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Kimmie1913 10-14-2004 10:31 AM

Republicans for Kerry
 
Have any of you seen this site?

Republicans for Kerry

AXEAM 10-14-2004 09:57 PM

Now thats rather interesting, maybe these are the smart Republicans.

preciousjeni 10-14-2004 10:00 PM

First, we do not live in a democracy...I wish people would just stop with that.

Second, the first thought I had when I read this was the issues I've had with ex-boythings who didn't want to attach "labels" to the relationship. Why call yourself Republican and vote Democratic. Why not just call yourself Independent and vote for the best candidate?

mccoyred 10-16-2004 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
First, we do not live in a democracy...I wish people would just stop with that.
COSIGN!!

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Originally posted by preciousjeni

Why call yourself Republican and vote Democratic. Why not just call yourself Independent and vote for the best candidate?

When I registered to vote at 18 years old, I registered INDEPENDENT and have been ever since. It makes life sooooo much easier.

ladygreek 10-16-2004 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by preciousjeni
First, we do not live in a democracy...I wish people would just stop with that.

Second, the first thought I had when I read this was the issues I've had with ex-boythings who didn't want to attach "labels" to the relationship. Why call yourself Republican and vote Democratic. Why not just call yourself Independent and vote for the best candidate?

Or why not call yourself a Republican (because of your overall ideologies) and vote for the best candidate.

tunatartare 10-16-2004 08:25 PM

When I registered to vote, I registered Democrat so I could vote in the primary, but when I voted for mayor, I voted Republican. Just because you register with a party it doesn't mean that you have to vote for that party all the time. That's part of being in a democracy, being able to make a choice.

preciousjeni 10-16-2004 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by ladygreek
Or why not call yourself a Republican (because of your overall ideologies) and vote for the best candidate.
:p LOL! The article was a group of Republicans saying "Look at us...we're 'Republicans' and we're voting for Kerry." I'm not sure I fully grasp why they have to be Republicans voting for Kerry rather than citizens voting for Kerry. If your political ideology is so strongly Republican that you would register as a Republican, what would then possess you to vote Democrat?

I think my biggest problem is that my first thought at seeing the site was "this is a ploy by Democrats to try to sway some wavering Republicans."

Disclaimer: I'm neither Republican nor Democrat.

SKEEphistAKAte 10-17-2004 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
my first thought at seeing the site was "this is a ploy by Democrats to try to sway some wavering Republicans."

I thought the same thing.
I'm a democrat writing in Bill Maher on my ballot.

msn4med1975 10-17-2004 02:49 PM

No matter how much Kerry may be fuzzy for me on some things my main desire is to get Bush out of office. As there is no "anyone but Bush" category nor will me writing in a third candidate mount any serious opposition to eliminating Bush, I had to go with the person who stands the best chance of sending that idiot BACK to Texas to explain to them why the country has not gotten better under his watch. I don't think this article is any more different than Bush's "adopted home" newspaper giving their support to Kerry because (and this is a lose quote) "the President lied to us four years ago and we do not want to give him four more years to lie to us" essentially. Of course everyone is free to vote how they wish but I want both Bush men to be one term presidents lol.

preciousjeni 10-17-2004 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by KLPDaisy
That's part of being in a democracy
Boo! :(

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Originally posted by msn4med1975
...nor will me writing in a third candidate mount any serious opposition to eliminating Bush...
I truly hope that one day people will begin to believe in the "serious opposition" third party candidate could provide if we only gave them a chance!

VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

msn4med1975 10-17-2004 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
Boo! :(


I truly hope that one day people will begin to believe in the "serious opposition" third party candidate could provide if we only gave them a chance!

VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

But we aren't there YET and honestly, most of the third party candidates (major ones anyway) have been clowns as of late. It's one thing to put up someone of let's say Colin Powell's stature as a third party candidate but seriously thinking we'd turn over the country to Alan Keyes or Ross Perot or Nader just ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

SKEEphistAKAte 10-17-2004 06:27 PM

msn- I agree with you about 3d party candidates. I was kidding about writing in Bill Maher- but he is awesome I wish he was on the ballot.
I am going to vote for Kerry of course because he is the only person who has a good chance of beating dubya, anyone else would just split the vote. I don't really see any way around it, though. I don't think that a 3d party candidate will ever win a presidential election. People are too party dedicated. Like I think that most of the people voting for Bush are only doing so because he is a republican, not because of his track record.

BLUTANG 10-17-2004 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by mccoyred
When I registered to vote at 18 years old, I registered INDEPENDENT and have been ever since. It makes life sooooo much easier.
ditto!

msn4med1975 10-17-2004 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by SKEEphistAKAte
msn- I agree with you about 3d party candidates. I was kidding about writing in Bill Maher- but he is awesome I wish he was on the ballot.
I am going to vote for Kerry of course because he is the only person who has a good chance of beating dubya, anyone else would just split the vote. I don't really see any way around it, though. I don't think that a 3d party candidate will ever win a presidential election. People are too party dedicated. Like I think that most of the people voting for Bush are only doing so because he is a republican, not because of his track record.

You're right about W to a degree. Some folks actually think he's a GOOD president just because he didn't have any public indiscretions during his tenure in office. Someone actually told me they'd rather have an idiot as opposed to a liar/adulterer and I shook my head and thought is getting a little head really tantamount to killing 1000 of our soldiers, lying about the weapons of mass destruction, sounding like a complete idiot every time they open their mouth and having us so economically distraught it's almost like Reaganomics were back in effect?

As for third parties, with the right candidate they MIGHT win an election but it's going to have to be someone universally loved, trusted and respected. Thus far no one stands out.

ladygreek 10-18-2004 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by BLUTANG
ditto!
But with the now Independence Party, even registering as an Independent has become confusing to some. And can you vote in primaries?

I am registered as a Democrat because of the social ideologies, we share. But when it comes to the general election, I vote for the candidate--not the party.

So like others have said, I am not blinded by Kerry, but I feel he has the best chance to re-defeat Bush. And make it stick this time!

Conskeeted7 10-18-2004 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by ladygreek

But when it comes to the general election, I vote for the candidate--not the party.

I think that is what people should do. It is unfortunate that so many people hold an allegiance to one party and will overlook a quality candidate from another.

People need to vote on issues, not parties.

treblk 10-18-2004 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Conskeeted7
I think that is what people should do. It is unfortunate that so many people hold an allegiance to one party and will overlook a quality candidate from another.

People need to vote on issues, not parties.

I so agree with you and Ladygreek. It is and will always be about the issues, not the party.

BLUTANG 10-18-2004 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by ladygreek
But with the now Independence Party, even registering as an Independent has become confusing to some. And can you vote in primaries?
unfortunately, i cannot vote in primaries - only the general elections...

Kimmie1913 10-18-2004 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
:p LOL! The article was a group of Republicans saying "Look at us...we're 'Republicans' and we're voting for Kerry." I'm not sure I fully grasp why they have to be Republicans voting for Kerry rather than citizens voting for Kerry. If your political ideology is so strongly Republican that you would register as a Republican, what would then possess you to vote Democrat?

I think my biggest problem is that my first thought at seeing the site was "this is a ploy by Democrats to try to sway some wavering Republicans."

Disclaimer: I'm neither Republican nor Democrat.

Based on some of the editorials, it seems as though what they are saying is they are voting against GW because they do not believe he represents the ideals of hte republican party and therefore they will not support him for another term.

I work with my state legislature and the best politicians republican and democrat always tell me that people who are married to party lines are fools and too often let that force them to make bad policy. Unfortunately they are all called to do so on certain issues but they all believe that when the debate focuses on the issues and the ideology then better law is written. We are in a two party system and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging you ideals run with one or the other. Only those registered with a party are permitted to vote in certain elections (the primary for example) As long as you use your mind to analyze the candidates and make your own best choice, that is how it is supposed to work. Blindly voting for someone for any reason (party affiliation, race, gender, etc.) is pretty foolish to me.

Love_Spell_6 10-19-2004 10:03 AM

Democrats for Bush
 
Here is a group with the same premise...
www.Democrats4Bush.com



Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmie1913
Blindly voting for someone for any reason (party affiliation, race, gender, etc.) is pretty foolish to me.
This I definitely agree with. As someone who voted for Al Gore in 2000, I am so glad I broke from blindly following a party that is so far from my core beliefs and that is the only "acceptable" party in the black community to vote for. I think it goes beyone voting issues..I think people should also pray about who to vote for and examine their own morals and character when selecting a President. I think who you vote for reflects greatly on the values you hold near and dear to your heart.

Kimmie1913 10-19-2004 01:43 PM

Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
[B]Here is a group with the same premise...
www.Democrats4Bush.com

This I definitely agree with. As someone who voted for Al Gore in 2000, I am so glad I broke from blindly following a party that is so far from my core beliefs and that is the only "acceptable" party in the black community to vote for. I think it goes beyone voting issues..I think people should also pray about who to vote for and examine their own morals and character when selecting a President. I think who you vote for reflects greatly on the values you hold near and dear to your heart.


I would say I almost agree with that except I do not believe that any president or candidate has ever shown the American people who they really are or what their beliefs or morals really are. This is politics and they are all out to win an election and all to some extent do that by any means necessary. Living in the Washington area and knowing some of the moves not in the public eye that the President and his Administration has made would make many rethink their estimation of his values and morals. I think some of it would give you pause. Does that mean you should not vote for him as President? No. But if we want to make the selection of our leader about morals we need to be looking at a whole other kind of information about them than what we currently get as surface lip service into what they say that they believe. Some actions speak way louder than words. I think that same thing could be said about each President and candidate.

Love_Spell_6 10-19-2004 02:32 PM

Re: Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmie1913
But if we want to make the selection of our leader about morals we need to be looking at a whole other kind of information about them than what we currently get as surface lip service into what they say that they believe. Some actions speak way louder than words. I think that same thing could be said about each President and candidate.
Maybe I didnt articulate what I meant well enough..but I'm saying to examine oneself and look at your own morals..and then line them up with what the candidate DOES. Of course we don't know the candidates personally...and one doesnt have to live in Washington DC to know there are shady dealings on BOTH sides of the aisle...but some things are very CLEAR.
The candidate that is against abortion, gay marriage, and isn't afraid to admit he prays for fear of backlash is Dubya...and those issues trump a lot of other issuses for many.

AXEAM 10-20-2004 11:37 PM

Re: Re: Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Maybe I didnt articulate what I meant well enough..but I'm saying to examine oneself and look at your own morals..and then line them up with what the candidate DOES. Of course we don't know the candidates personally...and one doesnt have to live in Washington DC to know there are shady dealings on BOTH sides of the aisle...but some things are very CLEAR.
The candidate that is against abortion, gay marriage, and isn't afraid to admit he prays for fear of backlash is Dubya...and those issues trump a lot of other issuses for many.

Osama Bin-Laden prays (5)x a day doesn't believe in gay marriages, abortions, using four letter words or sex before marriage does that means b/c of his high moral values he's a good guy?

ladygreek 10-21-2004 04:49 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
Osama Bin-Laden prays (5)x a day doesn't believe in gay marriages, abortions, using four letter words or sex before marriage does that means b/c of his high moral values he's a good guy?
Touche'

WenD08 10-22-2004 02:32 PM

first we saw Republicans for Kerry...
 
now comes Bush Relatives for Kerry. to disagree so publicly is very interesting..:eek:
check it out: www.bushrelativesforkerry.com

ladygreek 10-22-2004 03:12 PM

Re: first we saw Republicans for Kerry...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by WenD08
now comes Bush Relatives for Kerry. to disagree so publicly is very interesting..:eek:
check it out: www.bushrelativesforkerry.com

I think their quote"Because blood is thinner than oil!" says it all. :D

Munchkin03 10-22-2004 07:00 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
Osama Bin-Laden prays (5)x a day doesn't believe in gay marriages, abortions, using four letter words or sex before marriage does that means b/c of his high moral values he's a good guy?
Love it!

I just want a President that I know is smarter than I am. My 4-year old nephew's got better word power than Dubya.

Love_Spell_6 10-25-2004 11:07 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
Osama Bin-Laden prays (5)x a day doesn't believe in gay marriages, abortions, using four letter words or sex before marriage does that means b/c of his high moral values he's a good guy?
I would respond with something factual...if i thought there were open minds regarding this issue in this forum...NOT!

mccoyred 10-25-2004 01:30 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Soror, I really would like to hear a response to this...


Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
I would respond with something factual...if i thought there were open minds regarding this issue in this forum...NOT!

WenD08 10-25-2004 05:11 PM

so, how would Yasser Arafat know who Osama bin Laden would support? is that on a website or in a newspaper article?
i missed that quote...

AXEAM 10-25-2004 09:56 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Democrats for Bush
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
I would respond with something factual...if i thought there were open minds regarding this issue in this forum...NOT!
I find this amazing coming from someone who states that Bin-Laden would vote for Kerry I hope whatever factual response you may have isn't as asinine as that Bin-Laden/Kerry statement.

msn4med1975 10-26-2004 10:08 PM

Bin Laden can't vote for Bush, he's contributed too much to his campaign and his presidency to actually take a step further and VOTE for the man. It would be too OBVIOUS.


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