spice 12-02-2004 02:07 PM

I think we should ban all ghey books. Like The Rules. I hear that's pretty ghey.

AlphaGamDiva 12-02-2004 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sigmagrrl
I'm sorry, but what the HELL is wrong with this state???They are like America's Saudi Arabia....When will they start making women stop wearing pants and start wearing skirts to the ankle and BURQUAS??????JEEZ!

You can defend this ass backwards state all you want. But lately, they've gone plum NUTS!

thanks for the generalization. :rolleyes:

i am from the beautiful state of Alabama, lived in huntsville, actually for 6 years before moving even farther South to mobile. this is one guy....i'm sure there are others out there like him, but i seriously doubt this will go anywhere. crack on this goofus all you want to, but please refrain from putting Saudi Arabia and Alabama in the same reference point. :mad:

AlphaSigOU 12-02-2004 03:48 PM

Though I've heard some wags call Dallas the "Southern Baptist Vatican" - their administrative and financial offices are in Big D.

GeekyPenguin 12-02-2004 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I think we should ban all ghey books. Like The Rules. I hear that's pretty ghey.
This is a great idea. Also Men are from Mars.

Senusret I 12-02-2004 06:05 PM

My book could be banned in Alabama!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phasad1913 12-02-2004 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaGamDiva
thanks for the generalization. :rolleyes:

i am from the beautiful state of Alabama, lived in huntsville, actually for 6 years before moving even farther South to mobile. this is one guy....i'm sure there are others out there like him, but i seriously doubt this will go anywhere. crack on this goofus all you want to, but please refrain from putting Saudi Arabia and Alabama in the same reference point. :mad:

Sorry, honey, but its not our fault that Alabama does the isht it does. If her saying Alabama is BACKWARDS is such a generalization, why did the state just pass that vote on the constitution and what is the deal with this piece of legislation? If you don't like it, and you love your state so much, why don't you do something about the obvious MAJORITY who are trying to turn back the friggin clock? They are the ones churning out the newsworthy bullshit.

Rudey 12-02-2004 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Sorry, honey, but its not our fault that Alabama does the isht it does. If her saying Alabama is BACKWARDS is such a generalization, why did the state just pass that vote on the constitution and what is the deal with this piece of legislation? If you don't like it, and you love your state so much, why don't you do something about the obvious MAJORITY who are trying to turn back the friggin clock? They are the ones churning out the newsworthy bullshit.
Not for nothing, but I heard Illinois has some sort of law that allows blacks to vote only temporarily (like blacks can vote for the next 30 years) and that the duration is coming to an end. It could be a rumor but a black guy told it to me and I'm too busy to check.

-Rudey

PhiPsiRuss 12-02-2004 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Senusret I
My book could be banned in Alabama!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope that it is because that could get you to the top of the NYT Bestsellers List.

GeekyPenguin 12-02-2004 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Senusret I
My book could be banned in Alabama!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If your book gets banned in Alabama, I will for sure buy a copy. ;) Maybe I'll buy one for kk_gphib_01's chapter too, since they won't be able to have such contraband.

Phasad1913 12-02-2004 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Not for nothing, but I heard Illinois has some sort of law that allows blacks to vote only temporarily (like blacks can vote for the next 30 years) and that the duration is coming to an end. It could be a rumor but a black guy told it to me and I'm too busy to check.

-Rudey

Nope, you're wrong and so is the "black guy" who told that to you. I have done the research both for undergrad and for an artcle that I wrote for my law school. I will send you the info if you are really interested.

Rudey 12-02-2004 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Nope, you're wrong and so is the "black guy" who told that to you. I have done the research both for undergrad and for an artcle that I wrote for my law school. I will send you the info if you are really interested.
In the future I will say a "black guy" told me there is a law in Illinois that allowed blacks to vote for only a certain period of time and a "black girl" said that he was wrong.

-Rudey

hoosier 12-02-2004 08:44 PM

In GA
 
In Georgia, a common question is

"What's the best thing to come out of Alabama?"

The universal answer is

"Interstate 20"

Phasad1913 12-02-2004 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
In the future I will say a "black guy" told me there is a law in Illinois that allowed blacks to vote for only a certain period of time and a "black girl" said that he was wrong.

-Rudey

why go to all the trouble? Just don't say anything in the future...at all...period...about anything.

Rudey 12-02-2004 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
why go to all the trouble? Just don't say anything in the future...at all...period...about anything.
In the future I predict your husband/possibly wife will slap you and it will be because you said this to me.

-Rudey

Phasad1913 12-02-2004 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
In the future I predict your husband/possibly wife will slap you and it will be because you said this to me.

-Rudey

LOLOLOLOL!! "possibly wife?" nawl homie. I don't climb that side of the fence. (no offense to those that do)

Optimist Prime 12-02-2004 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sigmagrrl
I'm sorry, but what the HELL is wrong with this state???They are like America's Saudi Arabia....When will they start making women stop wearing pants and start wearing skirts to the ankle and BURQUAS??????JEEZ!

You can defend this ass backwards state all you want. But lately, they've gone plum NUTS!

I like this post

Munchkin03 12-02-2004 11:18 PM

Did I really need another reason to keep my potential Its away from the South?

Rudey--what the guy said is untrue--to some extent.

From snopes.com...

"[The Voting Rights Act of 1965] didn't guarantee blacks the right to vote; they'd already held that right since the ratification of the 15th Amendment ninety-five years earlier. The Voting Rights Act provided for enforcement of that right. The Voting Rights Act authorized the federal government to send federal registrars to counties where local registrars refused to accept the registration of black voters, to send observers to monitor elections and ensure that blacks were allowed to vote (and that their votes were actually counted), and to mandate that certain areas obtain the approval of the Attorney General before making changes to their voting requirements or procedures.

The Voting Rights Act was never intended to be in force permanently. It was initially effective for a period of five years; that period was later extended for another five years, then another seven years, and finally for another twenty-five years, ending in 2007. Even if the Voting Rights Act is not extended again in 2007, this will not mean that the right to vote will "be taken away" from blacks — it will simply mean that the federal government will no longer require states to seek federal approval before changing their voting laws."

Kevin 12-03-2004 12:16 AM

Yes, I believe every state has legislators like this. We have a nut like this in Oklahoma. At the end of the day, these types of propositions just make juicy news stories but have no prayer of passing.

IowaStatePhiPsi 12-03-2004 11:38 AM

http://www.ala.org/ala/pr2004/decemb...nstatement.htm
American Library Association denounces proposed bill to ban state funds for gay and lesbian books

(CHICAGO) The following is a statement from American Library Association (ALA) President Carol Brey-Casiano:

"It is alarming and discouraging that Alabama state Representative Gerald Allen is proposing to ban books about lesbian and gay people from public libraries, schools and universities. Not only is the bill unworkable, it is discriminatory and unconstitutional.

"Libraries are for everyone - of all backgrounds and viewpoints - and provide a broad spectrum of materials from which to choose. This is what makes libraries the most democratic of institutions in this country.

"Every year, the American Library Association learns of hundreds of attempts to remove books from our public libraries and schools. Most of these books stay available because teachers, librarians and community members stand up for literature and the freedom to choose what to read and view. We trust that Alabama legislators will stand up to this latest attempt to censor our library collections."



AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION
50 E. Huron Chicago, IL 60611 Call Us Toll Free 1-800-545-2433

IowaStatePhiPsi 12-03-2004 11:41 AM

"Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen."
--_Heinrich Hein

emleepc 12-03-2004 01:43 PM

It's makes me sad that there are people in the world that have to bad mouth other states. There must not be much else to talk about wherever you are from. Pity.
It's also sad that one person is exercising his right to "freedom of speech" and is attempting to change something that he believes is wrong. Whether this banning of books happens or not, here in all the United States of America, (Alabama included), he is exercising his right to the freedom of speech.

Why don't we all get worked up about something else worthwhile?


ETA: Bring on the flaming, I know it's coming.....

valkyrie 12-03-2004 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emleepc
It's also sad that one person is exercising his right to "freedom of speech" and is attempting to change something that he believes is wrong. Whether this banning of books happens or not, here in all the United States of America, (Alabama included), he is exercising his right to the freedom of speech.

Um, how is banning books freedom of speech?

AlphaSigOU 12-03-2004 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
"Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen."
--_Heinrich Hein

When one burns books, it also burns humans in the end. (Literal Babelfish translation from German.)

GeekyPenguin 12-03-2004 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
Um, how is banning books freedom of speech?
Are you, like, a JAY DEE or something?

AlphaGamDiva 12-03-2004 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Sorry, honey, but its not our fault that Alabama does the isht it does. If her saying Alabama is BACKWARDS is such a generalization, why did the state just pass that vote on the constitution and what is the deal with this piece of legislation? If you don't like it, and you love your state so much, why don't you do something about the obvious MAJORITY who are trying to turn back the friggin clock? They are the ones churning out the newsworthy bullshit.
sorry, darlin, but my name's not "honey" address me like you're not my grandmother, please.

and no one said it was your fault. but it's not everyone in AL's fault, either. no one ever said that Alabama is the ideal state b/c it's definitely not, but you need to put yourself on a low boil.

emleepc 12-03-2004 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
Um, how is banning books freedom of speech?
Freedom to ban, freedom to not ban. The point is---he is free to speak out how he feels. Who are you to say that he can't? (or anone else for that matter)

GeekyPenguin 12-03-2004 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emleepc
Freedom to ban, freedom to not ban. The point is---he is free to speak out how he feels. Who are you to say that he can't? (or anone else for that matter)
Um, she is a JAY DEE. If you are not familiar with what a JAY DEE is, it is someone who spends three years learning how to interpret the laws of the United States of America.

--JD Sisterfriend

P.S. The Supreme Court can say he can't do this. And if it goes that far, I bet they will.

valkyrie 12-03-2004 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emleepc
Freedom to ban, freedom to not ban. The point is---he is free to speak out how he feels. Who are you to say that he can't? (or anone else for that matter)
Please be a dear and show me where I said he's not free to say how he feels. Kthx.

I'd also like you to explain to me how banning books = freedom of speech. I must have missed that day of Constitutional Law class because I thought they were not at all the same thing.

GeekyPenguin 12-03-2004 05:32 PM

First Amendment of the United States Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

We can talk about the Establishment Clause if you're confused about why he can't do this still.

33girl 12-03-2004 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emleepc
It's also sad that one person is exercising his right to "freedom of speech" and is attempting to change something that he believes is wrong. Whether this banning of books happens or not, here in all the United States of America, (Alabama included), he is exercising his right to the freedom of speech.

I think what she is saying is it's his right to use his freedom of speech to call for books to be banned and end up looking like an asshat.

He is free to ask for this and say it in public. It doesn't mean anyone supports him. She never said she thought banning books equalled freedom of speech.

chideltjen 12-03-2004 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
I think what she is saying is it's his right to use his freedom of speech to call for books to be banned and end up looking like an asshat.

He is free to ask for this and say it in public. It doesn't mean anyone supports him. She never said she thought banning books equalled freedom of speech.

She beat me to it, but yes I agree this is what she is trying to say.

So this guy has the right to say what he feels and propose a bill that will be shot down and make him look like a moron in the end.
:)

Phasad1913 12-03-2004 08:33 PM

Quote:

sorry, darlin, but my name's not "honey" address me like you're not my grandmother, please
Interesting, but you can call me DARLIN??? get the hell out of here.

Ok, then, sweetie pie, honey bun, whatever. I stand by my comments, 100 %. Alabama needs to get it together.

Now, I have other things to do. You want to go back and forth over how I address you, PM me.


thanks.

AKA_Monet 12-03-2004 10:11 PM

The fact is someone in Alabama wants to institute a state law to ban books on a particular subject matter or author's sexual preferences from public (taxpayer dollars paid) libraries and schools...

Hypothetically, if Alabama bans said books from public libraries and schools, then what other books of differing subject matters and a diversity of authors will be banned, also?

It is the future implications of instituting such a law that makes it questionable for many folks here on GC...

valkyrie 12-03-2004 10:22 PM

ALL WE NEED ARE BOOKS ABOUT JESUS.

AlphaGamDiva 12-04-2004 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Interesting, but you can call me DARLIN??? get the hell out of here.

Ok, then, sweetie pie, honey bun, whatever. I stand by my comments, 100 %. Alabama needs to get it together.

Now, I have other things to do. You want to go back and forth over how I address you, PM me.


thanks.

please note that "darlin" was in italics (in other words, placing emphasis) to show you how dumb it is to refer to someone like that. get the hell outta here/stand by your comments, whatever.....but above all, get over yourself.

and no, thank YOU.

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
I think what she is saying is it's his right to use his freedom of speech to call for books to be banned and end up looking like an asshat.
ditto that.


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