Keyes vs. Obama
 

All the talk I'd heard on Radio America and read in the op-eds about who would replace Jack "I like public Sex" Ryan on the GOP ticket- and I dont remember anyone saying Alan Keyes.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...yes/index.html

His entry into the race sets up the first Senate contest between two black candidates in U.S. history.

After all his badmouthing about Hilary Clinton running for NY seat because wasn't a long-time resident of NY, now he is running for seat in IL and still has not bought an house there. Besides the fact he not a resident, on his last try for the Senate in his home state MD, he only got 29% of the vote ( a state that has a republican governor), so this will probably be an runaway victory for Obama

I really like Keyes. He'll lose (as usual), but he'd make an excellent public official.

Yes agreed, but it was most of us New Yorkers who felt as if she was just ocming in and had no ties. As for Keyes I think he knows his chances are low but it's not just about winning the election - it's also about highlighting certain issues, like many a Democrat has done.

-Rudey

No way, the GOP picked out a token black guy to go up against Barack.

I, of course, will be voting for Jerry Kohn.

I'm inclined to believe that too. I think the GOP thinks the seat is a loss after several established IL republicans said no. They are now using this has an opportunity to show the nation how welcoming they are so they can add something else to the Black audience other than we are the party of Lincoln

Because I'm shallow as hell...

Obama should win 'cause Keyes is fugly.

Yeah the first enforcement of affirmative action by Nixon and a diverse set of prominent cabinet members pale in comparison to the accomplishments of Republicans against slavery.

-Rudey

However it also the Republican party that is one of the biggest opponents of AA ( the White House sent an opinion to the Supreme Court during the Michigan Case) Also, people of color in his cabinet doesn't make the party more appealing, if the platform remains the same (Something that many people refuse to believe, we don't vote purely because we see people who look like us, otherwise I think we would have more women politicians) and hence why even with the addition of Powell and Rice in the cabinet, Bush is not expected to pull more than 10% of the Black vote. But, I think instead of changing the platform to attract more voters ( I am not saying they should, but they would have to for ME to switch parties), They are doing something alot easier and won't cost them their base, showing "hey we got minorities too" ex 2000 convention. The reason I said the lincoln comment I belong to a couple of organizations where many republicans have hit during the campagn trail, and every one mentioned the Party of Lincoln thing several times, on one candidates speech I lost count, so Rudey you need to tell them to update their accomplishments.

I wouldn't say that the Iliini Republicans just picked out a "token black guy;" Keyes has run for office before and is a reasonable choice for the ticket.

He has run but has he ever won anything...

True...but I think like Rudey said it's a matter of getting his views out there (such as a Kucinich, Sharpton, etc.).

Most of us New Yorkers voted for Hilary.

And a lot of us didn't.

-Rudey

I guess nobody can enter into politics anymore at this point. Only the people that have been in it before can. And Keyes has served the public before while working in the State department.

By the way I'm still waiting to hear about any legislation that Edwards has worked on that's passed and to what extent his involvement was.

-Rudey

You know you ain't right for that... ;)

'Cuz I think Keyes Fuggin Mugly too... :rolleyes:

Obama is MUCH sexier underneath... :D

Obama's Appeal?
 

Would anyone like to say what seperates Obama for the typical Democratic candidate? He just seems typical to me and I don't get all the hoopla over him.. Oh well..guess I need to dig a little deeper in his policies :o

Re: Obama's Appeal?
 

I think a big part of it is that he's young and rising fast. A Senate seat at his age is a good step to higher office (such as being Governor at a young age).

People also seem to like his style of public speaking.

And we have the worst state legislature in the nation. Are you trying to prove that the New York State electorate has bad judgement?

Or are you simply neglecting to mention that if Giuliani had stayed in the race, he would have routed her, but becuase he withdrew, a no-name lost to her?

I finally made myself read Obama's speech and where he "stands" on the issues. I can see that folks are "moved" by the way he talks...but being "moved" by the way a politician talks is pretty meaningless to me. The proof is in the pudding..so we'll see what happens when he wins. I didn't see on his website where he stood on abortion or gay marriage though..

Hypocripsy is a Republican mandate.:rolleyes:

sweetie, you must be new to the political scene. hypocrisy is not limited to either side of the aisle.

Actually it works on both sides, but nice try.

More so recently for conservatives then it is for liberals. Especially since one side "mandate" is based on "MORALS" as the republican party prides itself on. Heck, hypocrisy should be expected from those "evil" democrats shouldn't it?:rolleyes: Why is the Rep. party stooping to that level?

Hypocrisy
 

But please we can start a new thread and go tit for tat over the past 4 years if you like.

If the Democratic agenda is not based on morals, what is it based on?

Good question, one which I'm not sure the Dems. know. But, I can't think of one time, where teh Dem Party have bashed others for "lack of morals" and stated that they're here to bring "AMERICAN MORALS" back to the white house or to government.

Indeed it does.

In this case the term "Carpetbagger" comes to mind -- but not attached to Keyes himself. As I understand it, the Republican Party basically recruited him and strongly urged him to run, even after he had made speechs against it pretaining to other races (meaning election contests).

Clearly, the GOP had to come up with a "name."

In a way, it appears they're making him a sacraficial lamb. If he loses by huge margins, it certainly won't help his future political ambitions.

Re: Obama's Appeal?
 

I will tell you the truth, gwirl...

'Cuz a lotta sistahs thought he was extremely cute and yuuuunnnnng to be running for senator...

And he seemed HAPPILY MARRIED WITH CHILDREN to a full on sistah... She look like she gets a Fabulaxer and her little gold blonded streaks were nice... Don't ask me why us black folks think like that and liked dat stuh 'bout dat boy, but that was one reason why we did...:rolleyes: ;) :p

Ain't got nuthin' to do with his politics... Or his being a standard democrat... He just "fit" the part... Funny, huh???:rolleyes:

My question is, when will the smear campaign begin? Will "they" attack Obama on his "persona" or on his "policies"... Watch out for the first commercial... When it comes out, see if it is truly about his policies or just the way he is as a person--if it has nothing about how he could not do the job, then...

I don't really see the point. Obama had Illinois from the beginning and at this point, I don't think any amount of smear commercials or campaigning will change anything. He is just sitting back chillin right now.

His wife does look a little whooped, though, I must say. I actually know her...she works at the U of C somtimes and she always looks like that. I guess those little kids are taking her for quite a ride. *shrugged shoulders*

Who is his wife and where does she work?

-Rudey
--Let me see a picture so I can see if I'd hit it or not

Rudey,
GC would be sooo boring without your posts ;)
Gotta love it! :p

Keyes doesn't have a prayer of winning. Obama has tons more money and the Republicans have basically written it off. They should focus their efforts on seats they can actually win instead of wasting their time on Illinois when Obama has it locked up.

She usually does things with Pam Bozeman in the community service center. If I find a pic, I'll post it. Knowing you, you'd hit regardless of what she looks like :rolleyes: j/k.

Keyes views on abortion

He's not getting my vote.

The Obama Family
 

While I think Keyes went too far in his statement, I thought this contradictory statement was equally troubling by Obama:

"I think it's a deeply troubling statement," Obama said. "To suggest that somehow the slaughter of innocent people in New York and in Washington was somehow brought about as a consequence of women exercising their reproductive freedom is not the way most people here in Illinois think."

I think its interesting that he doesn't see abortion as killing an innocent life LOL..but to NOT turn this into a thread about abortion, I'll end it here. ;)

Again..its not about Keyes winning..its about getting the other side's agenda out there i.e. Al Sharpton running for President.

Tonight on the local news it was announced that Keyes has lost the respect of the Republican party because of remarks he made in a radio interview regarding Dick Cheney gay daughter. He called her "a selfish hedonist" and said if he had a daughter who was gay he'd still love but would still her what's she's doing is a sin.(the interview was aired and you heard him loud and clear)

Judy Baar Topinka, head of IL Republican party, said it was wrong of Keyes to speak out against the child of Dick Cheney. She said he does not reflect the views of the party. Former IL governor Jim Thompson was also interviewed and agreed Keyes was wrong.

I think the only vote Keyes may get is his own.