Mom cuts off childs arms!
 

sick sick sick
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/23/sev....ap/index.html

That poor little baby didn't have a chance. :(

This woman is the poster child for the death penalty.

If she had a history of postpartum why would someone leave a child alone with her??

I was thinking the same thing. Most women suffer from postpartum depression without violent incidents. When my friend suffered from it, she was never left alone not because of violence, but because she couldn't function and mother properly. She was very fortunate to have a network of support surrounding her including her husband, sister, and mother in law. She sought and received treatment successfully including taking antidepressants and Omega 3 fatty acid. Studies indicate that omega 3 fatty acids helped replenished the maternal DHA depletion that occurs during pregnancy. It worked for her.

I wonder of this woman had any sort of medical treatment or a network of friends and family to help her.

Yeah if you take DHA during pregnancy, post partum depression can be avoided all together. . . shame a 5 dollar supplement could have saved the baby.

Pesky FDA makes it hard to maret stuff with health claims, and lets face it, most docs are behind the curve when it comes to natural supplements.

OMG the poor little one.:(

If the mom had a history of post partum depression why wasn't she seeing someone? Her husband knew something was up with her. He's just as much to blame for this death as she is.

Russ the death penalty would be too easy.

Clearly a disturbed woman. Sad.

OMG i just saw thsi on the news. That poor baby. Males me cry thinking about it. How and why did some one leave a child in her presence if she had these violent tendencies with post partum?


Reminds me of that one mother a few yrs back down in texas that drowned all her children and claimed post partum too.

:eek: I read this in the paper today. This happened in Plano, TX which really freaked me out :eek: :eek:

Freaky? "Wide Awake Wylie", where I live, is less than five miles away. The tragedy does hit close to home.

Being in geriatrics, I haven't dealt much with post-partum depression (go figure!). Has anyone on GC had a problem with it, that they'd be willing to share? Are there any statistics on how often it happens, does it tend to increase per pregnancy, etc?

The article I read said that this woman - and the other three "big" cases of it - had each had at least three children. Does the tendency towards PP get worse if the mother had a history of "normal" depression prior to becoming pregnant?

Yeah, I could look this up myself - but I'd tend to believe someone who's been there more than a bunch of stats.

Speaking out of semi-ignorance with the exception of having been a parent, it is my impression that many, if not most, women have Post Partum Depression at one level or another. Most is manifested by fairly mild to moderate sadness and does not last very long.

Again, that's only what I think from parenting experiences of our own and friends.

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

Wow. I can't even imagine doing that to anyone let alone a baby.....

Please explain this further - or was this an emotional response? I don't really see this as being the case, honestly.

What an obscene situation though - beyond sad, really. It's like a bad play. Ugh.

From reading another article on this situation, it was my understanding that the mother had been in treatment/counseling and was on medication for PPD but was declared "better" and functioning normally sometime this summer. Obviously that wasn't the case.

As DA alluded, PPD, or "baby blues," is very common in new mothers and (from my understanding) thought to be due to the sudden decrease and subsequent fluctuation of hormones as the woman's body attempts to regulate itself post-birth. Most cases of PPD seem to go away on their own within 2-4 weeks. In extreme cases, though, they can last longer and require medical treatment. It would be interesting to see if, in an extreme case such as this, the woman had a predilection towards depression or similar chemical/hormonal imbalances.

Very, very sad.

:mad: In this situation, there was no way that she should have been left alone with a baby--especially considering that she said she wanted to send the children to God.

What is up with TTTexas and PPD? :confused: Plus, a lot of these women appear to be Christian zealots.

In the original story that was posted at the time on ccn.com when it was linked by kddani, it was stated that the husband was "concerned" about his wife so he calls the other kids' daycare center from work to ask them to do a checkup call on her. If his gut was telling him something was up before or on the way to work, why did he let her be alone with the baby?

The story said she had a past history of post partum with the previous pregnancies. Was he that oblivious to the signs that she was having problems? Are post partum signs different every time?
I'm not familiar with this subject.

KSigRC, I based my opinion on the original story not the update one today. I agree this is a sad situation.

The overwhelming majority of PPD cases involve no harm to the child (or mother, for that matter) - however, a stastically tiny portion are exceptionally violent (and hence make the news).

The father's concern definitely should not be considered portentious of the baby's death - even knowing she had severe PPD, this does not necessarily imply the baby is in immediate danger.

Let's not make this man's grief worse by implying he is somehow at fault for the actions of his (mentally compromised) wife. [not specifically for you, just saying in general dudes]

I have a limited knowledge of PPD because of my friend's experience with it. She had her first baby and suffered from the 'baby blues' for a few weeks. She felt much better by her six week check up. When she had her second child, she couldn't shake that depressed feeling. She was still feeling bad by her six week check up. She was overwhelmed by every task. She was constantly tired despite getting what should have been ample sleep. She thought that the feeling would go away, but after ten weeks it didn't. I cannot tell you want went on in her mind, but everyone knew that she was suffering and it wasn't normal.

Around this time, my sister was doing research about Omega 3 fatty acids and DHA depletion in postpartum depression. My sister told her about the research. The therapist encouraged my friend to take the supplement as well as anti-depressants, and they worked. Mommy and babies are doing well now.

There is a third category called postpartum psychosis. Apparently, Andrea Yates, who drowned her children, suffered from this. This woman probably did also.

I think there is always post partum on different level because the hormonal charge you body just had in delievery and carrying a baby around for nine months.


some have a mild case of the "blues" and than there are those like this woman in texas...... Some cases last a very little amt of time to those who are overcomed by it.

I just can't believe this ......breaks my heart to hear of what she did.

really sad . :(

I had a mild to medium case of it after my oldest daughter was born. I wasn't violent or anything; just a little "off". For example, I got tired of reminding Mr. KR to put his dishes in the dishwasher so when he just put them in the sink, I put them in the garbage can.

Oh, then when daughter number one was a few weeks old my inlaws told me they were coming up to Maine to stay with us so instead of just telling them it wasn't a good time I waited until Mr. KR went to work, packed up my daughter, took a cab to the Portland airport, bought two first class tickets on the first plane to Pittsburgh and stayed with my mommy for a month.

Looking back, those things were very out of character for me but at the time they felt completely normal. It really chills my heart, though, that someone could think cutting off their child's arms could ever feel normal :(

I wonder if anyone has done any investigating to see how many of these Texas women have had some sort of communication with Michael Woroniecki. He was the pastor of Andrea Yates who had told her numerous times that her children were going to hell and thus she snapped and killed them.

http://depression.about.com/cs/babyb...postpartum.htm

link about postpartum depressioin and DHA.

Keep in mind that 60 percent of your brain weight is DHA and in fetal development the DHA is taken from the mothers body.

According to some theories, we get much less DHA in our standard diets than we are evolved to need.

In fact, they can track depression in countries by the fish consumption their population.

DHA supplementation has been shown to make healthier and more neurollogically advanced babies.

DHA is also one of the first things thats suggestted for ADD and ADHD.

I am surprised all women don't know aboutt his stuff. Isn't it covered in our abstinence only education?

Does everyone know the signficance of folic acid supplementation when pregnant?

When pregnant, they put you on a prescription pre-natal vitamin that's stacked with folic acid. You frequently are put on iron as well. If you don't get pre-natal health care though, you probably wouldn't know.

I had some post partum depression, complicated by being married to an idiot. It eased greatly when I went back to work at 6 weeks. It wasn't easy going from independent working woman to stuck at home with newborn woman with no contact with the adult world for days on end. Add a colicky baby to that mix and WOW. You are sleep deprived too, which doesn't help. If you never sleep more than an hour at a time, you get really messed up. Add that to the hormonal changes. It is a tough time. For me it was less with the second child simply because I knew that it would get easier and that it really didn't last that long.. and I'd survived it all once.

Keep in mind, women of child bearing age are also at the peak time for most mental illnesses to appear. It is entirely possible that what is diagnosed as post partum depression is really just plain depression and that the stresses of being a new mom brought on the first episode.

Dee