Still an issue in Black America?
 

A feature in this month's Ebony magazine raises the question: Is Skin Color Still an Issue in Black America?

One author stated, "I think people who look less African are more likely to make White Americans more comfortable to be around."

Norma Solomon White, supreme basileus of AKA says we need to put skin color behind us. "It is not as much of an issue as it was many, many, years ago... I think that the few people who feel that you have to look a certain way are in the minority."

I heard our National President gave her opinion also. I don't have the actual magazine here, so if anyone does, how did she reply?

Cultural experts say how Michael Jordan's image and Tyson Beckford's image have changed the way many African-Americans view color and beauty and find out why Black men are less hung up on color than they used to be.

For those of you who have read the article, do you agree or disagree and why?

whether or not we want it to be we as a people are still very color struck. we have very definite ideas about what it means to be dark or light skinned. light skin equals stuck up and pretty or stuck up because you're pretty. if it were not so, people would not still metion one another in terms of color ie 'red' 'yellow' etc. not pick on the aka's but in many step shows i have seen down south, they have their girls shake their hair throughout the entire show. why? even some Delta chapters are notorious for only taking light-skinned girls. sad but true.

Greetings Sorors and Friends,
I have been following this forum for a while now but this topic inspired me to respond. I too read the recent article in last month's Ebony magazine. It was nice to see intelligent dialogue on this topic, as it seems to still rear its ugly head within our community.

In addition, it was interesting to note the different contributors chosen to give comments on the issue. I think that as members of BGLOs it is our responsibility to lead the fight against this type of bias we inflict upon our communities and ourselves. I know that many of us have seen or heard problems/situations surrounding the "color" issue and, regardless of a person's respective hue, the issues still arise. As I think about our illustrious sisterhood and the other great BGLOs that make up the "Divine Nine" I think that we can lead the change in this area. By embracing the beauty of our race with all of its shapes, sizes and colors, we can rise above these 'simple' issues. By focusing on our accomplishments as a collective rather than looking at the physical appearance of individuals we can move away from the division this issue creates.

However, it is one thing for us to discuss this issue but we must also be proactive in trying to combat it. We can do that through mentoring our youth and being positive role models. We as progressive, civic-minded people must de-emphasize our preoccupation with skin color and focus on developing and fostering the self-esteem of the next generation.

I know that my post is getting long so I will stop rambling now. But I really enjoyed the article and I like the fact that the leaders of BGLOs are on one accord in regards to this issue (and people say we don't get along). If we ALL stay inspired with the spirit of our Founders, we can overcome this issue within our community and carry out their vision in the new millennium.

Skin color still plays a part in our society especially in the small texas town I live in. I have a cousin who is very light skin and is mistaken as being half-white/ half-black or just totally white. But sometimes her personality isn't very friendly and when other black people see this side of her, they would make remarks such as "she shouldn't act that way because she could use her skin color as an advantage." So this is still a problem that probably won't go away because the media and music videos focus on Vanessa Williams- type looks. But African models such as Alex Wek are providing the image, especially to young women with short hair and dark skin, that they can be considered beautiful as well.

Yes, it's still sad but true about this issue amongst African Americans that just won't go way. I do think it has gotten a little better but I know for a fact that some of our people are still colorstruck. It all started in slavery to be used as a division tool to break up the unity of our people in the first place (you know the house/field thing). I feel that if we as African Americans keep in dialogue about this issue by communicating (not hating)and actually listened, we can to heal the wounds left from such silliness that has tried to break our spirits as a race. I'm glad to see that magazines such as Ebony and this forum are challenging us to address this issue which clearly still exists. Black is beautiful and I'm talking about all the hues that make up our race. Peace.
And OOOOO-OP! TO MY SORORS OF DST!

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This issue makes me sooo sad. The other day, I was talking to my cousin who is SIX years old, and she was telling me how she didn't think she was cute because she wasn't light skinned. Now my cousin is adorable (and I'm not being biased) but this was very disheartening. I couldn't beleive at such a young age, she was already caught up in the color complex issues some people have. Besides, at six, she shouldn't be worried with how pretty she is, she should be having fun. What kind of message are we sending today's youth???

It is sad. I know my feelings about my color began as a fiarly small child- 6 or 7. My mom used to always buy me two baby dolls- the white on and the Black one because I cognitively knew I was Black but I resembled the white doll more. Crazy world.

My very best friend is a beautiful dark skinned woman who also struggled with feelings about her color. How cathartic for us both to realize that we had similar feelings but on opposite ends of the color spectrum.

Growing up in Brooklyn I had the opposite
effect. I always had to prove that I was black. When I was little I was light skinned,with long curly hair. I was called
oreo reverse(white outside,black inside)Puerto Rican,hey I thought it meant light skinned black person, I was 10 years old at the time.By the 8th grade I was so pro Black
I wanted to change my name to Angela Joanne
Davis Chesimard. Then I realized that you either liked me for me or the hell with you. People still sometimes come up to me and speak spanish, but I just say "I am trying to speak better so please talk to me in English".

I try to just charge it to ignorance, but it's sad that some people still make this an issue. What makes me upset is when a guy will stop me and say I'm "pretty... for a dark-skinned girl." WTF? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif People will always be ignorant, no matter WHAT shade you are. It all comes down to being comfortable with who you are and loving yourself. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

I am so proud, my search worked! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Just the other day I was walking down the street in my own world and some man started to talk to me. I was not ignoring him, I was just in my own space and did not notice. I did notice when he answered my silence with "What? You too light and saddity to tlk to a dark skinned bruva?"

I am very, VERY fair (like the other psot said- mistaken for mixed or sometimes just White) and as a child my shyness was often interpreted as being stuck up over being light. Ironically, I spent my whole childhood wishing I would wake up and be dark. They would assume I was stuck up becasue I was light. I still get it. I get the hey red and the why are you a Delta? You LOOK like an AKA. They're the lgiht ones and y'all are the dark ones. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif WTF???? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif To me, that is an insult to both organizations.

I do think Black Americans are still color struck. To me, the popularity of Tyrese and Tyson are part of the same phenomenon. I mean we turn our complexion into a fashion statement. You can see trends over time of a complexion being "in". How twisted is that? Of all the things to make a trend. And one that you cannot change at all and can do damage to one's psyche.

I was/am very pro-Black and was down right militant for a time,too, as an attempt to prove my Blackness. It did take maturing and learning to love me for me to start to make a difference in how other people's ignorance affected me.

I still get you have to be Puerto Rican all the time!

I wrote an article about this topic for my school's newpaper last year. Skin color issues are still very prevalent in our community. It's sad that some of us still use color as a way of separating ourselves. I had a friend in high school who was a part of a clique called the "Caramels", because they were all caramel complected. I'm dark-skinned and I've had people tell me that I have "nice features, for a dark-skinned person." I can't believe the nerve of some people. Do they think that is a compliment? I just wish people would think before they speak, that way a lot fewer ignorant comments would be made.

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Yes still an issue definitely. I unfortunately have a bit of an issue with it myself. I completely find light-skinned men a turn off. Dunno why just do. I have to pray about that. I agree with RShonda I completely hate it when people tell Darkskinned women they are cute to be dark! My sister is dark and my sands is to and people say that to them and it makes me so mad like dark women are not beautiful. Ignorance, I swear!

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As Africian Americans we still have a lot of issues to deal with within our communities. Skin color being one. It is still an issue. When I was growing up there was one tv show that had a Black woman it was "Julia",there were no black dolls or pictures or anything in magazines except Jet and Ebony that showed Black people.
In my family we run the gamet of shades of black from light to dark. How we view others begans at home, I was always empowered by my mother to feel beautiful, and proud of myself as a black person. I believe the sting of slavery has effected/affected our race in the area of skin color horribily, cause it caused division among us then and still does today.
With all the advertisements showing us, we are or at least some who remember what it use to be like find some joy in seeing reflections of themselves, regardless of the shade.
It's a problem, we still have people crossing the color line everyday, because they are treated so bad by some of us because they are light.
I will end on that because there are so many thoughts going through my head I could probably write a short book

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Yes, it is still apparent, look at the ads on tv!

Will it change? I don't think so.

being on the lighter end of the color spectrum i find almost daily that people are still color struck just by comments i get from males...specifically relating to color...in my own family, my great grandmother (rest her soul) would not positively deal with anyone that was beyond a certain shade...i heard stories of favoritism due to color even as recently as when me and my cousins were very young children and her not particularly caring for the other childrens color...but mine of course was suitable...i say all that to say that even today, as evidenced by the dark man/light woman pairings in film and television (a tradition that has been going on since the the early history of tv and film) light skin vs. dark skin is an issue for many...it may not be that evident to those whose appearance is not their livelihood...but as an individual whose appearance is a livelihood...i believe it still is a very pressing issue...




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I don't think that is a positive outlook to say that you don't think that the slave mentality will never end. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but I believe it will. With the emergence of so many bi-racial and multi-racial people, people perspectives of each other are going to change inevitably.
We have to teach our children and younger brothers and sisters not to view each other as dark vs light and watch what we say around them. If we do not teach them the right ways then the cycle will just continue. I believe it is up to us. Those who do not accept that we, as Black people, still have a lot of issues to discuss, will be the same ones who continue to say the same things to one another, keeping us as a people separated. We have to unite as a people first before we can even think about everyone else.
Just remember to think about that before making a comment about someone based upon their complexion, hair texture, or features.

I think that it is okay to view people as they are (dark, light or whatever) but we must not succomb to negative images associated with how they look (ie dark=ugly, light=stuck-up, etc).

I am a brown-skinned woman married to a light-skinned man; we married each other because of who we are, not because of our skin color. We have two little boys; one light, one dark. Since our complexions are so different, we can't help but notice in our everyday lives; our complexions are just another part of us.

There is no good or bad skin color; there just IS. period. Whether light or dark, we are still one people. Many don't beleive in that principle but that's another thread http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif




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Mu Psi '86
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Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

i think the saying back in the day was..."if you're white, you're all right...if you're black, get back, and if you're brown, stick around..."

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Sorors and SF

I believe this is still a major issue among African Americans because we let it defeat us!! We are still practicing slave mentalities with the divide and conquer rule!!! Some of our counterparts in white America use skin color as a way to determine their comfort level with being around minorities!! I think we still buy into their hype instead of appreciating our various shades of mocha brown, café au lait, and licorice. It is up to us in our communities to not buy into the hype. White America knows as long as we will listen to them some of us will still perpetuate the stereotype and forever be bound by our skin color.

See, we aren't ready to unite as a people, which is why I don't see change coming. I'll try to think more optimistically about my children's future, but as long as we stay caught up in promoting Eurocentric "beauty" and trying to ensure white people are "comfortable" around us.

I will admit I suffer from it, too. I'm in grad scool now, growing dreads, but when I go out on the market in a few years, at most I'll have braids. Part of is it because I like different hairstyles, but part is that I want a job, and white people and dreads don't necessarily mix well in conservative circles.

See on thing we got to realize is this, we are like flowers, we come in a variety of colors that is what make the Black race so beautiful. GOD made us this way. Just think about it, if we were all the same color would that be beautiful? Like whites they are the only race that is the same color. There is no variety. We need to get above that and let go of the slave metality. I date all women of color. But even in society there is color code. If your a light skinned black-you're going to make it, if your a brown skinned black-we'll take you, if you a dark skinned black-you are lower than low. This is how things are and we have to make a change. The shade of an individual skin doesn't mean he/she is ignorant, smart, sexy, etc.. We are caught up in that flavor bad. Look at the whities they go to tanning salons to get crispy and I do mean crispy orange. We have to realize we are beautiful and Black is back as a race.

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though i do not agree with you totally salience...i can see where you are coming from...without unity, there can be no progress...and at this point in black america...unity is severely lacking...therefore one could accurately predict that unless there is a concerted effort to build and maintain unity within our race...we will not progress as a people in the forseeable future...


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What would you do???
 

Okay, so I guess this is a relevant thread...

SOOOOO, I'm on the phone with 'prospect' dude having a casual conversation. We've spoken several times before, but never since I've been single. We were talking about "types". I was saying that I don't really think I have a type, although when I was younger, my boyfriends always seemed to be fair-skinned with dark hair/features. (He fits this mold) I also said that as I've gotten older, I don't think my type has changed (handsome is handsome), I've just ended up with darker brothers. "BUT," I tell him, "I'm not colorstruck or anything." So he says, "Well, I am!" I was like :confused:. So I'm like "Well, you said that I am the type of woman you usually go for, and I am not light-skinned (more honey-glazed ;)) by far. He says, "You're light enough for me!" So I'm like "Are you serious?" Ya'll he was dead-ass serious. He said that he wouldn't normally "go any darker than me".This kinda rubbed me the wrong way, but did I take this the wrong way?

What do you think of this comment?

He's colorstruck. I make no judgement on his preference, but he's definitely showing you that with his comment.

Don't really want to bang on dude because to be real we all have something we "like"; his just carries a lot of historical self-hate baggage. Me? I'm drawn to short women 5'0 -- 5'3" or so. I don't know why and can't explain it at all, but I am. I'm 6'0" so it really isn't an issue and I date women of different heights, but if she looks like she could get a 10-day contract with the WNBA I might have to think on it a minute :D

I get that...but the more I think about it, the more I wonder whether I should be offended or not that I 'barely made the cut'. :confused:

*LOL* @ the made the cut comment. Maybe he gave you extra credit for light eyes too. :cool:

Its so hard to say ~ where do you draw the line of someone simply having preferences versus self hate? :confused:

I do think in his case, though, he does have some issues only because of the "your light enough for me" comment. :rolleyes: That tells he that me specifically seeks out a lighter skin color.

LMAO.


....ahhhh, now you are learning the deeper meaning of life, young Grasshopper.:cool:

HaHaHa! Oh really, is that what you call it, Sensi I don't understand!?

EXACTLY!!! *SMH*

This is definitely definitely still an issue for ALL Americans. As long as there are differences among people, there will always be a reason to discriminate against others..

Lighter will be seen better IMO because its closer to white. Anything remotely close to being white is considered better i.e. saying someone has "pretty" hair usually means the texture is "fine" unlike the coarse texture...or saying someone has "pretty" eyes...uually mean they're lighter. I'm not a pessimist...but a realist...and I really don't think this will change. Coupled with a history full of self-hate and how the media pushes these images..I don't see a turnaround

I have dealt with the complexion issue all of my life from family and friends. I remember when my friend wanted to pledge AKA and wanted me to..I told her I would have no parts of an organization that had a "paper bag" test back in the day or that had the reputation of only wanting "lighter" girls. She didn't understand why I cared about that....at the time. NOw she does..because she feels some of her Sorors treat her different because she's dark-skinned.

Sad to stay..I think the issue is here to say. I know folx joke and say light skinned brothas went out of style in the 80's...but lightskinned black women have always been the "in" thing. I think the concept of beauty is different for black men and women.