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honeychile 07-18-2004 07:05 PM

Kerry supporters
 
Kerry and the Democratic party have received the support of an unlikely source: the Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA). This is from the cover of the St. Augustine Record, and you can read the full article here.

The author, after hearing about this, wrote to the CPUSA, and includes further information, such as where Kerry got his "Let America be America Again":

"Next, I discovered that one of Kerry's campaign themes is " Let America be America Again." This slogan was borrowed from a Communist poet, Langston Hughes. This is not common knowledge to the average American."

The1calledTKE 07-18-2004 07:59 PM

So what? We shouldn't vote for Kerry now even though he is not communist and doesn't believe in the communist ideals?

So if the Fascist support Bush we should think different of him?

Munchkin03 07-18-2004 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
So if the Fascist support Bush we should think different of him?
Or, more likely, the Council of Conservative Citizens or the Ku Klux Klan.

Of the three biographies I have of Langston Hughes---one quite critical--not one has said that he was a Communist; in fact, he refused membership and didn't even consider himself a sympathizer. He testified to HUAC in order to avoid being blacklisted. One also has to remember, during Hughes's time, the Communist party was the only major political group pressing for equal treatment of African-Americans. So, the right wing's alignment of him with Communism--then and now--isn't that surprising.

honeychile 07-18-2004 08:09 PM

Don't shoot the messenger when you don't like the news!

IowaStatePhiPsi 07-18-2004 08:09 PM

Nice to see the political right is trying to bring back the work of McCarthy. :rolleyes:

Now, if you look at the time period in which Communism appeared pleasing to Hughes, you'd note it was a time of severe racial inequality in the United States.

http://www.galegroup.com/free_resour...o/hughes_l.htm
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In 1932, Hughes went to Russia with a group of African Americans to assist with a film project that never bore fruit. When the project dissolved, most of the participants returned to the United States, but Hughes set off to explore the Soviet Union. In his own observations of the Soviet Union, Hughes saw many reasons to appreciate communism. Thus, while many other American writers were attracted to socialistic perspectives during the depression years, Hughes openly praised practices he had observed in the Soviet Union: no "Jim Crow," no anti-semitism, and education and medical care for everyone. He wrote numerous poems to capture those travels, and later, in both his Chicago Defender column and in his second autobiography, I Wonder As I Wander (1956), he recorded impressions of his travels. Following the journey to the Soviet Union, Hughes completed work on his first volume of short stories, The Ways of White Folks (1934).

Peaches-n-Cream 07-18-2004 08:18 PM

I didn't think that Langston Hughes was a communist or a sympathizer.

How credible a source is the St. Augustine Record? I have never heard of it, but how is it regarded in Florida? This article clearly has an agenda. It just doesn't pass the sniff test for me.

Peaches-n-Cream 07-18-2004 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by honeychile
Don't shoot the messenger when you don't like the news!
I'm not shooting. This article doesn't read like news. It's full of propaganda. As I posted earlier, there is clearly an agenda here.

honeychile 07-18-2004 08:23 PM

I am willing to delete the thread, if it is simply propaganda.

The1calledTKE 07-18-2004 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by honeychile
Don't shoot the messenger when you don't like the news!
I am just trying to determine if you think this is a reason not to vote for Kerry even though he is not communist. Or just posting a random fact that the communist party of America support Kerry over Bush.

honeychile 07-18-2004 08:27 PM

One of my favorite movies is "Reds".

I was posting it for the informational value, just as I would want to know if the John Birch Society or the KKK endorsed a candidate.

Munchkin03 07-18-2004 08:33 PM

It was in the Opinions section a few days ago. I like hearing various opinions on current events, but not under the guise of "news."

I knew to take it with a grain of salt when I realized it was Op-Ed.

KSigkid 07-18-2004 09:15 PM

I wouldn't say that these people represent the political right - that's a rather large generalization to make, in my opinion.

Eh, the source is questionable, but hell there's been enough questionable sources on both sides in this forum regarding the presidential race.

cuaphi 07-18-2004 09:30 PM

Uh oh! My school has a fountain named after Dalton Trumbo (he was blacklisted during the McCarthy era.) My whole school must be over run by communists. Wait, maybe I'm a communist. AAAAA!

Seriously though, I'm sure there are some questionable organizations that endorse both candidates. That doesn't mean that either of those candidates appreciate or reciprocate the endorsement.

IowaStatePhiPsi 07-18-2004 09:34 PM

also you gotta question the political right on this one:

"John Kerry is RICH!"

"John Kerry is tied to COMMUNISM!"

Wouldnt the ideologies of Communism and Marxism regarding equality and redistribution of wealth take away his money? hmmm.... one must be a lie. And the other? A hypocratic comment.

Side note: Nixon used whisper campaigns in his Congressional races... ("psst...did you know that Jerry Voorhis is a Communist?" "psst...did you know that Helen Douglas is Jewish?")

moe.ron 07-19-2004 05:09 AM

Hey, the association of strip teasers owners support Kerry. That is ok in my book.

KSigkid 07-19-2004 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
also you gotta question the political right on this one:

"John Kerry is RICH!"

"John Kerry is tied to COMMUNISM!"

Wouldnt the ideologies of Communism and Marxism regarding equality and redistribution of wealth take away his money? hmmm.... one must be a lie. And the other? A hypocratic comment.

Side note: Nixon used whisper campaigns in his Congressional races... ("psst...did you know that Jerry Voorhis is a Communist?" "psst...did you know that Helen Douglas is Jewish?")

Once again this is not the whole political right saying this - this is one writer in one questionable publication writing it as an opinion piece.

Kevin 07-19-2004 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
also you gotta question the political right on this one:

"John Kerry is RICH!"

"John Kerry is tied to COMMUNISM!"

Wouldnt the ideologies of Communism and Marxism regarding equality and redistribution of wealth take away his money? hmmm.... one must be a lie. And the other? A hypocratic comment.

Side note: Nixon used whisper campaigns in his Congressional races... ("psst...did you know that Jerry Voorhis is a Communist?" "psst...did you know that Helen Douglas is Jewish?")

The nice thing about being incredibly wealthy in America is that you CAN have it both ways. These folks pay very little income tax if any (receive and store their funds off-shore). The folks that are really hurt by our current redistribution of the wealth are the upper middle class.

I'll bet my parents paid more in income tax than Bill Gates did last year.

Peaches-n-Cream 07-19-2004 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
The nice thing about being incredibly wealthy in America is that you CAN have it both ways. These folks pay very little income tax if any (receive and store their funds off-shore). The folks that are really hurt by our current redistribution of the wealth are the upper middle class.

I'll bet my parents paid more in income tax than Bill Gates did last year.

I bet Bill Gates donated more money last year than most Americans combined. He plans to donate 90% or 95% of his net worth within his lifetime. So far his foundation is worth 24 billion dollars. That could increase to over 50 billion dollars over the course of his lifetime which would make him one of the biggest philanthropists in the US ever.

I mention this since charitable donations is another way to redistribute wealth.

NickLc24 07-21-2004 01:26 PM

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryv.htm

Quote:

Kerry has missed more than 80% of Senate votes this year, the AP reports.
That's the guy I want running my nation! [/sarcasm]

DeltAlum 07-21-2004 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NickLc24
http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryv.htm



That's the guy I want running my nation! [/sarcasm]

Great. Another piece of stellar journalism from Matt Drudge.

Let's be fair.

Of course he's been on the road campaigning. So has the President. So, who is running the nation? And who is casting the important votes?

This street runs both ways.

That's one of the big problems I see in our campaign system. It takes our public officials out of their offices during sometimes critical times.

Rudey 07-21-2004 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Great. Another piece of stellar journalism from Matt Drudge.

Let's be fair.

Of course he's been on the road campaigning. So has the President. So, who is running the nation? And who is casting the important votes?

This street runs both ways.

That's one of the big problems I see in our campaign system. It takes out public officials out of their offices during sometimes critical times.

He quotes AP. It's not Drudge.

-Rudey
--Places in the conch republic are pretty expensive.

honeychile 07-21-2004 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Great. Another piece of stellar journalism from Matt Drudge.

Let's be fair.

Of course he's been on the road campaigning. So has the President. So, who is running the nation? And who is casting the important votes?

This street runs both ways.

That's one of the big problems I see in our campaign system. It takes out public officials out of their offices during sometimes critical times.

I agree with you, DeltAlum. I've often said that I believe in the six-years, no reelection system.

And now I'll sit back and wait for someone to tell me that it's against the Constitution (not that anything from the Constitution has ever been amended!)...

IowaStatePhiPsi 07-21-2004 01:57 PM

Missed Senate votes one of the complaints against Kennedy when he ran for President in 1960.. nice to see a recycled argument.

DeltAlum 07-21-2004 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
He quotes AP. It's not Drudge.
Could be that it started out as AP, but the link looks to be to Drudge.

ETA that following the link finds a lot of pics of Kerry vacationing -- not campaigning.

Would it be too obvious to point out that the President took 30 days or so of vacation at the Texas ranch starting within a month of taking office? Remember the pics of him out golfing, etc.?

I simply want to see fair campaigning from both sides -- "their" media included.

Rudey 07-21-2004 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Could be that it started out as AP, but the link looks to be to Drudge.

ETA that following the link finds a lot of pics of Kerry vacationing -- not campaigning.

Would it be too obvious to point out that the President took 30 days or so of vacation at the Texas ranch starting within a month of taking office? Remember the pics of him out golfing, etc.?

I simply want to see fair campaigning from both sides -- "their" media included.

Oh yeah but if anything, I would say that this is just as much fair play because I saw more than enough images of Bush on vacation, etc.

Also, can someone tell me what piece of legislation was passed that Edwards worked on?

-Rudey
--Also, if nothing else Drudge isn't just some right wing media

KSigkid 07-21-2004 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Missed Senate votes one of the complaints against Kennedy when he ran for President in 1960.. nice to see a recycled argument.
And it will continue to be an argument whenever ANY Congressman runs for office. They said it about Dole (which was a driving factor in him resiging his post), they said it about Kennedy, they'll say it about Kerry.

That's just the way it goes.

DeltAlum 07-21-2004 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
And it will continue to be an argument whenever ANY Congressman runs for office. They said it about Dole (which was a driving factor in him resiging his post), they said it about Kennedy, they'll say it about Kerry.

That's just the way it goes.

Exactly my point, and it includes Presidents and Vice Presidents as well.

NickLc24 07-21-2004 05:48 PM

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Posted by Hal Cranmer - February 7, 2004 11:50 AM (cranmerhal@hotmail.com)

I would like to add my two cents about my John Kerry experience. During my career as an Air Force pilot, I spent two years flying a small twin-engine prop plane around the Pacific from my base in Okinawa, Japan. On one trip we had to fly Senator Kerry, his congressional aide, and a Navy Captain (Vietnam, A-4 fighter pilot) who was also in Kerry's party to various locations in Vietnam and Cambodia as part of the MIA/POW talks.

When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his sailboat on it. I told him I had a small 27 sailboat in Okinawa, he remarked "Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet." When we first flew him into Phnom Penh, he went to the back of the airplane and grabbed the pizza that was put aside for the crew and passed it around to his staff. He was never offered any pizza because they were supposed to have lunch with the Cambodian government once we landed. The pizza would have been our only meal that day.

Then when we picked him up in Cambodia, he was an hour late getting to the airport. We could not start the engines and therefore the air conditioning until he arrived. Phnom Penh at that time was over 100 degrees with 95% humidity and we were basically sitting in a greenhouse behind the cockpit windows. When he finally did arrive, we were wringing out our clothes from the perspiration. He walks out of the air-conditioned car, into the airplane and asks us "Could you guys get the air conditioning running, I'm a little warm?" The other pilot had to physically restrain me from going back there and picking a fight.

Then we took him into Noi Bai airfield in Hanoi. After we picked him up the next day (he stayed the night in Vietnam, we stayed in Bangkok) we taxied out, ran up the engines for takeoff, and noticed that our prop rpm was vibrating all over the place. We taxied off to the side to look at it, but there was a good possibility that there was an engine malfunction and the engine may fail if we took off with it. Well, Mr. Senator sticks his head up in the cockpit and says "This plane WILL take off, I have a press conference in Bangkok in three hours!" (Maybe this is an indication of how he will run the FAA). We ran the engines again, and did not have the problem, so we took off and made it back.

During the flight, he told everyone how he had taken a Cessna (a small General aviation plane) up with a fighter pilot, and the fighter pilot remarked that Kerry was one of the best pilots he had ever seen. I don't know about other pilots out there, but it's hard to imagine a little, single-engine prop plane pilot being able to show the "right stuff." After Kerry left the plane, the Navy Captain came up to us, apologized and said basically that "he knows Kerry is a jerk" and that we should be glad we don't have to deal with him every day.
Ouch

imsohappythatiama 07-21-2004 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Missed Senate votes one of the complaints against Kennedy when he ran for President in 1960.. nice to see a recycled argument.
Good Lord, the DNC will take any opportunity it can to draw parallels between JFK and John F. Kerry.

Propaganda, much?

IowaStatePhiPsi 07-21-2004 07:49 PM

wow- I didnt know I was part of the DNC- thanx!
All I did was say this argument had been used before, but thanks for making assumptions.

Peaches-n-Cream 07-21-2004 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by imsohappythatiama
Good Lord, the DNC will take any opportunity it can to draw parallels between JFK and John F. Kerry.

Propaganda, much?

What does the DNC have to do with that statement?

Munchkin03 07-21-2004 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
wow- I didnt know I was part of the DNC- thanx!
All I did was say this argument had been used before, but thanks for making assumptions.

Don't you know? Not Republican=Democrat. No room for independent thinkers here on GC! :p

IowaStatePhiPsi 07-21-2004 07:58 PM

I label myself as liberal and most of the candidates I have worked for have been Democrats, but I refuse to stick myself in a party.


Getting the thread back on track:

One of my friends on Gov. Vilsack's staff has been calling me lately to try and get me to work on the Kerry-Edwards campaign.

imsohappythatiama 07-22-2004 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Don't you know? Not Republican=Democrat. No room for independent thinkers here on GC! :p
Don't forget that "Not Democrat" doesn't equal "Republican," either.

And anyone who has been keeping pace with this Presidential Election can see that the DNC and Kerry himself are drawing copious parallels between JFK and Kerry.

Perhaps IowaStatePhiPsi isn't a member of the DNC (I did not mean to insinuate that he is), but that message has surely rubbed off on him, even if subtlely.

Peaches-n-Cream 07-22-2004 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by imsohappythatiama
Don't forget that "Not Democrat" doesn't equal "Republican," either.

And anyone who has been keeping pace with this Presidential Election can see that the DNC and Kerry himself are drawing copious parallels between JFK and Kerry.

Perhaps IowaStatePhiPsi isn't a member of the DNC (I did not mean to insinuate that he is), but that message has surely rubbed off on him, even if subtlely.

Here are the parallels. They have the same initials, the same job, the same heritage and background, are in the same party, and are from the same state. He is also seeing the Presidency. Is there something wrong with that? I guess I am missing your point.

Rudey 07-22-2004 05:31 PM

Yeah and Clinton is only volunteering for the Democratic Party but isn't a Democrat.

-Rudey

NickLc24 07-29-2004 09:33 AM

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...ps_serious.jpg

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...7positions.jpg

:)

DeltAlum 07-29-2004 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by imsohappythatiama
Good Lord, the DNC will take any opportunity it can to draw parallels between JFK and John F. Kerry.

Propaganda, much?

Of course it is. Just like the RNC and Reagan.


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