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Ya'll, Zell Miller is INSANE.

How do ya'll from Georgia live with this cat? Items from his speech:

If Bush has a spine of Tempered Steel, why did he run and hide in Nebraska (after reading to elementary schoolers) on 9/11.

If hes such a fab-o commander-in-chief, where's Osama? Seriously, how hard is it to catch a 6'6" arab on dyalasis?

War on Terror? GWB has taken a sympathetic world and turned it against us.

The republicans arent partisan? Come on! Two words: Tom Delay.

Who do I trust to deal with terror? GWB if we want more. Hes not catching the terrorists, he's breeding new ones.

Glad to see that Dick Cheney could come out of his 'fradey hole' long enough to give his speech.

I consider myself to be republican. At least I used to.

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I'm not a Bush fan at all, but the reason for going to Nebraska was a joint one due to the security and communications available there.

With the situation in turmoil, nobody is going to allow a President to fly into the eye of the storm.

At least that one isn't fair.

I concur.

Bush did make public statements, etc that day and in the days after 9/11. We don't need to put our President directly in harm's way and we had no idea what else was going to happen that day. I commented at the time to some co-workers (and my mom) that I found it odd that we didn't hear one single solitary public statement from Cheney at that time. My mom said (she dislikes Bush even more than I do) "Cheney is too busy running the country to say anything". She thinks Cheney is the real head honcho and that Dubya is just a figurehead!

Dee

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I am confused Andy. I didn't see his speech but Zeller said that Bush was hiding and it's Bush's fault for not finding Osama?

-Rudey

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no, that was andy editorializing against what zeller said.

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Look at that.

Anyway, Andy it's hard to respond to every generality you've made :(

-Rudey

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Thats ok. I'm not looking for responses. Just posting my opinions on what I saw tonight...

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You need one of them special hugs.

-Rudey

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Zell was a little off the hook.

I kept thinking, "Zell, tell us what you really think."

Anyhow, if you listened to Cheney's speech, it gives the RNC position on almost all of the Kerry-favoring statements you raised.

i thought smoke was going to start coming out of zell's ears LOL...he really hurt john kerry...people can say he was mad..or he's a flip flopper..whatever..but what he said was major..

But, was anyone watching? I wish I still got "overnight" ratings daily so I could answer that question. One of the reasons the networks aren't doing full coverage of the conventions anymore is that most of the American public just don't care. That is particularly true in these days when the conventions are so highly produced and controlled.

Quick question, did Zell Miller questioned Max Cleland's patriotism once?

ETA: Or am I thinking of somebody else?

Let's not forget Zell introduced Bill Clinton at a DNC convention. Zell's views on defense are maybe more in line with Clinton's and Bush's - not Kerry.

-Rudey

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Actually these responses are pretty easy........

Whatever

-add

Probably not...but for the somewhat informed citizens..they'r definitely catching the headlines today..

Did Michael regan speak yet? wasn't it last night? i missed it and wanted to hear what he had to say...i thought there would of been buzz ont he mrning news about his speech last nigth ....but that Zany crazy zell stole the show

In Arkansas do they speak a different version of English?

-Rudey

Anyone other than RUDEy tell me if Reagan addressed the convetion last night and what he spoke about?

It's good that Bill Clinton, a Democrat, spoke English properly even though he was from Arkansas.

-Rudey
--And it was a video.

No that was Bush, Sonny Purdue and Saxby Chamblis. Miller still had democrat leanings in views then. But when Republicans won more seats than usual and won the Governor position in Georgia for the first time since the Civil war, Zell became a Republican that calls himself a Democrat. He didn't run for re-election because he probably would have gotten voted out because of his switch. Sonny and Saxby are in a low point of popularity because of Georgia's economy and Sonny not bringing back the old Georgia flag like he promised so he could get to votes to win.

OK all joking aside want to tell me why you're saying Miller is a Republican now? He is strong like defense just like Lieberman. Lieberman however is a strong Democrat and was considered the most centrist Democrat since Clinton. People say that sometimes about Lieberman. They will probably soon say it about Ed Kotch also.

-Rudey

Having lived in the state he is from and he represents I know his voting on issues has shifted from "liberal" to a conservative that leans to the left. If you look at his record as governor his views and votes on certain issues has changed. Economic policy, defense and education to name a few. Granted he was always big on defense since this is a big defense state because of the many milatary bases we have here. His stance on it has gotten tougher. Maybe 9/11 caused that. I really think because the political tide changed in the state after the 2002 election he switched his views. I don't think he will ever switch parties since he has been with the Democrats so long. But as a congressman he is consistantly one of the only or very few that vote along the republican party line. And has often voted against "democrat issues" There was a article in the AJC awhile back showing how much his voting has changed since 2002. If I can find the article online I will post it.

OK I'd like to read it. But do you understand what I'm saying about Lieberman? People had said the same stuff about him. Heck they said McCain was a Democrat. That's phooey if you look at their voting records.

-Rudey

Yes I see what you mean. People say that about them because sometimes they cross party lines on some issues. Miller crosses party line 90% of the time past the 2002 elections.

Funny since this is the man that was being considered as VP to run with Gore in the last election.

-Rudey

Yep, but he still supported Democrat policies then.

Well here's the thing though. Quite a bit of what he's supported has been supported off and on by Democrats, including Kerry. That is the frustrating part about Kerry.

Now let's say that Zell just hates Democrats now. Let's forget about how other Democrats vote and Zell's voting record. What caused him to hate Democrats?

-Rudey

All I can give you is a educated guess.
I don't think he hates Democrats or he would have switch parties. I think Zell is thinking of a politcal future. A state governement that was usually Democrats made a change in 2002. Zell goes were the politcal wind blows. He probably thinks it will get him a cabinet job if someone resigns or he can run for President in 2008 and have support from both parties. If he didn't run on a Democrat ticket he might get a vice pres offer from the GOP in 2008 just like Kerry might have tried with McCain.

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Ummm no.

-Rudey

How dare them! On the video before the President came out, they talked about 9/11. I mean we should not forget that tragic day and there are some people that admired the work of the President after 9/11, but the video is a slap in the face to most of the people who lost family members and friends.

Kerry said it was OK. He support Osama and terror according to IowaStatePhiPsi.

-Rudey

Thanks for reminding me why I don't get involved often w/ political discussions here. I don't care how passionate you get, but you took cheap shots at ME that were uncalled for. I won't argue your points because people eventually agree to disagree, but I will point out what parts of your posts were rude and make you look like a jerk:

"Bush was the Governor of my state, remember? I worked on his 1994 campaign. I have met him. (provide me an email addy and I'll send you the pict.) "

YOUR state???? If it weren't for a company relo, it would still be MY state too! You are NOT the only person who lives in Texas and definitely not the owner of it! And I worked on his campaign and met him as well. You don't corner that market either.

"So what? What is that? The third grade playground debate strategy?"

No, it is a challenge to uphold the validity of attack invoking Tom Delay.

"Remind me, when was the debate on supporting/not supporting gay marrage scheduled for? I guess I missed that."

I never said a debate was called. But the Log Cabin Republicans haven't been tossed out into the street either.

"Hell, I am impressed they have now allowed pro-choice Republicans to at least speak from the podium."

Thank you for proving the point that I made.

"Sympathetic in word only? Think back to your US History class from college (Pre-Civil War). "

The argument you could come up with is 200 years old? Not good enough, IMHO. And based on my (equally valid) opinion, these countries were not fighting for America as much as they were fighting *against* England. I think that's a big difference. That's opportunism, not true alliance or commitment.

"You are locked in that whole 'youre with us or against us' simplistic logic. "

Didn't you just tell me a second ago not to tell you how you think? Ditto here.

"Baby, I'm a 30 year old grown-ass man. "

Get something straight. I am NOT your "Baby". You may be a "30 year old grown-ass man" but when you flare up like you did in this post, it means NOTHING to this 35-year-old grown-ass woman.

And you think dedicated Republicans are extremists? Physician, heal thyself. I answered your arguments w/ valid opinions and answers, and you threw a tantrum w/ degrading comments. Take a chill pill. :mad:

I think Lifesaver is wrong totally, but I still think this chick was rude to hiim :(

-Rudey

I've loved the Convention this week. If I had someone to go with I would have gone down to the MSG area and checked out the crowds but that didn't work out. The 9/11 & after footage gave me chills....

Why didn't the major networks cover it like they did the DNC??

See that's exactly how I feel. I just don't get it. I asked DeltAlum this and it had something to do with me being in Illinois. But I don't get why NYC wouldn't.

Hey is Kaitey Tong still on tv with Mr. G?

-Rudey

You should have been here we could have gone to a bar nearby and watched it all unfold....
She's on the WB network (WPIX Channel 11) and I dunno about him...maybe he's still at WCBS. I'll see if I can find out on the station website. edited to add they are both on 11 now...
Do you remember Roz Abrahams from WABC? She's on WCBS now!

:confused:


The Last Great President, Harry S. Truman.

Was thrown into to a situatin, took care of it, period. War over. Last war Won.

I think it all depends on your state and if it is a democrat or republican stronghold. Here I everytime i flipped the channel I saw convention coverage. I watched Arnold, the Bush twins, and Miller. I think only the Bush twins made a positive impact. Make the Bush family seem more "normal".

Roz was the Black chick right? I liked Mr. G. I thought UPN was the most awful network ever. I mean people talk about Fox...wait till they see UPN. Geez. Fox always has the hottest girls on during the noontime news show...i think one hosted the third wheel or some dating show on top of that.

My colleagues brought me back pins and tshirts and posters. I've watched the speeches and stuff but I really wish I could have seen it. I have a program actually and it looks very very cool. I hear the funding for this year was through the roof. The only problem was the security was so high that you had to get on special lists for every event.

-Rudey