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AXEAM 10-14-2004 11:42 PM

Are the Miami Hurricanes the best college football team ever?
 
In my opinion the answer is hell yeah!!! I've never seen a college football display the heart year in and year out like these guys. With so many guys leaving early for the NFL draft these guys continue to be a force..... simply amazing.

Kevin 10-16-2004 12:21 AM

Uh.. you were playing Louisville.

And if your Mr. Heisman's pass thrown right to the frickin' chest of their corner had been intercepted, you'd be crying about how far your team has fallen.

steelepike 10-16-2004 01:47 AM

NO
ever would be one of the early days' Notre Dame teams.


or college program still Notre Dame or Oklahoma though Tennessee has one of the best records in the last 75 years

but if you were to say the last 25 years you have a point

This year my money is actually on Oklahoma though i could give the title to Auburn easily

and beware of Virginia at home who i am seriously thinking of putting money on to beat Miami.

PhiPsiRuss 10-16-2004 01:12 PM

Didn't the University of Miami almost drop their football program in the 1970s because they were so bad? That seems to disqualify them as da best teem evar.

cashmoney 10-16-2004 05:38 PM

Other than FSU, who does Miami play thats worth a damn? They played UF a couple times recently and won both games...but it's not a consecutive match up year in and year out.

PhiPsiRuss 10-16-2004 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by cashmoney
Other than FSU, who does Miami play thats worth a damn? They played UF a couple times recently and won both games...but it's not a consecutive match up year in and year out.
They play Virginia Tech.

steelepike 10-16-2004 08:59 PM

I think they play Virginia, but i am not sure.

PhiPsiRuss 10-16-2004 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by steelepike
I think they play Virginia, but i am not sure.
Virginia is in the ACC. Until this season, they rarely, if ever, played them. Miami and Virginia Tech have been in the Big East, so they have played every year for many years. This year, they are now both in the ACC. This season, Miami will play both Virginia and Virginia Tech.

http://hurricanesports.collegesports...tbl-sched.html

DigitalAngel126 10-16-2004 10:09 PM

AXEAM: To answer your question, "Yes".

(Disclaimer - - I don't think there is ONE best team EVER, but I think of the best teams, Miami is right up there). Go 'Canes!

AXEAM 10-16-2004 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by steelepike
NO
ever would be one of the early days' Notre Dame teams.


or college program still Notre Dame or Oklahoma though Tennessee has one of the best records in the last 75 years

but if you were to say the last 25 years you have a point

This year my money is actually on Oklahoma though i could give the title to Auburn easily

and beware of Virginia at home who i am seriously thinking of putting money on to beat Miami.

I believe Florida State will take care of Virginia, if I were you I wouldn't throw my money away and thats what you would be doing by betting against the CANES.

AXEAM 10-16-2004 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by cashmoney
Other than FSU, who does Miami play thats worth a damn? They played UF a couple times recently and won both games...but it's not a consecutive match up year in and year out.
You don't win (5) National Championships by not playing good teams if you look @ the teams that the CANES have played and defeated in the past 20yrs that list would be the best CFB programs in the nation.

AXEAM 10-17-2004 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Didn't the University of Miami almost drop their football program in the 1970s because they were so bad? That seems to disqualify them as da best teem evar.
Wrong!!! but I do believe their (5) National Championships in 20 yrs would qualify them, the fact that Miami rose from cellar dwellers in the 70's to become the best team of the 80s and the 90s and so far the 2000s is a testimony to their greatness.

AXEAM 10-17-2004 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Uh.. you were playing Louisville.

And if your Mr. Heisman's pass thrown right to the frickin' chest of their corner had been intercepted, you'd be crying about how far your team has fallen.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts everyday would be Xmas, bottom line Miami showed the heart of a lion and came back to win the game just like great teams always do.....oh and Louisville was the #19 team in the Nation.

AUDeltaGam 10-17-2004 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by steelepike
This year my money is actually on Oklahoma though i could give the title to Auburn easily

:D

Kevin 10-17-2004 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts everyday would be Xmas, bottom line Miami showed the heart of a lion and came back to win the game just like great teams always do.....oh and Louisville was the #19 team in the Nation.
Idaho State did the same thing against Tulsa.

So what's your point exactly?

They were still nearly pummelled by a Mid-Major team. They may be good, they may have played with heart. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that they're the best in the USA.

DeltAlum 10-18-2004 02:52 PM

This is one of those questions for which there really is no answer. There have been numerous dynasties in the past including schools like UCLA, Southern Cal, Michigan, Penn State, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama and lots of others.

It doesn't just come down to number of wins.

I would agree on one thing -- that Notre Dame is probably the over all most storied team in college football history.

AXEAM 10-18-2004 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
This is one of those questions for which there really is no answer. There have been numerous dynasties in the past including schools like UCLA, Southern Cal, Michigan, Penn State, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama and lots of others.

It doesn't just come down to number of wins.

I would agree on one thing -- that Notre Dame is probably the over all most storied team in college football history.

Because of the social climate during ND's early years I must respectfully disagree w/you in other words the playing field was not a level one.

The CANES are the #2 team in the nation this week, looks like another National Championship year.

Kevin 10-18-2004 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
Because of the social climate during ND's early years I must respectfully disagree w/you in other words the playing field was not a level one.

The CANES are the #2 team in the nation this week, looks like another National Championship year.

In the early years of football, things were very different from what they are today. Heck, in the Bud Wilkinson era of OU football, the OU Touchdown Club would pay HUGE signing bonuses to recruits right out of HS -- it was better money than the pros were paying if they'd play for OU. The social climate was just different though.

And as far as being the #2 team in the country.. it's a long season. Miami's SOS will catch up with them. IF OU beats Okie State and A&M, they'll come out on top.

If not, I think it'd be hilarious for OU to back into a "championship" game a la USC in the Fiesta Bowl against someone like an undefeated Utah.

DeltAlum 10-19-2004 11:21 AM

Re: Are the Miami Hurricanes the best college football team ever?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
In my opinion the answer is hell yeah!!! I've never seen a college football display the heart year in and year out like these guys. With so many guys leaving early for the NFL draft these guys continue to be a force..... simply amazing.
I would argue that your comment above about so many guys going to the NFL early would help disqualify Miami from the "best" bracket in college football.

There are teams who have been recent national champions who actually graduate some of their star players. The talk about "student" athletes should have some meaning. If not, let's just drop the charade, pay college football players, and make the BCS a farm organization for the NFL.

And "ever" is a pretty long time. When you consider "ever" you can compare Miami's five national championships to Oklahoma and Ohio State's seven each. I don't have time to do a search, but I'll bet there are schools with even more than that.

No, taking nothing away from this year's Miami team, I just can't buy the idea that Miami is the best football power "ever." You might make an argument for the best overall program over the past twenty years -- but not "ever."

ETA -- it actually appears that Notre Dame has won eleven national football championships. Michigan has won eight. Alabama won six under Bear Bryant. That's if I counted them all correctly.

Check this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Di...ball_champions

steelepike 10-20-2004 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum

And "ever" is a pretty long time. When you consider "ever" you can compare Miami's five national championships to Oklahoma and Ohio State's seven each. I don't have time to do a search, but I'll bet there are schools with even more than that.

ETA -- it actually appears that Notre Dame has won eleven national football championships. Michigan has won eight. Alabama won six under Bear Bryant. That's if I counted them all correctly.

Check this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Di...ball_champions

Shoot check out Yale's early day Dynasty. They won like 15 times.

AXEAM 10-23-2004 11:42 PM

CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WIN....stupid mistakes and all.

Munchkin03 10-24-2004 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum

There are teams who have been recent national champions who actually graduate some of their star players. The talk about "student" athletes should have some meaning. If not, let's just drop the charade, pay college football players, and make the BCS a farm organization for the NFL.

Yeah...what happened to actually graduating from college? :(

PhiPsiRuss 10-24-2004 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by Munchkin03
Yeah...what happened to actually graduating from college? :(
If you were a junior in college, and several million dollars were being waived in your face, would you stick around for your senior year?

KSigkid 10-24-2004 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
If you were a junior in college, and several million dollars were being waived in your face, would you stick around for your senior year?
True...I'm not sure any one of us are able to say what we would do in that situation.

Best college football team ever? I don't think so...but I'm not sure it's a question with one answer.

DeltaSigStan 10-30-2004 10:42 PM

bump

The1calledTKE 10-30-2004 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
bump
lol Yah.

They beat those FSU wimps but lose to the UNC powerhouse. :p

Kevin 10-30-2004 11:00 PM

If Miami is the best ever, what is UNC? :D

DeltAlum 10-31-2004 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
If you were a junior in college, and several million dollars were being waived in your face, would you stick around for your senior year?
Well, some do. How about Jason White?

Some people actually expect to graduate -- or at least play out their eligibility. I suppose it depends on who and how you recruit.

Granted that you could sustain a career ending injury in your senior year -- but I think it would be safe to say that most athletes do feel some committment to their university.

Finally, I suppose today's game puts a bit of a damper on this year's Miami team being the best ever.

AXEAM 10-31-2004 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Well, some do. How about Jason White?

Some people actually expect to graduate -- or at least play out their eligibility. I suppose it depends on who and how you recruit.

Granted that you could sustain a career ending injury in your senior year -- but I think it would be safe to say that most athletes do feel some committment to their university.

Finally, I suppose today's game puts a bit of a damper on this year's Miami team being the best ever.

It was a bad night for the CANES but I still think they are the best college team ever North Carolina joins a list of underdog teams that managed to upset the CANES. Now about graduation many CANES players leave early for the NFL but continue their studies and do graduate from College so your point is not valid, besides Jason White stayed in college b/c he would have plenty of problems on the professional level. Ken Dorsey stayed @ Miami for the same reasons ,Jason White will be another Tim Couch.

Kevin 10-31-2004 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
It was a bad night for the CANES but I still think they are the best college team ever North Carolina joins a list of underdog teams that managed to upset the CANES. Now about graduation many CANES players leave early for the NFL but continue their studies and do graduate from College so your point is not valid, besides Jason White stayed in college b/c he would have plenty of problems on the professional level. Ken Dorsey stayed @ Miami for the same reasons ,Jason White will be another Tim Couch.
So right now... at this moment... they're the best team "ever":rolleyes:

You'd take the current Miami team versus.. say Nebraska from '95?

AXEAM 11-01-2004 03:56 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
So right now... at this moment... they're the best team "ever":rolleyes:

You'd take the current Miami team versus.. say Nebraska from '95?


I'm talking about over all college football programs ever....the fact that you had to go way back to 95 to find a great Nebraska team proves my point.

wreckingcrew 11-01-2004 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
I'm talking about over all college football programs ever....the fact that you had to go way back to 95 to find a great Nebraska team proves my point.
WTF are you smoking? He DISPROVES your point by going back to 95 to find a great Nebraska team. You said the sentence previous, OVER ALL(sic) programs.

Miami hasn't won the whole enchilada since 2001. Before that you have to go back to 1991 to find a "great" Miami team. So, that gives you 4 championships in the 80's(counting 91) none before 1983. Y'all had a good decade. Nebraska was winning championships in the 70's as well. Before y'all burst on the scene in 80, y'all hadn't been in a bowl game since 1967. Nebraska, on the other hand, was in a bowl game EVERY year in that span from 1969 on. While Miami has RECENTLY become a powerhouse, the prolonged year in and year out success of teams like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Michigan, Bama, USC etc is what a GREATEST OVERALL COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM would be defined as.

We could also go on overall won-loss record or winning percentage, both of which OU and NU has the "u" beat.

http://www.nationalchamps.net

KS 361

AXEAM 11-01-2004 04:53 AM

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Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
WTF are you smoking? He DISPROVES your point by going back to 95 to find a great Nebraska team. You said the sentence previous, OVER ALL(sic) programs.

Miami hasn't won the whole enchilada since 2001. Before that you have to go back to 1991 to find a "great" Miami team. So, that gives you 4 championships in the 80's(counting 91) none before 1983. Y'all had a good decade. Nebraska was winning championships in the 70's as well. Before y'all burst on the scene in 80, y'all hadn't been in a bowl game since 1967. Nebraska, on the other hand, was in a bowl game EVERY year in that span from 1969 on. While Miami has RECENTLY become a powerhouse, the prolonged year in and year out success of teams like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Michigan, Bama, USC etc is what a GREATEST OVERALL COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM would be defined as.

We could also go on overall won-loss record or winning percentage, both of which OU and NU has the "u" beat.

http://www.nationalchamps.net

KS 361


First of all I'm not smoking anything, now as far as recent great MIAMI teams there was the 2000, 2001 and even w/ a N.C lost the 2002 team in the last 20yrs the CANES have won and played in more National Championship games then any other team.

KSig RC 11-01-2004 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
First of all I'm not smoking anything, now as far as recent great MIAMI teams there was the 2000, 2001 and even w/ a N.C lost the 2002 team in the last 20yrs the CANES have won and played in more National Championship games then any other team.

UNC IS THE GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAM ON EARTH AND THEY PROVED IT BY BEATING THE BEST - BEAT THE BEST, BECOME THE BEST, AM I RITE

Kevin 11-01-2004 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
First of all I'm not smoking anything, now as far as recent great MIAMI teams there was the 2000, 2001 and even w/ a N.C lost the 2002 team in the last 20yrs the CANES have won and played in more National Championship games then any other team.
Best of the last 20 years? Maybe. You've got some stiff competition for that. Nebraska until recently has been pretty good. So has FSU.

Best of "All time?" -- now you're only claiming the last 20 years. Which is it?

Dude, please learn to put together a cogent argument and then actually respond to criticisms made on it without shifting the scope.

AXEAM 11-01-2004 06:18 PM

Actually I feel that CFB didn't have a level playing field until the early eighties b/c of the social climate, I respect the Nebraska,OU and ND teams of the 40s-70s but none of these teams could compare to the teams of the 80s until the present. Therefore I base my claim on the era when no one was excluded from certain positions and a player's talent was the only criteria of him being allowed or not allowed to play.

AXEAM 11-01-2004 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Best of the last 20 years? Maybe. You've got some stiff competition for that. Nebraska until recently has been pretty good. So has FSU.

Best of "All time?" -- now you're only claiming the last 20 years. Which is it?

Dude, please learn to put together a cogent argument and then actually respond to criticisms made on it without shifting the scope.


I'm practicing for a career in politics.

cashmoney 11-01-2004 07:24 PM

It was a horrible weekend for EVERY Florida football team. UF,FSU,UM and the Jaguars all lost this past weekend. :o

Kevin 11-01-2004 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
Actually I feel that CFB didn't have a level playing field until the early eighties b/c of the social climate, I respect the Nebraska,OU and ND teams of the 40s-70s but none of these teams could compare to the teams of the 80s until the present. Therefore I base my claim on the era when no one was excluded from certain positions and a player's talent was the only criteria of him being allowed or not allowed to play.
Are you talking about race?

The last all-white team to win a national championship was '69 -- Texas (a fact that I love to bring up to anyone who follows UT).

It was actually OU and Barry Switzer that started to really recruit non-white athletes which pretty much forced everyone else to open their doors. Hence the OU championships throughout the 70's.

I think if you throw everything out there but the last 20 years though, you're right. Miami has a good case for having the best recent history of football where championships are concerned. Good luck on #2 for the decade in the 2006 NC. Looks like the U is out of the picture again for this year ;)

cashmoney 11-02-2004 10:36 AM

Miami lost last night.....I think it's the curse of the red soxs winning.


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