Pacers/Pistons game
 

WTH?!?! Ok, how is a foul going to lead to a melee like that. Yes, Ben Wallace was out of order. But, why are fans throwing drinks and punches?Why are players fighting fans? Poor Larry Brown :(

How will the league handle this? What will happen to Wallace and Artest? What consequence will the fans face (the man who threw the beer at Artest deserves some sort of punishent)?

....i couldn't believe what i was seeing....
WTF...fa real....
those fans went NUTS fa real...
all that was mos def uncalled for....

Why am I not surprised Ron Artest was in the middle of it?

I have never seen anything like that in my life. Wow, are there going to be major suspensions and lawsuits going on. Pretty scary scene!

from what i heard on sports center, every player involved will be suspended for the season....

definelty some major lawsuits. them bitches that got hit are about to be rich.

Dang!! Artest is going to get #$(&#@!!!

Larry Brown was practically in tears in a press conference afterward. That was really sad...

It was the focus of the local news casts at 11 last night (of course) and one of the things mentioned is that these two teams face each other again on Christmas Day in Indiana.

good lord...what were they thinking?

Utterly embarrassing and ridiculous (plus, I couldn't see my Miami highlights before I went to bed last night because of this coverage :mad: )

I'm also not surprised that Ron Artest had some sort of role in this. Great talent with a questionable head. I expected intensity -- you have the defending champions and a division rival -- but not
that.

i just caught it on the news this morning and my jaw dropped. why are people so stupid?! i dont even know what to say after seeing that. i am ashamed for them:mad:


i just saw footage of children in the crowd crying. that really ticks me off:mad: it breaks my heart that they had to be there to watch that.

That fight made my night yesterday. I had spent 6 hours studying before I caught that highlight with about 15 of my brothers. Unbelieveable.

But the catalyst for this whole riot was the fans. Everything was cooling down pretty readily, and that one guy throws the cup. Absolutely 100% uncalled for, and you seriously have to think "hmm, Ron Artest, there's someone who is going to take getting hit with a plastic cup maturally". That guy (who threw the cup) was the catalyst and his actions are what led to the incident.

As for the people who came on the court, they got what was coming to them. You dont' go down on to the court during the middle of a fight unless your planning to get involved. No person worried about their safety does something like that, and I hope that the legal system points that out, and those f*****s dont' get a dime.

I really think that if the fans had stayed out of it, that would have died down without much incident. The fans were the ones who were making it unsafe and throwing things like that chair that came flying in.

Absolutely unbelieveable.

The more I see, the more I think (and no one is a bigger advocate for personal responsibility than me) that Ron Artest is largely a victim of colossal circumstances. Poor bastards just a lightning rod. But I dont know of ANYONE in the NBA (or MLB, come to mind) that wouldnt have charged that cup throwing knock-kneed coward. What I saw was righteous indignation from a lot of the players, and a lot of cheap shots thrown by the Detroit fans. Places other than Detroit do have these kinds of problems, but that doesnt excuse Detroit. After this season, or even sometime during, the possibility of eliminating courtside seats altogether should be examined.

Oh, and I thought it was fucking hilarious when Jermaine O'Neal clocked that tubby bastard on the court.

Everyone is to blame here. The fans deserved to get the shit kicked out of them by the players b/c they are the ones who incited the whole thing. The players deserve to get suspended for the rest of the season. It's an emotional game & some people get overenthusiastic. That's not excusing the fan but he would have likely been kicked out of the game.
The victims were the kids we saw on the highlights. The little boy crying in his brothers arms & the little girl who looked scared to death next to her dad. Also, the poor old lady who got trampled. Seriously, wtf were these people thinking? I haven't seen anything this bad since the Dodger game where the fan threw a beer bottle at Milton Bradley.
The fan who threw the stuff knew exactly what they were doing. Who throws stuff at guys like Artest & Bradley? Everyone knows they have extremely volatile tempers. It's just adding fuel to an already burning fire.
Too bad about the lawsuits though. Just another way to give the NBA a bad rep. In addition, you can bet those guys will just end up buying season packages with their $$$.

it was the fan's fault for throwing the cup...chances are that artest'll be sued or whatever. i'm mad jermaine o'neal came in with the street fighter 2 running punch on ol boy...that was hilarious

Oh god, give it up - i know you love hockeytown but this is only one in a series of bullshit events in detroit sports history (disco demolition night, anyone?) . . . sometimes you're called hoodlums because YOU ACT LIKE HOODLUMS.


Yeah, and that reputation is forever destroyed in my mind. You'd have knocked that mouthy-ass clown down too if you'd been rabbit punched in the back of the head while trying to break stuff up (which is why O'Neal went nuts), or if you had trash cans full of beer/brat sludge tossed on you, or if you were getting held back while you get punched (which is what happened to Artest).

Yeah, Ron Artest is a nutcase, but in this case how much do you expect the man to take? If any fan gets a single dollar out of this, we should go piss on his lawn, b/c it's a joke.

Also - no suspensions will be for the 'season', I was watching SC in the bar all night, they just suspended 4 players (Wallace, O'Neal, Artest, Jackson) but I'd guess they get the 'indefinite' which turns into 5-7 games. Less for Wallace, perhaps more for O'Neal.

I thought Disco Demolition night occurred at old Comiskey Park in Chicago?

Although the Detroit Tigers did play in the Disco Demolition games, that actually happened in Chicago at Comiskey Park, and it was White Sox fans going wild. Give Chicago hoodlums proper credit. :)

I recall Detriot burning itself to the ground after the Tigers beat the Padres in the 1984 World Series. Maybe that's why I wasn't surprised last night.

I still don't get why cities riot when they WIN........

It sucks but I'm happy that Philly wasnt involved. PHILLY FANS ARE NOT THE WORST FANS IN SPORTS NOW!!! :mad: :mad:

I made a mistake, but at least I got one of the teams right, haha -

On the other hand, you're choosing to be a douche about this for no reason. Sportscenter was right - the fans incited this. Detroit fans incited this. Detroit fans, who are known for being bad fans. Detroit fans, who presumably are from Detroit.

you do the math, ace, or shut the fuck up


Whoops - ETA -


Re-read your diatribe, you prove my entire point. I'm not saying your city sucks, I'm saying it is known for bad fans. Get that through your thick skull, chief.

And don't even begin to strawman me w/ some half-assed greek life analogy. It's non sequitur (www.dictionary.com for that one boss)

Drunk ass that threw the beer should have had his ass KICKED!

I dont agree with over payed Butt Heads, but if someone did that to me, oops, your friggen bad MFer!:mad:

Oh, I thought this was supposed to be a Sport, but it seems many live through their teams and players. Maybe it is beacuse they or losers who cannot do S**T!:o

auburn hills isn't in detroit

:confused: :confused:

Many people are "at fault" because the incident couldn't have occurred without each element:

1) Artest made a cheap foul that was unnecessary with the Pacers ahead by 12 and 1 minute to go in the game.

2) Wallace reacted to that foul with violence himself, unnecessarily... maybe he came back too soon after his brother's death.

3) The ONE fan who first threw the beer at Artest was wrong.

4) Artest was wrong for reacting as he did and going up into the stands and punching out the WRONG fan.

5) Everybody who was violent in any way was wrong.

6) They were in Auburn Hills, not Detroit

7) 20 years ago, there were some cars set on fire during the 1984 World Series celebration, which was a bad thing. The city was not "burned to the ground" by any means. Since that time, many many cities have had celebrations after sports victories (and losses) go bad and bad things happened. Detroit has since had numerous celebrations (Pistons in early 90's, last year, Red Wings 3 times) without any problems.

8) Hoodlums can't afford those court side seats. They are $80 a ticket and only season ticket holders can get them.

9) Innocent bystanders (like the woman who was trampled), if seriously injured, most certainly should sue.

10) It is embarassing to everybody from Detroit for this to happen, but I do believe it could happen anywhere.

Dee

Agreed on all points. I wonder what the NBA will do to try to prevent things like this from happening again. Cage matches anyone?;)

Those NBA analysts on ESPN were pretty quick to slam the city of Detroit as a whole. I wonder if they are still pissed at seeing the Lakers get drilled last year in the Finals:D

i just wish i was the guy who was wrongly hit...i would have such a civil suit on my hands against that thug...just hearing the bank account levels rise...

ordinarily i wouldn't be one to sue anyone...but this should set an example.


....as for the cages...I know it was a joke, but as long as they cage the players & not the fans...the primiere league did that years ago in england and throughout europe...lots of deaths there

Shit, the Argentina league has those up as high as four stories.....seeing as thought the entire crowd bum rushes and climbs the fences every goal..

Seriously.....every goal is possible death...

I think the problem is that, these days, many fans don't just pay to WATCH a game....they pay to be PART of it.

See any hardcore football crowd and how they affect the snap count. See Duke basketball.

Why was Artest laying on the scorer's table anyways?

Where were the refs?

Where was security?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No, I haven't watched the video over and over and very well could've missed something, but...... I just didn't see a) the point for Artest laying on the scorer's table, b) didn't see the refs trying to break up anything, c) didn't see any security trying to break up the riot.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nothing like a match between Boca Juniors and River Plate to really get the crowd going - it makes OU-Texas look like child's play!

Or for those who like Brazilian soccer, Flamengo vs. Vasco da Gama. That's good for a riot or two.

I missed this until about 6 pm tonight, when I caught some highlights out of the corner of my eye while walking through the mall. Does anyone know where I can download video of it to see what happened (I am the last person on Earth not to have cable)?

The refs were trying to break up the numerous scuffles between players that erupted when the benches cleared.

Artest was laying on the scorer's table, presumably trying to calm down and keep himself out of the melee on the court.

Security.. now that's a good question. One of the guys who was trying to restrain Artest was a Palace Usher. The Palace has announced that they will be implementing "playoff level" security for the rest of this season (perhaps forever). They have publicly said they are thankful that they have weapons screening in place already, because if somebody had pulled out a knife or gun it would have been truly tragic. Local authorities are watching and re-watching the tapes and intend to file criminal charges against those involved. They did point out, in watching the videos that no Detroit fans threw the first punch in any of incidents. I felt most badly for the ballboy on the court that Artest punched out after he left the stands. The announcers on NBC said repeatedly "Nobody could stop something like this, when this many guys are involved, nobody can stop it".

I think local news has more film coverage than others. One of the sports reporters from our Local 4 was 5 feet from Artest when he leaped off the table and they had camera men around waiting to do interviews after the game who started rolling when the melee broke out. Most are speculating the (in)famous Geoffrey Feiger will probably represent the victims.

Nikki: try Click on Detroit for the film of it.

I'm also going to remind people.. bench clearing brawls have occurred in every sport and many, many people talk about it as if it's "cool" afterward. This was a bench clearing brawl that got totally out of control. A lot of people watch hockey for the fights.

Dee

Oops, I was writing all that when Phyllis posted!

I know if its just in Illinois or MLB but there is a policy of some sort that fans who interfere during a game are arrested and fined some amount. Did the guy who threw the water get arrested or fined?

They didn't identify him until some additional video came out today. He will probably be arrested and if he's a season ticket holder, will lose his tickets. He was the guy in the white hat who grabbed Artest and then threw punches at him from behind when Artest ran up into the stands and started punching out the wrong guy. There is video of that on clickondetroit.com too.

Stephen Jackson was a thug ass bitch when he played in San Antonio a few years back. This shit dont suprise me.

totally ridiculous...games are there to be watched not as a jump in.

Supposed to be Sports?

Way over paid people for onething while the rest of us peons pay for them to be stupid.

Suspend them, make an example of them.

Hell if was something to do with Greeks, well I guess we can all answer that question!

Do Primadonas sound about right?:(

Give me College Sports, well until yesterday!:)

Lots of great dancing, sparing and a few good licks! Suspend them also! College sports is getting more like Pro Sports Daily!:(

The butler_univ LJ community had a clip of it posted...I believe it was an open post so you can go check it out.