U of Oklahoma bans drinking in dorms and fraternities
 

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ampus_drinking

I'm surprised that alcohol isn't banned in dorms already.

Alcohol wasn't banned in the dorms at the state school I attended because people who were of age lived in the dorms, and thus should be permitted to have alcohol.

I don't know how things work at Oklahoma, but don't older students usually move out? If there are a few students who are of age, then they can go to the bars to drink. They don't have to have it in their rooms.

The student housing at UH-Manoa is smoke and substance free, but alcohol is permitted only in the dorms/aparments of those who are of age. If a minor is found in possession or if anyone gets caught drinking in the common areas, they can lose housing and be suspended from school.

I know I can't speak for Oklahoma, but I know of many older students who live in dorms/apartments up until graduation. It's ass expensive to rent an apartment on your own over here, so many people opted to live on campus.

I was still living in the dorms when I hit 21, and it was more convenient to just drink in my room with my friends and fellow sisters rather than get dressed and ready and hit up Magoo's -- that was for the weekend.

You go broke by hitting up the bars every night. It's cheaper to go to Costco and buy the wholesale supply of beer and drink in your apartment.

Maybe they would want to have it in the housing they are paying for?

I have even heard ot suggested that it might be safer to drink at home versus driving to the bars.

Where I attended, about 30% of dorm residents were 21. There is no reason to prohibit them from having alcohol in their room, and to do so would likely violate their civil liberties.

What is the rule about smoking in dorms? If it is prohibited, wouldn't that be a violation of civil liberties as well, especially since most students are old enough to purchase cigarettes?

No. There's a public interest there. If I'm in my room getting wasted and playing video games, my neighbor will not suffer from it like she would if I was in my room chain-smoking. My drinking won't give her lung cancer.

How long do we allow our Morals to be legislated?

God, Dont, Dont, Dont worry about it, We as your duly Elected Morons will take care of you!:(

Since always. Read the Federalist Papers. Read anything written by the founding fathers.

Minnesota State is a totally dry campus. No alcohol on campus anywhere, anytime..... no matter the age

THANK YOU.

Mankato? Moorhead? Both?

Minnesota State-Mankato

Otterbein is dry. No alcohol in any building (including fraternities and sororities). Also, no smoking. Up until this election, the entire town of Westerville was dry, you could not buy alcohol anywhere in the Westerville limits.

At Boston U. I know alcohol was allowed for those of age, but only up to a certain limit (one 6-pack and/or 1 liter of alcohol). That included all on-campus housing, dorms and apartments. I know there was a pretty large amount of upperclassmen living on campus, either as RA's in the dorms or in on-campus apartment-style (as I did for my last three years).

It's a huge move to ban all drinking on-campus; I'd like to see the reaction from the U. of Oklahoma student body.

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Alcohol wasn't banned at U of G. We were allowed alcohol in our dorm rooms provided we were of legal drinking age and that there were no beer bottles in the room.

Waterloo's only rule is "no glass in the halls". So as long as your pour your beer into a cup you're fine. In fact, floor crawls were rather popular when I was there. If they caught you as an underager, using you'd get chewed out by the Residence Life Coordinator if your Don really felt the need to report you but most of the time that didn't happen.

However, drugs were a different issue. Any drug use (including and most often pot) was grounds for expulsion from res. And criminal charges. I always found the difference in policy rather humourous.

same with both schools i've attended

Welcome to Pennsylvania, home of violated civil liberties!!

None of our state school campuses (this doesn't include Penn State) are permitted to have alcohol ANYWHERE. (except maybe a president's reception, but that's another story) It doesn't matter if you're 21 or not.

GP - did Wisco have a 21 drinking age before the Federal Highway Funding act or did they up it under that duress?

We were required to stay on-campus three years, and most people ended up staying on that 4th anyway. We didn't have a "dry dorm" or fraternity policy at all.

We upped it under that duress - and still not very willingly. Marquette also allows alcohol in rooms of those who are of age and I'm pretty sure they always did because my mom used to drink beer while she studied in the dorms. We didn't go to 21 here until 1986.

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But that's because most students were over 19. Now that Grade 13 is gone, and most frosh are under 19, I'm pretty sure that lots of schools have banned alcohol in rez.

Queen's had a no beer bottle rule as well.

Definitely no booze in the dorms at PA State Schools, although, at most of them, by the time you're 21, you live off campus anyway. It's usually cheaper than the dorms or upper campus apartments.

As for smoking, we could smoke in our rooms, provided you requested a smoking room. Otherwise, you had to go outside.

About smoking in SSHE schools....

Lock Haven banned smoking in your dorm rooms and on-campus apartments in the fall of 2002.

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Waterloo hasn't. Waterloo also doesn't have a dry orientation either. We're rather progressive in that manner.

Students are considered adults here regardless of age. Since adults are allowed to have booze, it is allowed in res.

If you are underage and are caught, then you have to deal with the concequences. In res, the concequences are small since they are only possibly harming themself. In the rest of campus (especially where underage drinkers threaten the campus' licence) the concequences are much worse.

They should pass a law making the overweight students go to the gym and diet.

It will help the campus look better, the guys will appreciate the girls with the tighter tushies, and the students will be healthier and have less of a risk of illness.

-Rudey

If it means I don't have to feel another fratty potbelly, I'd do it. :)

Was that all the schools or did they each do it individually?

Personally, I think it's somewhat hypocritical to ban smoking when asbestos is falling onto your bed, but I digress :)

We had the opposite, at least this is how I remember it - you weren't allowed to smoke in your room, you had to go in the TV room instead. I think the theory was to keep people from smoking in small spaces where others (possibly non-smokers) had to sleep.

As far as I know, Lock Haven is the only one to ban smoking in living areas. I don't know about the other 13 schools.

In the fall of 2002, the administration put out a survey which students filled out. In that survey, they found out that 60% of students don't like smoking. So they put out this decree stating that you can't smoke in the dorm (rooms included) or on-campus apartments (we have 2 different on-campus apartment complexes, Campus Village and Evergreen Commons.)

Although, you can still smoke outside any building on campus.

My campus banned handles ( of hard liquor) and kegs, but other than that you could carry anything, at any age. Pot was pretty tolerated, though other drugs weren't as much.

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An aricle in the Dec. 2 U. of Oklahoma student paper mentions that OU's president pointed out that the dorms at Oklahoma State U. (a different school) are dry. So it looks like the concept of a dry campus at the U. of Oklahoma isn't exactly going to shake the foundations of everything that higher education in Oklahoma stands for. :)

I guess if there are OU students or other Oklahoma citizens who just can't stand the idea of a dry campus, they could contact their state legislators and the governor to see if they could get a bill introduced, passed, and signed that would overturn the policy of the OU president and regents.

From a former student at OU (back over 20 years ago):

When I started as a freshman, those under 21 could possess and consume 3.2 pisswater in their dorm rooms and common areas of the dorm floor; those over 21 could possess and consume 3.2, "strong beer" (over 3.2%) and hard liquor in their dorm rooms and common areas.

When Oklahoma state law changed three weeks after the fall 1983 semester started, the rules were changed prohibiting consumption of any alcoholic beverage in the common areas. Those over 21 could keep alcohol in their rooms, though the rest of us underclassmen could do so as well - it was enforced by a "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" system. The RA's were too busy issuing noise and visitation citations than confiscating booze, unless it was blatantly in the open.

I hate to admit it, but OU's Greek community in those days was awash in alcohol; closed and open parties were graded by the number of kegs bought by the chapter for the function. The local beer distributors sometimes rolled out a keg truck for really large parties like Sigma Chi Derby Days; even the beer cups had Greek letters (except for FIJI) printed on them. My house, being one of the smallest on campus with its own housing, regularly bought a keg every weekend, two if it was football season. Our open party, the "Bayou Bounce" was a 6-8 kegger; smaller mixers, such as functions with the AGDs or the KDs (the rest of 'em didn't wanna socialize with the "motorcycle gang" and "apartment dwellers" :D) were one or two-keg affairs.

When my chapter rechartered in 1997, the restrictions on alcohol purchase and consumption were drastically changed. Having little knowledge of the new rules, I got my ass chewed out by a national officer for bringing in a case of the cheapest, nastiest champagne on the face of the earth - a tradition from the olden days. No big deal, though... it stayed hidden in the house manager's apartment until they left before the corks flew.

Being much older - and wiser - about alcohol consumption, I watched my newly-initiated brothers get thoroughly shit-faced while carefully nursing a beer.

Eventually, it was going to come to this new rule making the Greeks and the dorms totally dry; but all that's going to do now is drive drinking underground. Or force some chapters to go off campus to get sloshed.

Being at OU now...

Most upperclassmen do not live in the dorms, given that OU is predominately greek, and most houses have a one year live in requirement, that is usually the sophmore year. The upperclassmen that live in the dorms are usually either a) athletes b) exchange students or c) scholarship kids that can't afford to live elsewhere.

Alcohol was allowed in rooms where all occupants (in the case of doubles or suites) were of age.

Alcohol will still be allowed in the apartments, otherwise they are going to have a hell of a time renting them.

Technically, OU had a dry campus previously, as alcohol is not allowed to be sold on campus, and was not allowed on the campus proper, only in the dorm areas.

~K~

yeah.. so.. jan. 18th.. we go dry... city council raised hell about it.. it means there will be more parties out in the city.. in neighborhoods.. more DUIs .. more noise complaints.. MIPs.. etc. But it is going to happen.. it sucks.. I wish we weren't going dry.. but I suppose it was inevitable due to all the incidents just this past semester... Oh well..

I don't really know what the physical layout is at the University of Oklahoma but isn't it safer for people to be drinking at fraternity parties if they can walk there rather than driving to bars and risking accidents? That's the case at my school. its much safer to have people on campus than driving around downtown.

OU's campus plan is quite large; the Greek areas are divided into 'North Greek' and 'South Greek', with the dividing line being Lindsey Street. The dorms and South Greek fraternities and sororities are all south of Lindsey, while much of the academic buildings and some older established fraternities and sororities are north of it.

Back when I was an undergrad, my house was the furthest north on North Greek... it was a long trek by foot back to the dorms.

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As far as I know, it's still permitted. I honestly don't think there are as many 18 years olds as we believe. I suspect many of them are taking time off between highschool and university.

Also, it seems like an awful lot of people are driving to the bars. When I was at Guelph, that didn't happen. There were a few reasons; 1) most people didn't have cars 2) most people wanted to drink, so to not get stuck with DD or have to force some else to be DD, everyone split the cost of a cab 3) you could take public transit and it would drop you outside most of the bars 3) you could take the magic bus. The cost was paid for in your tuition, why not use it 4) Boo Radley's (RIP :( ) and The Palace provided a school bus some nights to take students to the bar. You paid for it in your cover.
My entire time at university I was driven to the bar twice. I just don't understand why people feel they need to drive to the local bar?

ETA: Here's what it says about alochol in residence at Guelph

Can I bring alcohol into residence?

YES. We allow those students of legal drinking age in Ontario to drink in their rooms. Beer must be purchased in single-serving cans. Beer bottles, kegs, mini-kegs, funnels and shooters are not allowed in residence and will be confiscated if found.

Drinking games are also not permitted. This was taken of their Kemptville College site. I couldn't copy and past off the UofG residence handbook because it was in PDF format.

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They left out party balls.

Just sayin'. ;)