Israel to tempt hunger strikers
 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...323EDT0535.DTL

Pork-chop anyone? :D

So Mr. Terrorist says he'll kill himself through starvation if they don't do what he wants them to?

I say don't look a gift horse in the mouth. These guys starve to death and you've just solved one of Israel's larger problems ;)

^ How do you know they are ALL terrorists?

Nice of you to take me seriously there. That wasn't my intention at all.

But now that you mention it, I believe the people that are mentioned here are in jail for either actually acting in some kind of resistance capacity or supporting terrorism.

In either event, if they want to starve themselves to death, they're doing Israel a favor.

Kind of humorous though to see Palestinians attempting nonviolent methods of resistance.

Ktsnake, I was just curious is all. I thought the article said that they wanted better conditions inside the prison, and that's why they are going through with the hunger strike. They are not even doing it to get out of prison. Its a peaceful protest and a way to get the message through, as opposed to other means. It's actually not that funny!

Exactly. They get in trouble for essentially running terrorist operations from prison and for smuggling contraband out of their prisons so what happens? Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah (all terrorist organizations) organize hunger strikes.

-Rudey
--Let the animals feast on each other

Ironic then? That such violent murderers would resort to nonviolent means of trying to get their way?

I guess when you take away their bombs, that's all they can do.

Whatever they're getting right now is like a 5* hotel compared to what I'd be offering them were I in charge.

^ So you know the details of all their crimes? I didn't read all that in the article.

Here's what they're asking for (according to the Tehran Times -- is that biased enough for you?)

" Mohammed said they are also demanding the removal of separation glasses from visiting rooms, the installation of public telephones, the banning of "humiliating" body searches of stripped prisoners, and an end to punishments confining prisoners in tiny cells."

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Descripti...&Cat=4&Num=002

Meanwhile, for the terrorists on the outside, it's business as usual (from same Tehran Times article):

" The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed offshoot of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, threatened Sunday to abduct Israeli soldiers in a bid to secure the release of prisoners.

"We reiterate our call for our fighters everywhere to conduct more special operations and focus on the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers," the organisation said in a statement faxed to AFP's offices in Gaza.

Israel released around 400 Palestinian prisoners in January as part of a controversial exchange deal with the Lebanese-based Hezbollah militia, in exchange for the liberation of an abducted Israeli businessman.

Meanwhile a Palestinian was shot dead Sunday by an Israeli border policeman he had stabbed in the throat near an entrance to Jerusalem's Old City.

The border policeman was said to be in a moderate condition after the attack near Damascus Gate by a man who had already served five years in prison for another knife attack.

National police spokesman Gil Kleiman said that the officer had been attacked from behind.

"The Palestinian approached him from behind and slashed his throat," Kleiman told AFP. "The border policeman turned round, shot him with his M-16 rifle and killed the Palestinian."

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I think you're forgetting that these are murderers, killers that will stab you in the back and then go and feel that they are doing God's work. Despicable human beings.

You know what the Israeli prison system has done to try and discourage the roughly 1427 out of 8000 Palestinian prisoners from this behavior?

They've taken away their candy, cigarettes and TV time. Yeah, they sould like some vicious evil people.

What these prisoners are asking for are priviliges that not even prisoners in the US get. They're not being treated inhumanely, they're just wanting security loosened so that they can commit terrorist acts from within the prison walls.

Do you?

Let's repeat.

Certain prisoners were leading terrorist operations from jail. Certain prisoners were smuggling illegal items through their children during their visits.

Most of the prisoners in those jails were high security prisoners - meaning most likely terrorists. Most are affiliated with terror groups like Hamas, Jihad, and Fatah.

Hamas, Jihad, and Fatah (terrorist groups) called for a hunger strike. Usually members of your organization follow your calls, hence said members are terrorists part of Hamas, Fatah, and Jihad.

-Rudey

Ksnake and Rudey,

According to the article :


They are so despicable, they don't even demand to be out of jail, they want to see their families! If they want to see their families, I think there could be some measures that the Isreali government can take to monitor their interaction, but not letting them see their families at all?

Second paragraph, 1000 isrealis, 3000 palestinians? hmmm, and they don't even KNOW if these people are the ones who killed the 1000!

Crimes have always been run in the prison system, everywhere. Its no different here.

Actually we got those here too.

I read no such thing in the article. Mind posting where you got your references from?

Double post :cool:

Lady those people are in prison. These aren't Arab prisons. The so called Palestinian Authority randomly jails who it wants. They walk into hospital and jails and lop grenades at these "criminals". Political opponents and homosexuals are labelled as collaborators and shot in town squares for all to see. There are trials. Again these aren't Arab dictator prisons.

Mind posting what? Why don't you go out and look in the newspaper?????? Is that too hard for you to do? Fine The strike was organized by the main Palestinian factions — Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah.

-Rudey

Being outside of curfew can land you in prison "dear". I am going by the discussion about the article and the article says:

"In the past four years, Israeli troops have rounded up thousands of Palestinians on suspicion they were involved in attacks that have killed nearly 1,000 Israelis. Nearly 3,000 Palestinians have also died in the conflict. "




And I suppose having a cookout is the very civil thing to do? ;)


Thanks for the link though. Here's another one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3569760.stm

Israel doesn't randomly go in and pick up people and then use its small meager budget to house them and to guard them. Israel used proper intelligence and also court trials to gather these people. Again you have absolutely no idea who these people are yet you keep acting as if they might be innocent. You are not showing any evidence of it. The articles you post show nothing of it. In fact that one quote doesn't even apply only to this situation and can be for many prisons.

These people are following the orders of 3 terrorist organizations to go on a hunger strike. These terrorists who landed in prison for terrorist acts are now following the orders of terrorist organizations.

And yes it is very civil. It is civil because these animals will be convinced to eat and stay alive. Let them feed off each other, let them die, I doubt most people would care what terrorists who landed in prison because of terrorist acts and then follow the orders of terrorist organization do to each other.

And what was the point of the BBC article??? At the end of the day these terrorists want to be able to smuggle goods to their families and to run terrorist operations from jail - the reasons why those measures are in place. They don't want to be strip searched? This is new to high security prisons?? Denial of visits? Every prison in the world regulates visits from the outside and when you smuggle illegal goods why wouldn't they prevent visits for you? Access to public phones??? So they can send another terrorist to kill someone?? Improved sanitary conditions? Well I'm sure they can ask Hamas to fund Israeli prisons and they can have that.

-Rudey

From the BBC article:

Here's one of the oppressed prisoners. FIGHT ON MARWAN!

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By the way, you can really always count on European newspapers to give a fair shake to the Israelis.

Opi, why do you sympathize with these people? These are nothing more than murderers or sympathizers with murderers. Is it safe to say that you support murdering Israelis?

Actually, I didn't say they were or weren't innocent. Who knows, who cares. They are serving their time for the crimes they were suspected of. That is their punishment. The point of my post from BBC is that this is non-political. If Isreal is going to pretend to be a first world country with a constitution just like America, it can start by allowing prisoners to see their families, basic sanitation, bigger cells, etc etc to serve out their remaining years in prison. But then again, this is not a big surprise since the world already had its eye on Isreal for violating many human rights.

Rudey you can go on and call them animals and what have you. But remember, on one side of the fence is a shopping mall, while a rundown home is being demolished and kids being shot off the tops of roofs on the other side.

Ktsnake,

Sympathize with prisoners? Why would I. But don't nobody critize isreal or all of a sudden you are "anti-semitic" and "terrorist-sympathizer". I could not care less what anybody thought. There is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest.


Besides, i am not the one telling them to feed of eachother and starve to death and bla bla......I would rather discuss the merits of this claim.


And please don't ask me stupid ass questions like, do you support the murder of isrealis because i want to discuss the issue of prisoner conditions. Why would anyone support the death of another human being? Its sad that innocent people have to die from both sides because of occupation or colonization or whatever you choose to call it.

The articles posted before were non-political. Israel is a first world country but it does not have a constitution actually. And no it doesn't need to do any of those things for terrorists who are trying to destroy it were they given those rights. And the world can talk all it wants on human rights yet the right for an Israeli to live lacks importance in their eyes.

And I can remember that on the Arab side of the fence, murderers rules who have stolen from their people. I can remember that Arafat sits on top of billions he has stolen. I can remember that even the terrorist organizers have finally started to say their violent uprising was a total and utter failure. And while you're making that one side of the fence so innocent with its rundown homes and kids being shot, it should be remembered that rundown homes are used to murder Israelis and smuggle weapons while Arabs have their kids trade suicide murderer trading cards and carry bomb belts in public.

-Rudey

Right...go tell that to Syria who is occupying Lebanon. And send some angry letters to Egypt and Jordan for occupying the West Bank and Gaza - because of them no country called Palestine has ever existed since they invaded on the birth of Israel and occupied those lands.

-Rudey

First, if you're going to comment on Israel, spell it right. You loose all credibility when you pretend to be informed, and repeatedly mispell a six letter word. Second, hold other nations in that region to the same standards to which you hold Israel. If you do, you'll find that Israeli prisons seem like Disney World.

To be honest with you, I have a tendency to mispell words when its nearing the end of a work day and I haven't had lunch. People mispell simple all the time.

Second, I would talk about other nations, 'cept we're not talking about them but Israel. I'm trying to stick to the topic at hand. I hardly doubt displacing natives and shooting kids off roofs is "disney world", even if its better than what neighboring countries are doing.

Rudey,

I believe the going word these days is "occupation". Colonization is the thing of the past. Oh well.

Who is "native"? My understanding of ancient history tells me that the Israelis were displaced by invaders.

Natives= those who live/ lived in the now Israeli-occupied palestinian territory.

Palestinians were occupying the Israeli homeland before that.

See? It's more complicated than that. What exactly makes them "natives" in your mind?

They were all living in palestine (the jewish and arab palestinians) before the british screwed everyone over.

You're right. I wish the Arabs and these "Palestinians" would stop shooting Israeli children off roofs and displacing Israelis. But back to the matter at hand I like how terrorist groups who call for the destruction of Israel and its citizens are asking their terrorist members not to eat. These animals should just starve.

-Rudey

Agreed that the current situation is FUBAR. The active part of FUBAR is the BAR part (Beyond All Repair). I think there needs to be a Palestinian homeland, but I don't think it can happen as long as the "resistance" leaders like Arafat are still in control. They've said it before -- they won't be happy until Israel is destroyed and gone. I just don't think that's a realistic possibility.

Unfortunately, they're not thinking with their peoples' best interests in mind. They are only thinking about their own power and wealth. For the few in charge of Palestine, the current culture grants them both of those two things.

To succeed in "fixing" the Israel-Palestine problem, changes need to happen on both sides. Israel needs to cool it with the settlements and Palestine needs to.. I don't even know where to start with them... Like I said before, it's VERY complicated (as you well know).

There was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The area was a British mandate. On the day that this country was supposed to be created, Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied Gaza as many Arab countries attacked Israel. Jewish roots in Israel and the parts people now call the West Bank run deep.

Israel is there. An Egyptian man named Yasser Arafat who steals from "Palestinians" might not accept it and neither will those who run Hamas, Jihad, and Hizbullah but at the end of the day their prisoners can all starve to death for all I care.

-Rudey

Israel doesn't target "kids off roofs" and would have no need to "displace natives" had they not been repeatedly invaded by Arab states.

Also, Israel has been a nation under siege since their founding. No nation on Earth has ever been able to maintain an even handed extension of liberties under those circumstances. Considering their environment, they are acting in a very humane way.

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Look at Barghoutti, a convicted murderer and terrorist, who is one of the organizers of this hunger strike. Do you know what he's doing? He's eating food.

It must hurt being a terrorist and knowing your terrorist leader lies to you and makes you suffer while he fills his stomach.

-Rudey

This is the great irony of the Palestinian movement. These "leaders" live lives of relative comfort while sending young people to blow themselves up.

I still find it amazing that some still look at Yassir Arafat as a hero.

The irony extends to the rest of the leaders of the Arab world, specifically the Saudis. Gaza would make a great resort, but it needs tons of investment. Does anyone know of an Arab royal family that likes to vacation in the Mediterranian, but usually spends their money with Europeans? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Imagine if the Saudis pumped money into Gaza, and turned it into a great resort area. Poverty would evaporate, and Gaza would become peaceful.