Democrats want to destroy Central Park
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/24/ny...24protest.html

Judge Rejects One Bid for a Central Park Protest
By DIANE CARDWELL

Published: August 24, 2004

A federal judge in Manhattan refused yesterday to force the city to allow a rally on Saturday on the Great Lawn in Central Park, after the Bloomberg administration and protest organizers failed to reach a compromise during a sudden round of weekend negotiations.

But city officials argued that since the $18.2 million restoration of the Great Lawn in the late 1990's, they have strictly limited large-scale events there with careful crowd control policies and plans to cancel events in wet weather. Without a way to guarantee a limit on the size of the crowd, an acceptable contingency plan and a bond to pay for damage, officials said, they could not agree to the rally.

-Rudey

Those people have no place in the civilized discussion of ideas. It's just become a recreation culture of its own. People that yearn for a return to the simple life of the 60's.. drugs, sex, and extremist politics.

Seriously now with all these protests, who foots the bill on cleanup and damages?

-Rudey

They need to send the bill to Soros.

I'm glad that they cannot protest on the Great Lawn in Central Park. If 75,000 to 250,00 people marched there, it would either be destroyed or at the least unusable for the rest of the summer. I don't know any New Yorkers, Democrats or Republicans, who want to see that happen.

There are plenty of alternate places for a protest rally. They will figure something out.

New Jersey sounds good to me...or in the Hudson.

-Rudey
--Not floating on the Hudson...you know?

Wow by the misleading title I thought hoosier had posted this. Just because the Democrats wanted to protest there doesn't mean they want to destroy the park. Democrats are usually known on their strong stance on environmental issues. Why do you think some people call them tree hugging liberal hippies? I am sure the protesters don't think they crowd will be to big or they would have gone elsewhere.

Listen 75,000 protestors on a grass lawn that cost almost $20 million is quite a bit. If they didn't think it was too much they would be willing to pay the bond.

I don't think this is a misleading article title at all. I didn't say the environment but specifically pointed out Central Park. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that these protesters fully understand that their gathering would do harm to the park and while they aren't out to harm the park, they are more than willing to accept that consequence.

-Rudey

Funny, I didn't notice the word "Democrats" anywhere in the linked to story.

"In denying the request, by the National Council of Arab Americans and the Answer Coalition, United States District Judge William H. Pauley III cited security concerns, the plaintiffs' delay in bringing the lawsuit, and the potential for damage from a rally of 75,000 people just two days before the start of the Republican National Convention."

If this group is "Democrats," is it also safe to say at the demonstrators at the Democratic Convention earlier were "Republicans?"

Grasping.

It is the word want really. I doubt they want to. Something like protesters could have damaged Central Park could get across the same point. I do understand what your saying and why you posted the title. One could assume because the know the possible consequences , that they want to destroy central park. I would look at it as they thought they had to take to risk of damaging central park. They should have paid the bond. Oh well.

Plus the article did not mention Democrats. The protestors could be from any party. Most the protestors at the Democrat convention were anarchist or from other splinter political groups.

It's safe to say that a large number in these groups are Democrats. The protests aren't organized by the Democrat party, but then again the title of this thread did not say Democrat party wants to destroy Central Park...does it?

-Rudey
--Keep trying

There were quite a few Republicans at the Dem convention. But then again this title wasn't Democrat party but Democrats.

As for want to...their main goal isn't to destroy the Park, I give you that. But they are willing to accept that the park will be damaged, in exchange for getting their message across. And really who will their message get across to?? Will the Republicans decide oh yeah maybe I should switch my views?

Hoosier will post something ridiculous. He will have this type of headline: Kerry shows he is unreliable with Park protests and none of that will make sense.

-Rudey

OK. It was the same group, The Answer Coalition, who organized the demonstrations at the Democratic Convention. I guess that was the Republication wing of the organization.

Whatever, the topic of the thread is misleading. Unless someone can prove that the two groups (The Answer Coalition and The National Council of Arab Americans) asking for the permit are predominately made of up Democrats and that their aim is, in fact, to destroy Central Park.

By the way, there might even be some Republicans -- maybe even a lot -- in the groups, too. Somehow I doubt that they are predominately either, though. I did notice though that the Green Party is listed as one of their supporters. I wonder what that means?

Do you have proof that they aren't in these parties?

The topic isn't misleading and again they understand fully well that they will be damaging the park, don't want to pay the bond, and still want to protest.

-Rudey

Better yet... give 'em a designated protest zone... Rikers Island! (For those not native or resident New Yorkers, it's the city jail.)

:) ;) :D

Some of us never left that lifestyle. :(

For those not native or resident New Yorkers, Rikers Island is NOT the city jail, but a city jail.

Details please.

Is it considered a part of the city or just the state? Who gets to go to sing-sing and who goes to rikers? I feel like gang bangers go to rikers and mafia people go to sing sing.

-Rudey

They have a right to protest and they should. Same for the democratic convention because that's what free speech is about.

Thanks for posting something irrelevant. Nobody cares about their right to protest. We care about their destruction of our property - property we pay for through our taxes and property we are so proud of.

-Rudey

lol you didn't have to post back, this is a message board so keep it pushing if it bothers you hon. ;)

Hopefully, no property will be destroyed and the 10,000 plus cops out there will do their job.

Holy cow, have you ever talked to Iowastatephipsi? He also says things that make people cringe. I didn't have to post back??? I was posting for you? Someone is high on themselves when I couldn't give a crap about them.

It's the job of 10,000 cops to stop people from destorying property? Wow. How about the people don't destroy property and then also post bond to insure they don't? Oh wait they wouldn't and guess what? The courts refused to allow protests in Central Park.

-Rudey
--Astounding

lol oh really? Well the best way to show that you don't give a crap is simply ignore the post, wouldn't you think? But continue on with your "rant" lol.




Um, if they are destroying property, they are disturbing the peace, duh. So yes it will be up to the cops to restore peace. Or should they just walk past a protestor who throws a trash can at the nearest store?:rolleyes:

Point blank, they need to be prepared for the worse and a riot erupting is possible. Hopefully, the protestors can make their point AND be peaceful at the same time.

I see you have issues reading. This was about protests in Central park and a legal issue over whether they were allowed to go in at this point and possibly damage the park without posting bond. The court said no. The issue is solved. Sorry but we don't need your help, and it really doesn't have a single thing to do with this issue it seems.

-Rudey
--Thanks though

Well if the issue is solved, this thread should be closed then.;)

Are you a religious person?

-Rudey

Does that have anything to do with this thread?

And I thought you said I couldn't say on topic, sheesh.

HM, DA SLAM, It Be Tha Slam!

What matter does it make?

None of them are nice.

Oh, I am not posting for any reason other than a question that was asked.

Yes, People have a right to protest unless they get violente.

OOPS, Then There is a problem!:)

10,000 COPs who are there to protect The People there for the convention.

Hm, amazing isnt it?

Wait till something is blown up, a say the "Twin Towers" = A lot of people Killed, or the Subway system and people killed.

Hm, I wonder if they fight fair or do sh*t to just kill people.

Now, that is the question, Morality!

None of your posts had anything to do with this thread but my post was specifically in regards to your totally irrelvant post that made no sense and took us off path like we were Columbus going to India.

Now are you religious?

-Rudey

So what's your excuse for going off topic in your own thread? Doese that make sense? Sounds like a follower mentality to me.;)

Now, are you going to get back on topic?

Yes I am. Thank you for not posting anything relevant to this thread and being such a wonderful asset to this website. You have failed my absolutely retarded test and are now on ignore. Enjoy it because I reserve that special place for the really reeeeeeally slow people.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ne...span-headlines

For anyone wanting to see how some Democrats and other protestors were stopped from destroying Central park.

-Rudey

Because this issue was brought before a federal judge that does that mean this was an appeal to a decision that was made earlier?

By the time the judge said no, isn't it already toolate to have an alternate plan? How much would it have cost to have a protest parade in the street, like the one used for Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, during the convention?

Thank for the link.

It's not all democrats.

Yes they also filed their claims too late on top of not wanting to post bond or be responsible for their actions.

-Rudey

Thanks for the link Rudey.

The following information comes from the article.
"Christopher Dunn, associate legal director with the New York Civil Liberties Union, said arguments about freedom of expression aside, the cost of staging the rally on the West Side Highway would be prohibitive to event organizers.

"They can't afford it," he said, referring to the $631,000 price tag for sound equipment and jumbotrons. Event organizers estimate that it would cost less than half - or $250,000 - if the rally were held in Central Park."

Here is where it get interesting. The costs involved to protest. I think it's wrong for the event organizers to expect that NYC taxpayers should pick up the tab for repairing and resodding the park after it's use. Poor planning on their part for not thinking about the extra fees involved to have something of this size. I think the crowd estimates were low in the story if the protesters did have their Cental Park location.

The New York City Police Department and Parks Department are anticipating a variety of separate events before and during the Republican National Convention. The Convention itself begins Monday, August 30th and continues through Thursday, September 2nd, however, demonstrations and other events begin on Friday, August 27th. These events and demonstrations include:

Friday, August 27th

* Christian Defense Coalition, 8:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m., prayer vigil on 7th Avenue in front of Madison Square Garden. The Coalition has also scheduled a demonstration at Church Street between Liberty and Vesey Streets, on Sunday, August 29th.

Saturday, August 28th

* Planned Parenthood, march from Camden Plaza across Brooklyn Bridge to south end of City Hall Park for a demonstration, 11:00 a.m. to 2 p.m.
* Middle East Peace Coalition, Union Square Park, Southeast Triangle, demonstration, 3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.
* Green Party, Washington Square Park, Noon to 6:00 p.m.
* American Friends Service Committee, Central Park-Cherry Hill, 10 a.m. to 8 p.m.
* Falun Gong, Park Avenue from 44th Street to 59th Street, 2 p.m. to 4 p.m.

Sunday, August 29th

* United for Peace & Justice, undetermined.
* Code Pink Women for Peace, Union Square Park * South Side, 9:00 a.m. to Noon.
* Not In Our Name, Union Square Park * North Side, 9 a.m. to 11 a.m.
* Christian Defense Coalition, Church Street between Liberty and Vesey Streets, 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m.
* Falun Gong, West Side of Park Avenue between 49th and 50th Streets, 4 p.m. to 10 p.m.
* Falun Gong, 8th Avenue and 30th Street, 6 p.m. to 11 p.m.

Monday, August 30th

* Disabled American Veterans, rally at main demonstration area, 8th Avenue and 30th Street, 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m
* NYC AIDS Housing Network and Hip Hop Summit Action Network, march and rally from 15th Street at Union Square to 8th Avenue, north to 31st Street, Noon to 6 p.m.
* NYC Atheists, 8th Avenue and 30th Street, 9 a.m. to 11 p.m.

Tuesday, August 31st

* NY Metro Area Postal Unions, main demonstration area at 8th Avenue and 30th Street, 2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.

Wednesday, September 1st

* NYC Central Labor Council, 8th Avenue and 30th Street, rally, 4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
* American Friends Service Committee, Union Square Park, 10 a.m. to 8 p.m.
* "The Line," individuals from a coalition of arts and labor organizations standing on sidewalks along Broadway from Wall Street area to West 30th Street holding "pink slips." They plan not to interfere with vehicular or pedestrian traffic, 5:00 p.m.
* National Organization of Women, rally, East Meadow, Central Park, 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
* Grassroots Coalition of Media Organizations, 52nd Street between 6th Avenue and 7th Avenue; south to 50th Street rally spot; march to 48th and 6th Avenue, 6 p.m. to 9:30 p.m.

Thursday, September 2nd

* Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Union Square Park, 7 a.m. to 9 p.m.
* Westboro Baptist Church, vicinity of 30th Street and 8th Avenue, 10:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m.
* One People's Project, Tompkins Square Park, 2 p.m. to 6 p.m.
* IAC/Answer Coalition, 30th Street and 8th Avenue, 1 p.m. to 4 p.m.



Please take note that on September 2nd , the Grassroots Coalition will be marching south to 48th & 6th Ave. from 6:00 pm - 9:30 pm. The starting point will be 52nd Street between 6th and 7th Avenues. The building will have extra perimeter guards and will be closing the entrance doors on 51st, 52nd, North Galleria and Seventh Avenue Main Door from 5:30 pm (instead of the usual 7:00 pm).



I currently have no knowledge at this time if the 52nd Street will be closed around the time of the march. I will update you as we get more info.


Please plan your trips accordingly.




That was an email forwarded to me from a co-worker. There's all types of protests going on. I'm not sure which belong to what party but there are all types of issues being represented.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITIC....coffin.ap.jpg

^

Sad - tasteless. Only in NYC, huh? Like to see liberals try that crap down here.

Buy me a plane ticket.

You can stay w/ me. There are some H-O-T-T RA boys that I supervise that I think would be grrrreat for you.