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PhiPsiRuss 11-03-2004 04:26 PM

Which Republican Will Be Elected President in 2008?
 
A Republican will be elected president in 2008. This will absolutely happen. The economy is on the upswing, and no Republican will be as stupid as Al Gore was and distance himself from the President.

So lets get down to business. I see three major contendors, but no one knows what will really happen in the Republican primaries four years from now. The top three contenders could be three completely different men.

Jeb Bush - His brother will have a sky high approval rating in 3 years, and Jeb will have access to his brother's rolodex. I think that this makes him the top contender.

Rudy Giuliani - He is a sentimental favorite of many, especially for me. I worked for him in 1993 doing opposition research, and he was New York's Winston Churchill during, and after 9-11. He also has great fund raising capability. Working against him is that mayors of New York historically don't rise to higher office. The position is very brutal on a man.

John McCain - I voted Libertarian in 2000 because I was so disgusted that a man like McCain was beat by a man like Bush. He is as close to a perfect candidate that you can find, except for a few fatal flaws. He doesn't have a great fund raising aparatus, and he speaks his mind. I believe that America would be a better place with McCain as president, but I don't know if Republican primary voters believe that. He also has the disadvantage of being a senator without governmental executive experience. Americans like to elect governors and vice presidents.

moe.ron 11-03-2004 04:28 PM

Re: Which Republican Will Be Elected President in 2008?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
A Republican will be elected president in 2008. This will absolutely happen. The economy is on the upswing, and no Republican will be as stupid as Al Gore was and distance himself from the President.

So lets get down to business. I see three major contendors, but no one knows what will really happen in the Republican primaries four years from now. The top three contenders could be three completely different men.

Jeb Bush - His brother will have a sky high approval rating in 3 years, and Jeb will have access to his brother's rolodex. I think that this makes him the top contender.

Rudy Giuliani - He is a sentimental favorite of many, especially for me. I worked for him in 1993 doing opposition research, and he was New York's Winston Churchill during, and after 9-11. He also has great fund raising capability. Working against him is that mayors of New York historically don't rise to higher office. The position is very brutal on a man.

John McCain - I voted Libertarian in 2000 because I was so disgusted that a man like McCain was beat by a man like Bush. He is as close to a perfect candidate that you can find, except for a few fatal flaws. He doesn't have a great fund raising aparatus, and he speaks his mind. I believe that America would be a better place with McCain as president, but I don't know if Republican primary voters believe that. He also has the disadvantage of being a senator without governmental executive experience. Americans like to elect governors and vice presidents.

You think Giuliani will be acceptable to the Christian rights?

As for McCain, I think his age might go against him. Not sure about Jeb Bush. It will depend how well GWB will do in his final four years.

Kevin 11-03-2004 04:30 PM

Re: Re: Which Republican Will Be Elected President in 2008?
 
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Originally posted by moe.ron
You think Giuliani will be acceptable to the Christian rights?

As for McCain, I think his age might go against him. Not sure about Jeb Bush. It will depend how well GWB will do in his final four years.

I'm not sure what % of the Republican party is made up by the Christian right. I think both parties by and large vote for whoever the media tells them the "front runner" is (see: John Kerry).

PhiPsiRuss 11-03-2004 04:35 PM

Re: Re: Which Republican Will Be Elected President in 2008?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by moe.ron
You think Giuliani will be acceptable to the Christian rights?

As for McCain, I think his age might go against him. Not sure about Jeb Bush. It will depend how well GWB will do in his final four years.

Before 9-11, there would be absolutely no way that Giuliani could get through the Republican primaries. The Religous Right would have destroyed him fast. Right after 9-11, he could have become president easily if other factors were favorable (his party presiding over a good economy or the other party presiding over a bad economy.) In 2008, 9-11 may be too distant of a memory to allow the goodwill of Religous Right to overlook that he is pro-choice and pro-gay rights.

McCain might be too old, but then again, his age may have mellowed him enough to be able to get through a full presidential campaign without repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth.

I think that Jeb will have the goodwill towards his family, and access to an amazing political machine. That's why I think that Jeb cvan do it.

phigamucsb 11-03-2004 05:14 PM

The Republican Party is a wait your turn party and John McCain is the next in line. Giuliani might possibly move ahead of McCain, but I'm not sure if I see that happening. As for Jeb Bush, he's not quite ready yet.

Sistermadly 11-03-2004 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by phigamucsb
As for Jeb Bush, he's not quite ready yet.
And his brother was? On what merit? Between the two of them, Jeb was far closer to presidential caliber than his brother.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me. I'll either be a full-fledged Canadian or dead by 2008.

moe.ron 11-03-2004 06:07 PM

Giuliani might push the Republican back to the centre and this might piss off some hard core right winger. If Giuliani gets nominated, will he be able to push his pro-choice, pro-gay policies? This might divide the Republican party between the smaller government/government off people's bedroom fiscal conservatives vs. the Christian rights. Will be interesting to watch.

hottytoddy 11-03-2004 06:58 PM

What about Majority leader, Bill Frist?

Pike1483 11-03-2004 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by hottytoddy
What about Majority leader, Bill Frist?
My thoughts exactly-- I'm a big fan of the good doctor. Big fan of Giuliani, too, but I'm not sure how I feel about him being President. Jeb would be awesome just because it would piss so many dems off.
I'm hoping Frist, but who knows, that's a long time from now.

IowaStatePhiPsi 11-03-2004 07:27 PM

hell- I'd vote for Giuliani
He's more liberal on social issues than Kerry was.

kddani 11-03-2004 07:31 PM

4 years is a long time away. We have no idea what will happen in the next 4. Back in 2000, none of us could've ever imagined 9/11 and how much it changed our lives. While it's fun and interesting to conjecture, nothing will be predictable for awhile yet.

hottytoddy 11-03-2004 07:38 PM

Anyone think that Arnold might try to find a loophole so he can run?

kddani 11-03-2004 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by hottytoddy
Anyone think that Arnold might try to find a loophole so he can run?
i've heard on the gossip shows that he has these aspirations.

That would be tough. I don't know what kind of loophole could be found. He'd have to change the constitution, and for something like that, that's not going to happen

IowaStatePhiPsi 11-03-2004 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by kddani
He'd have to change the constitution, and for something like that, that's not going to happen
Hatch sponsored an Amendment that would change the Constitution to allow naturalized citizens of X years be able to run. I think his was naturalized citizen for 21 years. I believe it should be naturalized citizen for 14 years, having lived 10 consecutive years in the states or territories of the United States.

There's really no reason to keep the naturally-born requirement these days. And I think it could pass through enough states in time for the next election if it quickly gets out of Congress.

EtaPhiZTA 11-03-2004 07:59 PM

My vote is for Jeb! Hail to the Chief.

kafromTN 11-03-2004 08:07 PM

Bill Frist for President and have Rudolph Giuliani as Vice-President. That combination would win in a landslide.

Just my $.013264 worth
Mark

ZTAngel 11-03-2004 09:12 PM

If Giuliani ran, I would definitely vote for him...this is coming from a social issues standpoint. A lot can change in 4 years and his social issues stance could change but, as of now, I like him.

smiley21 11-03-2004 09:15 PM

Jeb Bush has said repeatedly that he is not interested in running for President. then again, he does have Bush blood, so he may change his mind. I think that Jeb is a great guy. I like him better than his brother.

i can tell by his interviews lately that Rudy has definitely been thinking about 2008....i think that would be cool...

ASUADPi 11-03-2004 09:19 PM

I read that Jeb Bush said that he wouldn't run for president in 2008 (something about being the gov. for Florida enough for him).

As someone from AZ I adore John McCain. I was so sad to see him drop out of the election four years ago. I truly hope that he attempts to run again, but as someone mentioned I think his age is what might be against him. But I think he would have an awesome chance.

I definatley think Guilani (sorry I didn't spell that name right) would be an awesome president too.

Rudey 11-03-2004 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
hell- I'd vote for Giuliani
He's more liberal on social issues than Kerry was.

When separated from his evil wife he moved in with his good friend Koeppel and his gay partner. NY'ers will know Koeppel as the guy who owns so many car dealerships in the city and Queens. I don't know if that had anything to do with anything but I thought you might find it interesting.

-Rudey

oncelurked 11-03-2004 10:01 PM

If Arnold were to get a loophole established so he could run, how many of y'all would be reminded of Demolition Man?

Personally, when someone mentions Arnold for President, it's the first thing that comes to mind.

AlphaSigOU 11-03-2004 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oncelurked
If Arnold were to get a loophole established so he could run, how many of y'all would be reminded of Demolition Man?

Personally, when someone mentions Arnold for President, it's the first thing that comes to mind.

"The Presidentator" just doesn't sound as good as "Der Governator!" :D

KSigkid 11-03-2004 11:11 PM

I like Giuliani a lot, same with with my state's Governor, Mitt Romney. A Giuliani/Romney ticket would be great, but we'll see.

I could see McCain giving it another go...Jeb Bush though has said repeatedly he wouldn't run, and I don't see anything changing that.

The1calledTKE 11-03-2004 11:12 PM

McCain could win over many Democrats. I think him running would be the easiest win if he runs in 2008.

ASUADPi 11-03-2004 11:19 PM

I have to say I find it pretty funny, yet cool, how many people seem to like McCain.

Sometimes it's just hard for me to realize that he is well known.

But then he is my US senator. I've met the man.

But I know absolutely nothing about my other senator or any other senators. That is why I find it really intersesting how many people like McCain.

(maybe I'm just being "selfish" because he is my senator :) )

AGDee 11-03-2004 11:28 PM

Republicans that I would seriously consider giving my vote:

McCain
Frist
Giuliani

Some Democrats have thought about wanting to lift the native citizen requirements to get Jennifer Granholm, governor of Michigan in there.. perhaps as a Vice President to start. She was born in Canada. She's very dynamic and appeals to a lot of Republicans as well because she's pretty moderate.

Dee

AlphaSigOU 11-04-2004 12:00 AM

Besides, ya can't go wrong with the son of a former CINCPAC. (Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet; his late father was CINCPAC when he was shot down over North Vietnam; a Navy destroyer, the USS John S. McCain (DDG-56) is named after both his father and grandfather, both of whom were admirals.

moe.ron 11-04-2004 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pike1483
My thoughts exactly-- I'm a big fan of the good doctor. Big fan of Giuliani, too, but I'm not sure how I feel about him being President. Jeb would be awesome just because it would piss so many dems off.
I'm hoping Frist, but who knows, that's a long time from now.

So, you are hoping for a Presidential candidate that would piss somebody off? very good way to choose your leader there.

cashmoney 11-04-2004 09:51 AM

I see JEB going at it in 20012 or 2016. I like Rudy G in 2008.

phikappapsiman 11-04-2004 11:33 AM

I'm hoping Jim DeMint of North Carolina or Coburn of Oklahoma. Maybe even DeLay of Texas. Seriously... This country needs to complete the cycle to the far right, and I think that once this happens, the country will make its final decent into polarization. I feel that by 2008, Roe v. Wade will be overturned, there probably will be a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages, and Social Security will have been privatized, so why not get a man who will move the country so far right that there will be no turning back. All they need to campaign on is "God, Guns and Gays", and they will win! Maybe a national law banning homosexuals and unwed mothers from teaching in public schools, school vouchers since it would be too obvious to overturn Brown v. Board of Education (but they could try), laws to get rid of "illegals" (but only the "bad" ones from Mexico or Cuba or Puerto Rico, not the good ones from the European countries), maybe even prayer in schools again. I honestly look forward to the possibilities!!!:)

Pike1483 11-04-2004 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
So, you are hoping for a Presidential candidate that would piss somebody off? very good way to choose your leader there.
I thought so, too

breathesgelatin 11-04-2004 04:16 PM

I would hope for McCain. I respect his political career and views very much even if I do not agree with them always. He is a very admirable person. He would certainly give the country a vigorous and articulate debate with his opponent and I would love to watch it. However I suspect that he's not interested in running. Who knows though?

I don't like Rudy Giuliani at all. That's a purely gut judgment of mine on just his demeanor. Something about him bothers me. He's fairly moderate however--but that might hurt him in terms of getting the nomination. I'm not that familiar with Republican hierarchy, but he doesn't strike me as someone the party would back for national office.

Jeb Bush: no way. I don't see that there's any way in heck this could happen. Not in terms of what he wants to do, or what the Republicans would go for.

Arnold I find hilarious and he's pretty liberal (HA) but I don't predict or support the Constitution being changed to favor him.

I despise Frist and his views. Please no...

Tom DeLay is obnoxious too. I don't want another Texas-style president.

So in short... McCain or Giuliani.

AznSAE 11-04-2004 04:22 PM

arnold for vp then

breathesgelatin 11-04-2004 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by AznSAE
arnold for vp then
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the VP have to be eligible to be president to run...?? I'm genuinely curious.

PhiPsiRuss 11-04-2004 04:30 PM

Frist is an interesting possibility. He is very likable. How good is he at raising money? If he has that apparatus in place, then he is viable.

McCain has tremendous popular appeal, but has he assembled an effective fund raising apparatus? He didn't have it in 2000. If he has the right people working for him, my guess is that he would be the front runner. I don't think that age will be an issue. Republicans nominated Dole in 1996, and he was no spring chicken.

Giuliani has raised a ridiculous ammount of money for Republicans all over America since 1993. A lot of people owe him. Only Jeb Bush has better fund raising potential. The Republican primaries are not all about money, and his social views could kill him. However, if Giuliani is the only credible pro-choice candidate in the field, he could divide and conquer.

If Jeb Bush doesn't want to run, he doesn't want to run. He is allowed to change his mind.

One thing that the 2008 Republicans won't have to worry about is appealing to Democrats. The economy will be so hot that it will be almost impossible for a Democrat to win.

AznSAE 11-04-2004 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the VP have to be eligible to be president to run...?? I'm genuinely curious.
i believe that anyone can be vp. but, if the president dies or resigns while in office, the vice president will not be president if he was not born in the us. i believe presidency will go to the speaker of the house. i heard it in history class once. i may be wrong.

The1calledTKE 11-04-2004 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AznSAE
i believe that anyone can be vp. but, if the president dies or resigns while in office, the vice president will not be president if he was not born in the us. i believe presidency will go to the speaker of the house. i heard it in history class once. i may be wrong.
It would go to the Secretary of State before the speaker I think.

AznSAE 11-04-2004 07:36 PM

arnold is out. he can't be vp or president unless changes are made.

the Vice President must satisfy the same constitutional qualifications as the President; that is, the Vice President must be a natural-born citizen of the United States, at least thirty-five years of age, and a resident of the United States for 14 years.

presidential successions:

1. Vice President
2. Speaker of the House of Representatives
3. President pro tempore of the Senate
4. Secretary of State
5. Secretary of the Treasury
6. Secretary of Defense
7. Attorney General

mrblonde 11-04-2004 08:40 PM

Take THAT, Al Haig.

cash78mere 11-04-2004 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
When separated from his evil wife he moved in with his good friend Koeppel and his gay partner.
-Rudey

and what facts do you have that make his wife so evil? i thought the rule on GC was to not give an opinion unless you have facts written to back it up.


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