Man ordered not to give abortion advice Lawsuit Says Women Were Misled to Delay Abortions
 

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I think Mr. Graham should pay child supports for every women he misled.

hmmm. he's a retard for using a very similar sounding name, I'm surprised the clinic hasn't filed a suit based on that.

Ugh. I've worked in a crisis pregnancy center and we would never have resorted to such tactics. I understand the desire to save the life of a child but the mother needs to be loved, respected and cared for, too. There is no room for lies and deceit in compassionate counseling. There is also no need... factual information and concrete support go much further in helping a mother, father and child.

But when thinking about the young woman who got "duped" out of an abortion and is now having a baby... when we look at that baby after he or she is born... we should consider that that person is the very person that an abortion would have killed.

He misreprsented himself. Isn't that illegal??

His actions were unacceptable, unethical and (personally) I hope he rots in jail.

ETA: my original post created too much discussion not related to the topic. I apologise and hope we can move on - I didn't mean to create such a tangent. People insteaded in my knowledge of so called "crisis" centres should e-mail me, and for the record, my knowledge far exceeds the show I watched. kthxbi

He's a tax preparer not a liscensed counselor. He knew exactly what he was doing when he named his business. Jerk :mad:

Not every woman who has an abortion does so as a matter of convenience. Roe v. Wade guarantees that women should have the right to do what is best for her. That young woman's right was taken away by that quack.

Thank you! He needs his ass kicked and for him to rot in jail!

Personally I don't know why these women were taking advice from him. For one, he is not an MD. For another, unless he can get periods and get pregnant, he ain't walking a mile in my stilettos and can't say jack to me! :p

Kappaloo, I share your anger at what this man has done. But I'm skeptical that a "vast" number of crisis pregnancy centers spread "malice, guilt and deceit". I have heard rumors of questionable tactics being used, but I don't believe that vast numbers of clinics do so.

What more often goes unreported are the unethical tactics used by some abortion clinics. After all... they stand to make a profit from a woman's decision to have an abortion. Former abortionists tell of performing abortions on women who weren't even pregnant. The bottom line is the bottom line.

I'm looking forward to the media expose` about the deceit perpetuated by billion dollar abortion industry.

AXOjen apparently kappaloo saw a news program that did show these centers were misrepresenting the facts. If they were being above board then there would be no story.

I'm unfamiliar with the type of tax status of these crisis centers receive, are they non-profit? If they are when someone donates money to a non-profit institution they're allowed to take a tax deduction on their taxes. If not the patients being seen in these center by doctors and use Medicaid for payment as well as insurance are paying to those centers too. Money is being exchanged their as well. Some of these centers may not be as above board as the one you worked at. It happens.

So who gets stuck raising that baby?

kappaloo is Canadian. She's talking about a documentary that was shown on Canadian TV, and ergo, Canadian crisis pregnancy centers. It may be different than here in the US.

The issue is not whether you're for or against abortion, it's the fact that this man represented his establishment as something it was not. It would be the same deal if a clinic pushing quack remedies for cancer called itself Sloan and Kettering Cancer Center and were down the street from the real Sloan-Kettering.

What an ugly way at looking at the privilege of raising a child. If the baby's mother is unable or unwilling to raise the child there are many loving couples who would feel blessed to get "stuck raising that baby". If the mother does decide to raise her child, I agree that she should receive support from this man. Not to mention from the father of the baby.

33girl, I understand your point and agree with you completely.

Wrigley, the centers at which I worked and others with which I'm familiar are non-profits. We don't have doctors on staff... we refer the clients to a doctor, if they request and we help them get paper work in order, if need be. Any money coming in goes right back out to the clients and to the costs of running the center.

I understand that Kappaloo saw a program on television. I'm just saying that I'm waiting to see a similar program that reveals the abuses of the abortion industry. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time... and not because there is no story to be told.

Then please explain why there are so many children in foster homes, orphanages, etc.

As has been stated, this isn't really a pro choice vs. pro life debate. This man deliberately misrepresented himself. Can we maybe try to stay on topic and not have this turn out into an all out abortion battle?

There are many reasons... not all children in foster homes are available for adoption. Often times the parental rights have not been terminated. Sometimes the children are just there temporarily, while the parents get off drugs and find employment.

It breaks my heart as much as I'm sure it does yours when children are abused and neglected by anyone. But I don't draw the conclusion that it would be better off if they had never been born.

Just because I disagree with some viewpoints here doesn't mean that I'm trying to turn this into an abortion debate. I'm just sharing my opinions the same way you are sharing yours. And we do agree on one thing... that this man acted inappropriately and hopefully, illegally.

This thread is not the appropriate place to expouse your views on abortion. There are many threads on that topic, and a quick search should turn up a bunch of 'em.

Sorry if you got jumped on, but threads is this forum tend to get steered off topic quite easily instead of being interesting productive conversations.

I wonder if the women who weren't able to have abortions could sue him for damages somehow. I hope they can, and do.

This is in the states - there much be a way to sue. ;)
But seriously - but you should be able to sue for damages. He mislead/forced them into a life changing (and perhaps life threatening) event. I mean, pregnancy is not cheap, and it's not a cakewalk. If these women were forced into bringing the pregnancy to term, then they should be compensated for it.

Hey, lawsuits have been won on a lot less.

Or maybe he gets to raise the kids? ;)

LOL! In theory, that's a good idea, but I wouldn't want this freak raising any kids who will probably also grow up to be freaks. ;)

Yeah.... I was't really serious, of course.

But now that I think about it....I wonder if that possiblity were there if it would have changed his mind about misleading women in the first place....

He should be forced to wear an empathy belly 24-7 and the number of months will be determined using the following equation.

Take the number of women he misled and multiply that number by 9, for the number of months of a average pregnancy.

Nice. :rolleyes: :mad:

I hope the women who were misled can sue for damages... significant damages. There's the medical cost of prenatal care, delivery, well-baby checkups, vaccinations, etc. There's often the cost of day care, school, maybe college eventually. Then there's the opportunity cost of possibly having had to drop out of high school or college or give up a promising career. There's the physical trauma of pregnancy and childbirth, and maybe the emotional trauma of having had to bear a child that was the result of a rape. All for a child the woman had already decided she did not want to bear.

I'm a little confused, though, as to why more of these women didn't seek a second opinion at another abortion clinic.

I think the guy should pay all the medical expenses of every women he misled, then pay child supports for every women his misled.

I saw the "Jane Doe" who brought the prosecution interviewed on CNN. She was a college student, who didn't realize she was pregnant at first. When she did learn she was pregnant, she wanted an abortion "because I had engaged in 'normal' college behavior that was potentially harmful to the developing baby. It was not a good time in my life to have a baby. I was not ready for this". She went on to say he stalled her and stalled her until it was too late to exercise the option she wanted and she spent the rest of the pregnancy scared because of her previous behavior and lack of early prenatal care because of his stalling her. Her argument was that while she loved her son and thankfully he was healthy (although premature) she had her right to her decision usurped.

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Okay, so flame me now, but I just had to throw this in regarding her quote....and an abortion wouldn't be potentially harmful to the developing baby?

Yeah, yeah - I know that's not the point she was making - I just thought it to be a funny choice of words.

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