FSU Recruitment Stats
 

Total Number Registered 1162
Total Number Matched 781
Total Number Matched as Quota Additions 19
Total Number of Snap Bids Accepted 1
Total Number of Unmatched SIP/DIP 8

Total Number of Withdraws and Releases 373
Total Number Released by all Sororities 30
Total Number of Withdraws During the Week 343
Total Number of Pref Day Withdraws 56
NO Show on Bid Day/Declined Bid 25

Fall 2004 Panhellenic Total 135
Fall 2004 Quota 58


12 chapters made quota or quota plus
2 chapters missed quota.
6 chapters are eligible to COB to quota or total

Stats by day of event:

Registered for Recruitment 1162
Withdrew from Ice Waters 47
Released After Ice Waters 2

Issued Philanthropy Day Invites 1113
Withdrew at Phil. Invites 19
Withdrew after Phil. Day 1 Events 10

Attended Phil. Day 2 Events 1084
Withdrew at Phil. Day 2 Events 9
Released After Phil. Events 7

Issued Skit Day Invites 1068
Withdrew at Skit Day Invites 75

Attended Skit Events 993
Withdrew at Skit Invites 127
Released After Skit Events 21

Attended Pref Events 845
Withdrew at Pref Events 56

Signed MRAAs Binding Agreement 789

Issued Bids 781

thanks barb!
 

i am impressed with your stats!

Fraternity Stats For FSU
 

Fraternity rush concluded Saturday night. early returns include Phi Delta Theta 42; Pi Kappa Alpha 52; Sigma Phi Epsilon 43; Phi Kappa Tau 45; seventeen more fraternities yet to report.

Re: Fraternity Stats For FSU
 

THanks, Firehouse.

I had heard that some of the groups not in the new housing were negatively impacted by it during Fraternity Rush this year. Basically, the PNMs thought that 'everyone' was out at Heritage Grove and didn't realize that several groups were still on-campus. Your thoughts??

Impressive despite the goings-on in Florida. Have you seen much impact from the weather?

Not so much here. We had a lot of rain and some wind from Frances. Ivan originally was set to hit us pretty hard, but now it's tracking far west. Tomorrow and Thursday should just be rainy, but not much else.

UWF might get some nasty weather, so send good throughts out to Pensacola!!

Re: Re: Fraternity Stats For FSU
 

That might be the case. We pledged 9 men.

Re: Negative Impact on College Avenue Fraternities
 

I don't think so, but we still have to see how the numbers shake out. ATO is still rushing out of their old house and I imagine the'll do well. Russell, since Phi Kappa Psi moved out of that gorgeous old mansion I don't know where they're located. Sigma Chi will probably do well. I did hear that KA was having problems with numbers, but that Pi Kappa Phi did well, and that Delta Tau Delta did especially well in rush.
Right now, there seems to be a basic division beween Heritage Grove fraternities and "College Avenue" fraternities. If all get good pledge classes then there should be no conflict. It's that way at U-Florida: there's a big fraternity row, but also lots of very good chapters are located along University and that other road that runs in front of the school (Pike, Delts; ATO, Phi Delt, etc).
Everyone here credits the Phi Kappa Taus with setting the right tone for the frist rush in Heritage Grove. They set up a professional light show; the whole entrance to the complex looked like a carnival.
This is a very good time for fraternities at FSU. The average chapter size is pretty large - probably in the 90s. Everyone should continue to do well and be strong, wherever they're located.
Of course, the sororities are amazing in every way. Old chapters, magnificently housed and lovingly watched over by generous alumni.

good for the fraternities!
 

it is so exciting to hear of the large pledge classes of the fsu fraternities, and also exciting to hear that some have moved in at heritage grove. can't wait to see the new houses when i am next in tally! way to go guys!

Which fraternities have actually moved out to Heritage Grove? Are all of the houses built and occupied?

Naturally, I'm anxious to hear how Delta Gamma did.

I worry since they have been held in limbo by the University with regard to buying their house on North Copeland.

It makes them reluctant to undertake capital improvement projects in the house if they know the school is going to exercise
their eminent domain rights and buy it out from under them.

Will the University have space in Heritage Grove for Sororities, or is that the new Fraternity Row?

Your Questions Answered
 

Heritage Grove is a development of 13 fraternity houses. They just opened a few weeks ago. Not all the houses are taken yet, and yes, a sorority could move in if they wanted to. We'd love to have them.
The University doesn't control the development, but they helped pay for the infrastructure and the parking lots are considered Student Parking. The FSU Police have a substation there.
Five of the houses are on large lots privately leased by fraternities that are building their own houses. These are: IIKA, LXA, ATO, Phi Delts and Sig Eps. These are called the "equity fraternities" because they've paid a lot of money to help pay for the infrastructure and to build their homes. Each house will cost around $3-4 million (and there was no land cost, so that's all house).
The Pikes and LXAs and Phi Delts will move into their new homes in January. ATO hasn't started construction yet, but their house is pictured on their chapter website. Sig Ep sold its old house and the brothers are living in one of the "Non-equity" houses until their new house is built.
There is much less chance now that the University will want to buy the DELTA GAMMA house. That was originally to be part of a performing arts center, but that project appears to have moved downtown and we have a new University president with different priorities. However, please know that WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE DG ON HERITAGE GROVE.
The fraternities living in the "Non-equity" houses are: Phi Kappa Tau, Kappa Sigma, FIJI, Pi Lambda Phi, TEKE and Sigma Phi Epsilon. The Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity is also in The Grove, but they don't rush during the same time and they share a house.
Theta Chi is back on campus this fall. We're hoping SAE's and Sigma Pi's return someday soon. On College Avenue, you have: Phi Sigma Kappa, Sigma Chi, Pi Kappa Phi, KA, Sigma Nu, ATO is around the corner in the old Sigma Kappa house until their house is finished. Delta Tau Delta is nearby, as is TEP. I'm not sure where Phi Kappa Psi is, but they were in a beautiful old mansion on College. Chi Phi has a nice house but it's somewhat isolated. I may have left someone out and I'm sorry if that's the case.
There are eight 'non-equity' houses, of which 6 are occupied by fraternities (Independents rent space in the others). Each house has a gorgeous, 3-story gothic stone & brick, 48-man housing section, plus a separate club house for meetings and social functions. All the houses face a beautiful green, and the houses are across from each other.
We are trying to recruit more fraternities to move out to the Grove, and we hope that there will be increased interest now that the development has opened. We are also talking to sororities about using The Grove for their spillovers. For instance, if the ADPis have 180 gorls but they only house 30-40, they can have an entire house of their own in The Grove for the balance of their members. And they can live across the green from good fraternities. It will probably take awhile for the non-equity properties to shake out, but with 40,000 students and a great Greek system it appears to be a fantastic project with enormous potential.

Firehouse, did you choose your sig because your house is the one that burned twice?
Just asking...
You didn't say how the DG's did in rush.

BTW - are you a WC poster as well? :)

Re: Your Questions Answered
 

That beautiful old mansion is a money pit and fire hazard. We are currently renting the Tri-Sigma house.

FSU's DGs always do well in rush.

Tri-Sig House
 

That's a good house and should be a good location, near the stadium. I did love the old mansion. Sorry it was a problem, but what a look.

That is a GREAT house in a perfect location. You should do well there once the renovation is done.

anchoralum
 

if you pm penguintrax she will probably be able to let you know how dg did. i hope that the university does not buy the dg house, it is such a lovely house. and i think that firehouse is a pike-remember, they used to(and may still have) a firetruck, that they used to tool around campus in?

Who bought the old Sig Ep house that was next door to DG? Where is SDT going to be?

I'm sure that information is known; I just don't know it myself. Sorry.

I believe the university is taking over that property for the Music School.

Before SFE owned the house, it was the AOP house.

That's too bad. I was hoping that the old AOPi/Sig Ep hous, and the old AZD/LXA house would stay out of university hands. That way PanHel could grow to 18 chapters without new sororities having to jump through hoops.

Good point, Russ. Same goes for the old Sigma Kappa house. I hope they hold onto it and come back.

Bot SK and SSS still own their homes and land, so I don't think there will be an issue.

Question for Penguin Trax: Glad to hear about SigKappa and Tri-Sigma properties. PanHellenic just expanded by adding a very well regarded but special-interest sorority. What are the chances of an expansion to include one or more of the general interest sororities like Sigma Kappa and Tri-Sig, especially in light of the properties? How long do they have to wait? Is there a school rule? Thanks

No rules, and Sigma Kappa was one of the two groups being considered for the recent expansion. I think that once the newest chapter on campus and the couple of chapters that are currently working on bringing up numbers are strong and thriving, I think it's entirely likely that the campus could support a 16th group. However, that's just my opinion and the final decision would be up to Panhellenic. I'd say no sooner than 2 years, though.

My concern with waiting for the struggling chapters is that one of them (I won't mention them here) has been struggling for years. Waiting for that chapter to improve would mean no further expansion. PanHel was able to look past them for the current expansion, and I hope that they do so again.

I wonder if Tri Sig and SK would come back on. Also wonder if AOPI, Alpha Phi or Alpha Xi Delta would ever consider coming back. I remember slogging through 18 ice waters as a freshman!
They've been gone for ages and although I know who some of the groups with lower numbers are, they have strong strong nationals and certainly have a long history at FSU.
Heck, the youngest of the NPC groups has been at FSU since 1960. And they are arguably one of the three strongest NPC groups around on a national level. Would hate to see them leave.

AOII had been selected to be a part of the recent expansion and withdrew from the opportunity to present. I don't know why.

It would be nice if Sigma Kappa and Tri-Sigma could re-establish a presence on campus.

As far as the (unmentioned) struggling chapter - they are working hard at turning things around and even though they were struggling, the campus still voted to expand. I believe that the group that was chosen, SDT, does not present a 'direct competition' problem with the chapter in question, and their presence on campus will bring a lot more women into Recruitment than before. These women may find a home outside SDT, thereby increasing the strength of all chapters involved. :D

The group we're talking about has struggled for decade upon decade. A new group coming in will have a different attitude, will be able to display energy and enthusiasm, and will be an attractive alternative to new prospects. I do support the addition of this new sorority.
Here's a question: the only time I've seen sororities improve from the situation we're discussing here is when women from good chapters transfer in and take over. Do the national sororities have programs to send in transfers to change the cultures and mentality of chapters that see themselves as lost?

firehouse
 

i can only speak for zta. we have no program to encourage women from strong, successful chapters to transfer to less successful ones to "show them the ropes." we do have newly graduated women called traveling leadership consultants(tlcs)
who travel all over the country visiting both successful and less successful chapters. they usually meet with all officers and chaimen and go over their duties(and their notebooks), troubleshoot if there is any troubleshooting to do, teach them new songs and cheers and just generally serve as a breath of fresh air for the chapter. they might stay a few days up to a few weeks.their term of office usually is for one year. i think all the sororities have something similar to this.