VH-1 Honors Hip Hop:
 

NEW YORK - Hip-hop's pioneers will be celebrated with a new awards show to air later this year on VH1, the network's president told The Associated Press.

Though it has recently changed its focus to pop culture and has profiled rappers such as Snoop Dogg and Tupac Shakur, VH1 has hardly been synonymous with hip-hop over the years.

But network president Christina Norman says VH1 is the perfect venue for such an awards show, which will be an annual event. "The people who grew up listening to the Sugar Hill Gang and Run-DMC," Norman said, "those are our viewers."

"VH1 Hip-Hop Honors," scheduled for Oct. 8, will honor groundbreaking artists with a show that mixes old-school and current rap performers.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...04-288284.html

I am all for giving credit when it is due but why another awards show.

I'm with you on this one. It's gon' be as bad as reality TV in a minute.

Vivica A. Fox and Mos Def will host the awards show, which pays tribute to groundbreaking hip-hop artists. Among those in the first group of honorees are the Sugar Hill Gang, KRS-One, Run DMC and Tupac Shakur.

From what the article states, I don't think it's going to be a typical awards show. I'm sure those mentioned above will be honored and other artists could possibly pay homage to the honorees. :confused:

I'll pass. Their top mc's list was enough for me to lose any interest in them covering hip hop period.

Imperial1

This is an awards show? Nuts. I thought it was going to be a retrospective.

At least Vivvy is hanging around a better class of rapper. I'd take Mos Def over Fiddy and Lil' STD any day.:p

Was that VH1, or MTV. I'm watching the 22 Greatest MC's on MTV2. How in the HELL did Nelly get on the list??? How is he above some real MC's. Again, I'm on #7. I think I'm gonna be mad. They are continuously reminding people that it was viewer's choice. Cause, this is some BS!!!

The VHI Honors comes on tomorrow night.

show them the money...
 

anybody remember when VH1 didn't know what hip-hop was?

Re: show them the money...
 

FOR REAL!

I can't wait for this show!! I had a nice time watching "And You Don't Stop... 30 Years of Hip-Hop." It was a good retrospective. The old clips were SOOOOO hilarious to watch because clothing, hairstyles, jewelry, etc. has changed so much over the years.

Re: show them the money...
 

YUP!!! Oh, I'm still mad about the 22 Greatest MC's List. Why is Em above Rakim and Nas. Why is Biggie above Rakim?

I've got some commitments and may have to miss this, but I want to see how Vivvy looks and acts. Again, Mos Def is a great improvement over Fiddy and Lil' STD.

Soror ST:

Vivvy will be "dropping it" on the show. I just saw a preview on BET and Vivvy has a few dancers and they are "working it out". :rolleyes:

She's just copying off Mo'Nique and 'nem! :D :p

I'm still watching it...but I'm LOVING IT!!! I'm sitting here crying at the Tupac tribute. Man, I love him!! He's the bomb!!!

Vivica looks a hot mess. They really didn't need a host. Well, they didn't need her there.

As for VH1. The first rap video they showed was Blondie's Rapture. I believe that VH1 started playing rap because it infiltrated there countdowns...they didn't have the choice. Also, after Viacom acquired MTV, VH1, and BET, they now have access to all these videos.

ETA: Why did Taye Diggs look like Denzel in Malcolm X with the hat and glasses combo.

ETAA: What happened to Mos Def???

I'm old as hell - what did Mos Def sing?

I thought Mos Def was supposed to be Vivvy's co-host too.

They really didn't need Vivvy there. If they really needed a host, I thought MC Lyte should have been hosting and Vivvy doing the behind stage commentary. I mean, really...MC Lyte IS apart of hip hop history.

My favorite parts were when Doug E. Fresh did the tribute to Kool Herc and DJ Hollywood and Nas' performance with his father.

The show was ok. I understand they couldn't honor EVERYONE that has influenced hip hop within 2 hours.

I loved it! Everyone looked like they were having so much fun. I wondered how they were going to honor all pioneers & so I was glad to see that they would be doing it next year. I also liked that it was not a "come and get a statue & make a speech" awards show. Rather the honorees were truly honored.

These were my favorites parts too, along with the tribute to Tupac. abaici we are >>here<< on Tupac. I didn't realize that it's been 8 years already. I'm glad to see that his mom is doing something constructive with all the money that he continues to make.

The only part of the show I didn't like, besides Vivica, was that the Beastie Boys seemed to be on the show every 5 minutes. Any picks on who they'll honor next year? My early thoughts are the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, and Biggie.

Did Mos back out after he found out who his co ho I mean cohost was going to be? Remy Martin: You should have "rocked away from that weave you was sporting. You were just a big ole' mess!
I loved PE's performance! I missed Tupac's tribute but I know it will be on again soon.

Remy's weave did look a hot mess. But then again, she always looks like a hot mess to me. And yes, it will probably be on all weekend. They played it back-to-back last night.

I didn't see it. Was it a typical awards show?

No, it wasn't. All of the presenters were influenced or were (are) a part of hip-hop. All of the honorees had a short videotaped piece which showed why they were an influential part of Hip-Hop, through either their own words or the words of other people. The show was really performance driven. There were at least 7 or 8, I think.

I missed it. :( I'm not worried because they will probably repeat it a dozen times this month.

I watched the LL Cool J show they aired a few nights ago. It brought me back to my childhood in Queens. :D

Why did she remind me of Lil' Kim?? This whole 2 toned weave is getting out of hand.

Abaici,

There was another special on VH-1 about stars who make more money in death then when they were alive. Tupac was one they featured.
After Pac died, Jada and Jasmine (Guy) told Pac's mom to hurry up and get a lawyer for his estate because people may come after his estate. Well, as we all know, that Suge Knight stole or redirected Pac's money that he made while on Death Row. He was even paying for Nate Doggs child support (I didn't know this!!!), plus paying for other items for Death Row, but none of it was going into his account. Then Pac's father came after his mother because she stated in court documents that she was his only parental unit. So she paid him $900,000 and has not heard from him since and he never had a part of Tupac's life. So she paid him off. It was a very good show!

They had a list. Run DMC was VH1's #1 Emcees. Da hell? :confused: And why do people keep worshipping pac? I am dead serious now when I say he's the most overrated rapper EVER!

Imperial1

We will just have to agree to disagree. Now, I'm not coming from the perspective of the "clear people" who jocked him. Tupac was more than just a rapper. That's why I put him on a little higher pedestal than other rappers. Like, I think it's blasphemous to compare him to Biggie. That's like comparing apples and oranges. Pac had a political consciousness that his contemporaries didn't have. Not in the Chuck D kinda way, but the way that the guy who lives down the block from you views the world. I think he brought something different to the table. When I think about the contributions and influence of Tupac, I come from an academic point of view. But, I also remember me as a teenager watching the BET Show with Tonya Hart and listening to a 19-year old 2PAC speak. I remember thinking, "Dang, I've never seen ANYONE like him before!"


***Now, I freakin' late to class!!!***

What were his contributions? I've never bought any of Tupac's albums and what I knew of him was constructed from his interviews and some of his videos. I actually would like to understand more about him and why he has become this larger than life figure. No disrespect but to me just another rapper who happened to have his life taken away from him too soon. I would like to see and understand what it is his fans see.


As for the show it is my hope that if they have another one that women will play an integral part of it and while rap is pretty much male dominated (and a LOT of times misogyistic) there were some sistas who kicked down doors.

Pac is a bit overrated. But then again, I am a Biggie fan TO DEATH! :D Pac did have a politcal consciousness like no other rapper, but TO ME it was overshadowed by all the other foolishness. I mean, when Pac was on serious tips and dropping knowledge, I loved him. However, he often flipped the script once he was in the company of Shug, Snoop, and 'nem. How you gonna drop knowledge and seem so focused, but in the next second, all you can talk about is money, murder, and sleeping with people's wives (referring to the alleged Faith Evans incident). Most of that nonsense took away my respect for him. He was tight back in the day. Signing to Death Row was the death of Pac.

I agree with this. I mean like what's the point of studying his lyrics in classes? It ain't like his stuff was hard to understand. People give him too much credit for stuff that Public Enemy, Rakim and KRS-ONE has said in a more advanced way, WAY before 2pac's time. i.e. Do yall remember that KRS-ONE joint that went like "WHOOP, WHOOP! That's the sound of the police!"

Now which one of Pac's songs are more advanced lyrically than that KRS song I just referenced?

Imperial1

I loved Nas's version of Keep Your Head Up. And there are just no words for Vivica anymore. Pac's money was also paying for Shugs car and a house.

Tupac is pretty much put on a pedistal because he was a rapper with so much talent who died early in life.

The difference is that KRS and Tupac were both politically conscience intellectuals but on two different levels.

KRS is like the professor intellectual. Higher level of thinking. How can I say this... you may be like yeah I feel this, but its unless you have that certain knowledge that his lyrics had, you couldn't REALLY feel him at his level.

Pac on the other hand just keep it straight hood. Like the high school drop out on the corner selling drugs could feel him, wereas he might not truely relate KRS because his lyrics were a bit more politically advanced.

Keep Your Head Up and Brenda's Got A Baby in my opinion are probably two of Tupac's most intellectual songs.


Someone said it best on VH-1 about Tupac and the industry... The person brings the persona to life, but the persona takes the person away.

Just my opinion

How was Pac's style of lyrics any different from what NWA, Scarface, or even Too Short(As much as I really don't too much like him.) was saying at the time? I mean he wasn't saying nothing different from all of those names. I personally think Nas is more advanced lyrically than Pac and Nas came from the hood as well.

Imperial1

But again, I'm not trying to persuade anyone to like Tupac the way that I do. I mean, I'm openly admit I'm biased. But, at the same time, I'm not unreasonable. I said, top three, not number #1 MC of all time.

Um, 'cause he was in his early 20s. Who has it all figured out then. I'm not making excuses, I'm just saying. Too me, Tupac symbolizes a lot of the young brothas in the streets who are trying to figure things out. They are trying to figure out things and make sense of the world around them, but they get caught up in the glamour of quick money and good times. A lot of them die before they have the chance to reach their full potential.

Considering his age, educational background, associations, and upbringings, Tupac developed into a very interesting individual. Tupac was an enigma. He was a rapper, a poet, an actor. I mean, when he was ten someone asked him what he wanted to be when he grew up and he said, "A revolutionary." He identified with Vincent Van Gogh, and admired A Starry Night.
Again, he was spoke about people and things that other rappers were not really touching on. Again, I did not put him in the same category as a KRS-1 or Chuck D.



**How can you compare Tupac to NWA???**

I feel you abaici. I swear 'Me Against the World' got me through college. Folks have to open their minds and see the whole person that Tupac was. I don't think he is the greatest but he is for damn sure up there. Tupac is the poster child for the conflicted rapper...the conflicted person. He was very interesting to watch. His music reflected his conflict. I still play All Eyez On Me like it came out yesterday.

Because he said nothing different then what they were saying. And I also added Scarface as well. And also you can't forget about Melle Mel and his crew when they came out with The Message. Pac wasn't saying nothing different to that either. And also add Kool G. Rap to that list because he was talking about it before a lot of these so-called hardcore rappers.

Imperial1

First off let me just say that the program was really good and Doug E Fresh ROCKED that crowd with the DJ's behind him....Kid Rock was a surprise.. CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE LET MC LYTE ROCK A STAGE...I WAS FEENIN FOR CHA CHA CHA..LOL

Secondly I get so tired of the Biggie vs 2Pac debate. I don't believe they are comparable at all. In the land of Hip Hop 2Pac is not overrated(While I wouldn't put him in my Top 5 MC category) his contribution to hip hop is invaluable. His own contridictions is what made him a star IMO. His songs offered variety that no other artist(except Nas) did during the 90's. He wasn't a one theme artist and I liked it.

Alas, an unbiased voice of reason. This is why I'm the president of your fan club!!!!

Yeah, plus he was cuter than any of those other cats. Except Nas. ;)

Just my own shallow $19.13.