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AXEAM 07-13-2004 11:33 AM

Bush's snub of the NAACP proves just how petty he really is.
 
It seems Bush didn't want to speak @ the NAACP's convention b/c in his words things they said about him. If I'm not mistaking any criticism that the NAACP had of Bush was about policy and not personal, I believe his decision to skip the covention further illustrates how petty and mean spirtied he can be. I quess Bush's inability to accept citicism is why he refuses to attend any of the funerals of fallen U.S troops who died in a war that is a result of his over blown ego.

Love_Spell_6 07-13-2004 12:01 PM

NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists
 
I posted this in the News and Politics Forum..but for the sake of discussion..I'm posting here too.

Now with an organization espousing such nonsense..why would GWB give them the time of day??? In one vein I think Bush could have sent a video, taped statement or something LOL..but I really wouldn't want to walk into a meeting with people that clearly don't want to really "hear" what I had to say.

http://www.cnsnews.com/Politics/Arc...L20040603a.html

Washington (CNSNews.com) - In remarks to hundreds of cheering liberal activists Wednesday, NAACP Chairman Julian Bond singled out Republicans as enemies of black Americans and compared conservatives to the terrorist Taliban who once ruled Afghanistan.

"Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and the Confederate swastika flying side by side," Bond told a cheering audience. "They've written a new constitution for Iraq and ignore the Constitution here at home. They draw their most rabid supporters from the Taliban wing of American politics. Now they want to write bigotry back into the Constitution."

ladygreek 07-14-2004 01:21 AM

Re: NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
In one vein I think Bush could have sent a video, taped statement or something LOL..
Bingo. But if the president of the US is afraid to face a hostile crowd in an election year, what would he do if faced with real danger? He didn't have problems facing the NAACP when he was running for election, although they didn't like him then either.

But yes, he could have stuck to the scheduling conflict story and sent a video. Then the onus would have been on the NAACP to show it, not on Bush because he could have claimed that he tried to accomodate them. He needs to fire his campaign advisors, because this could be the straw to cause him to lose the election.

Love_Spell_6 07-14-2004 08:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ladygreek
Bingo. But if the president of the US is afraid to face a hostile crowd in an election year, what would he do if faced with real danger? He didn't have problems facing the NAACP when he was running for election, although they didn't like him then either.

But yes, he could have stuck to the scheduling conflict story and sent a video. Then the onus would have been on the NAACP to show it, not on Bush because he could have claimed that he tried to accomodate them. He needs to fire his campaign advisors, because this could be the straw to cause him to lose the election.

Puuhhhleease!! Bush isn't going to win or lose the election based on him not going. Its not about facing a hostile crowd...its about facing a closed minded crowd that will only use this as an opportunity to vent their frustrations to the President. I don't take the NAACP seriously anymore...and its obvious that many Americans don't.

TonyB06 07-14-2004 09:06 AM

I heard Mr. Bush is planning to speak before the Urban League's annual convention (August/Detroit?). Pragmatically, he probably can only hope to increase on the 8 percent AfAm vote he got in 2K, by a few percentage points. The NAACP situation was handled badly for a candidate, let alone the sitting president. I think Bush's strategy for AfAm voting interests involves playing to issues some polls say have resonance within our community, i.e., the ban on gay marriage, school vouchers, etc...

If memory serves, the elder Bush (41) got about 10-11 percent of the AfAm vote.

...are you registered? are your family, friends?

AXEAM 07-14-2004 10:56 AM

I think Bush treated the NAACP just like he treats all black people which is to avoid them and their concerns. Since he stole the election in 2000 I don't think he has ever (since being President)attended an NAACP convention.

Love_Spell_6 07-14-2004 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
I think Bush treated the NAACP just like he treats all black people which is to avoid them and their concerns. Since he stole the election in 2000 I don't think he has ever (since being President)attended an NAACP convention.
I love reading your posts! You make me laugh bruh LOL! In your opinion..what exactly should President Bush do to address the concerns of black folk.. and are you aware that the President won every single re-recount done? ... even by those that dont like him? Enough of the Selected vs Elected stuff...its old...folks need to moveon.org LOL

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/flo...ries/main.html

AXEAM 07-14-2004 11:13 AM

Remember Sis the supreme court stop the re-count in Florida. ;)

Love_Spell_6 07-14-2004 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
Remember Sis the supreme court stop the re-count in Florida. ;)
Yep I remember..but this article addressed what would have happened had the recount been allowed...Gore would have still lost. :)

AXEAM 07-14-2004 11:20 AM

Too bad the GOP was too scared to let the recount go on, then we would have this issue settled.;)

Jill1228 07-14-2004 11:34 AM

He didn't steal the election! His brother bought the state of Florida for him! :p

Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
I think Bush treated the NAACP just like he treats all black people which is to avoid them and their concerns. Since he stole the election in 2000 I don't think he has ever (since being President)attended an NAACP convention.

ladygreek 07-14-2004 11:55 AM

Re: Re: Re: NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Puuhhhleease!! Bush isn't going to win or lose the election based on him not going. Its not about facing a hostile crowd...its about facing a closed minded crowd that will only use this as an opportunity to vent their frustrations to the President. I don't take the NAACP seriously anymore...and its obvious that many Americans don't.
Uh, this has caused a lot of backlash and the media and Dems are jumping on it. And you'd better believe it will be a topic of discussion in Vegas at our Social Action activites. So I beg to differ but this is bigger than maybe you realize.

The president of the US should be able to face ANY kind of crowd. Hell, he speaks to white close-minded people all the time. They're called Bush supporters.

mccoyred 07-14-2004 12:03 PM

Re: NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists
 
Soror, weren't there allegations that dead people were voting and that live people who were eligible were told they were not? This article addresses only the recount and the hanging chads; there were other irregularities in the Florida election that I haven't seen any resolution for. If you have anything that addresses those, please post!


Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
I posted this in the News and Politics Forum..but for the sake of discussion..I'm posting here too.

Now with an organization espousing such nonsense..why would GWB give them the time of day??? In one vein I think Bush could have sent a video, taped statement or something LOL..but I really wouldn't want to walk into a meeting with people that clearly don't want to really "hear" what I had to say.

http://www.cnsnews.com/Politics/Arc...L20040603a.html

Washington (CNSNews.com) - In remarks to hundreds of cheering liberal activists Wednesday, NAACP Chairman Julian Bond singled out Republicans as enemies of black Americans and compared conservatives to the terrorist Taliban who once ruled Afghanistan.

"Their idea of equal rights is the American flag and the Confederate swastika flying side by side," Bond told a cheering audience. "They've written a new constitution for Iraq and ignore the Constitution here at home. They draw their most rabid supporters from the Taliban wing of American politics. Now they want to write bigotry back into the Constitution."


reddawn18 07-14-2004 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXEAM
I think Bush treated the NAACP just like he treats all black people which is to avoid them and their concerns. Since he stole the election in 2000 I don't think he has ever (since being President)attended an NAACP convention.
I don't think he attended while he was governor.

If I was GWB to prove the naysayers wrong, I would have made an appearance. If the NAACP compares him to a terrorist then he needs to step up to the plate and prove them wrong. Prove the AfAm community wrong with actions and policies that could work in both of our favors.

reddawn18 07-14-2004 12:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ladygreek
Uh, this has caused a lot of backlash and the media and Dems are jumping on it. And you'd better believe it will be a topic of discussion in Vegas at our Social Action activites. So I beg to differ but this is bigger than maybe you realize.

The president of the US should be able to face ANY kind of crowd. Hell, he speaks to white close-minded people all the time. They're called Bush supporters.

Thank you Lady Greek. He should have at least sent a statement.

TonyB06 07-14-2004 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reddawn18
I don't think he attended while he was governor.

If I was GWB to prove the naysayers wrong, I would have made an appearance. If the NAACP compares him to a terrorist then he needs to step up to the plate and prove them wrong. Prove the AfAm community wrong with actions and policies that could work in both of our favors.

For the record, Bush last attended the NAACP annual convention during the summer of 2000 while he was the Republican presidential candidate. He was then still governor of Texas.

reddawn18 07-14-2004 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TonyB06
For the record, Bush last attended the NAACP annual convention during the summer of 2000 while he was the Republican presidential candidate. He was then still governor of Texas.
I stand corrected.

ladygreek 07-14-2004 12:58 PM

W is the first sitting president to not attend a NAACP convention since Hoover.

Headline I saw that would make a great bumper sticker:

Re-defeat Bush!

Love_Spell_6 07-14-2004 02:06 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ladygreek
Uh, this has caused a lot of backlash and the media and Dems are jumping on it. And you'd better believe it will be a topic of discussion in Vegas at our Social Action activites. So I beg to differ but this is bigger than maybe you realize.

The president of the US should be able to face ANY kind of crowd. Hell, he speaks to white close-minded people all the time. They're called Bush supporters.

THe issue is relative..its big to some and small to others..and I just don't see the NAACP today as relevant..I wouldn't stand behind any org. that allows Julian Bond the spew the kind of rhetoric he does...and your comment about white close-minded people being Bush supporters is funny LOL... I suppose one has to be closed minded to be a Bush supporter...

Whew...gotta love GC LOL..yall make me really laugh out loud. :D

AXEAM 07-14-2004 04:14 PM

It's clear to me that if Bush is this petty over criticism over his failed policies imagine how he felt when Saddam continued to speak badly of him and his daddy. I suspect it made him mad enough to lie to the American people and attack Saddam....:rolleyes:

Kimmie1913 07-14-2004 05:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ladygreek
Hell, he speaks to white close-minded people all the time. They're called Bush supporters.
^5, soror!

ladygreek 07-14-2004 05:10 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
THe issue is relative..its big to some and small to others..and I just don't see the NAACP today as relevant..I wouldn't stand behind any org. that allows Julian Bond the spew the kind of rhetoric he does...and your comment about white close-minded people being Bush supporters is funny LOL... I suppose one has to be closed minded to be a Bush supporter...

Whew...gotta love GC LOL..yall make me really laugh out loud. :D

No different then you calling the NAACP close-minded. Sorta like the pot...

But I gotta ask, are you really serious about all the things you say on this board or are you just trying to spur discussion? Is Clarence Thomas a role model of yours? Just trying to get a better feel for what I am dealing with here.

Kimmie1913 07-14-2004 05:15 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NAACP Chairman Compares Republicans to Terrorists
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
THe issue is relative..its big to some and small to others..and I just don't see the NAACP today as relevant..I wouldn't stand behind any org. that allows Julian Bond the spew the kind of rhetoric he does...and your comment about white close-minded people being Bush supporters is funny LOL... I suppose one has to be closed minded to be a Bush supporter...

Whew...gotta love GC LOL..yall make me really laugh out loud. :D

I think what should have mattered to the Bush campaign was would it matter to that percentage of Black folks who vote. The politically astute thing would have been to send at least a statement thereby diminishing what could have even been a criticism.

And of course, I know you realize Ladygreek's post was far from saying all Bush supporters were closed minded.

Phasad1913 07-14-2004 05:47 PM

Quote:

and I just don't see the NAACP today as relevant
Wow. With all that is going on in the black community right now I would say the NAACP is DEFINITELY relevent. Regardless of who the leadership is and what Julian Bond said, this organization has a lot to do and is needed. I think if you or anyone else has a problem or is dissatisfied with what the NAACP is following in terms of their priorities, then perhaps you and others should do something to make sure it uses it's power and influence to address issues that you feel the organization is most needed.

Its like my homeowner's association. If I am dissatisfied with what is going on in my complex, I can't say anything unless I am willing to do my part. I have to pay my dues, go to the meetings and make my voice heard, legitimately. I can't just sit around and complain. If you are not happy with the NAACP, then that is what you have to do because whatever progress this organization has made in the past, which has made most of the opportunities afforded to you and me possible today, and whatever progress it will make, you have and will benefit from as a black american woman.

Honeykiss1974 07-14-2004 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Wow. With all that is going on in the black community right now I would say the NAACP is DEFINITELY relevent. Regardless of who the leadership is and what Julian Bond said, this organization has a lot to do and is needed. I think if you or anyone else has a problem or is dissatisfied with what the NAACP is following in terms of their priorities, then perhaps you and others should do something to make sure it uses it's power and influence to address issues that you feel the organization is most needed.

Its like my homeowner's association. If I am dissatisfied with what is going on in my complex, I can't say anything unless I am willing to do my part. I have to pay my dues, go to the meetings and make my voice heard, legitimately. I can't just sit around and complain. If you are not happy with the NAACP, then that is what you have to do because whatever progress this organization has made in the past, which has made most of the opportunities afforded to you and me possible today, and whatever progress it will make, you have and will benefit from as a black american woman.

That all depends on your priorities though. For example, if you consider yourself a black woman before ANYTHING else, then yes, you may be able to ignore any and other less than desireable rhetoric that the NAACP may say or be involved in.

But there are MANY Af Am. that do not feel that have that same list of priorities, yours truly included. I use to be a member of the NAACP until recently. They have become involved in issues that go against the core of who I am, not to mention I feel like they are taking up causes that in the grand scheme of things are not important to the Af. Am in general.

Yes, they did a lot to give us the rights that we enjoy today, however that does not mean that I will just blindly follow you based on what you DID - and just completely ignore what you are doing today. Plus, the NAACP is not the ONLY organization that is working globably to help the Af Am community. There are plenty of other options available.

Phasad1913 07-14-2004 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
That all depends on your priorities though. For example, if you consider yourself a black woman before ANYTHING else, then yes, you may be able to ignore any and other less than desireable rhetoric that the NAACP may say or be involved in.

But there are MANY Af Am. that do not feel that have that same list of priorities, yours truly included. I use to be a member of the NAACP until recently. They have become involved in issues that go against the core of who I am, not to mention I feel like they are taking up causes that in the grand scheme of things are not important to the Af. Am in general.

Yes, they did a lot to give us the rights that we enjoy today, however that does not mean that I will just blindly follow you based on what you DID - and just completely ignore what you are doing today. Plus, the NAACP is not the ONLY organization that is working globably to help the Af Am community. There are plenty of other options available.

I agree with you. I feel, however, that the NAACP is one of the most significant organizations of our history and rather than just dismiss it because we don't agree with all of its positions, we should try to make sure it does what it is supposed to do in our communities, if possible. Believe me, I am the last person who would advocate blindly following any organization just because of it's name, but I would be one who would promote holding an organization such as this accountable for what its true function in our community is supposed to be for the sake of maintaining the integrity of it's history as well as ours.

Love_Spell_6 07-15-2004 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
That all depends on your priorities though. For example, if you consider yourself a black woman before ANYTHING else, then yes, you may be able to ignore any and other less than desireable rhetoric that the NAACP may say or be involved in.

But there are MANY Af Am. that do not feel that have that same list of priorities, yours truly included. I use to be a member of the NAACP until recently. They have become involved in issues that go against the core of who I am, not to mention I feel like they are taking up causes that in the grand scheme of things are not important to the Af. Am in general.

Yes, they did a lot to give us the rights that we enjoy today, however that does not mean that I will just blindly follow you based on what you DID - and just completely ignore what you are doing today. Plus, the NAACP is not the ONLY organization that is working globably to help the Af Am community. There are plenty of other options available.

^5 HK74 ;) I put my trust in the almighty...not in some organization...before I am a black woman..I am a Christian woman...

Love_Spell_6 07-15-2004 05:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ladygreek


But I gotta ask, are you really serious about all the things you say on this board or are you just trying to spur discussion? Is Clarence Thomas a role model of yours? Just trying to get a better feel for what I am dealing with here.

Sweetie..you really trying to see what makes the LoveSpell_6 tick aren't ya...this coupled with your GC location makes me wonder...you got a lot of time on your hands...or maybe you're trying to make me have a Howard Dean moment and make me go off on ya...aint gonna happen.. :D

Now unless this is the LoveSpell_6 thread...can we talk about the issue at hand?

ladygreek 07-15-2004 08:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Sweetie..you really trying to see what makes the LoveSpell_6 tick aren't ya...this coupled with your GC location makes me wonder...you got a lot of time on your hands...or maybe you're trying to make me have a Howard Dean moment and make me go off on ya...aint gonna happen.. :D

Now unless this is the LoveSpell_6 thread...can we talk about the issue at hand?

Youngun, get a grip. But yes I am trying to see what makes you tick because if you are the future of our community, that scares me. :eek:

TonyB06 07-16-2004 12:07 PM

I just heard a report that Bush may now not be speaking before the National Urban League next month in Detroit. First report was sketchy.

I'd think Bush would need to find/speak before whatever minority audience he feels comfortable with. This is starting to turn into a real political "black-eye." As close as this election is expected to be, both candidates will need every vote they can find.

ladygreek 07-17-2004 12:22 AM

If Bush doesn't live up to your expectations will you vote Green or Nader, or not at all? Just curious.

Love_Spell_6 07-17-2004 03:47 PM

Re: No I will write in someone
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
No! I vote based on a few factors. It depends on the person's voting record on moral issues. But with a man who openly professes Jesus as Lord, the ante goes up much higher. I believe a leader of great moral conviction should atleast be more vocal and as active as possible to bring law and order at home and abroad. Maybe Bush is waiting for the next four years to come out and crush the immorality of this country. Any man or woman who can support the killing of innocents is heartless, spineless, and brainwashed. Our people have been duped on a grand scale by Democrats much more than Republicans. If we, as a people, do not stop certain behaviors, we will be a non-productive and eventually extinct race. Blacks at this point will never see the year 2100.
YOU BETTA PREACH!!:D

AXEAM 07-17-2004 04:41 PM

Bush is as much a man of God as Charles Manson is!!
 
Bush a man of God please last time I checked lying is not an attribute of a man of God, Bush lied to the American people about the need for a war that was not needed. On top of that Bush has refused to attend the funerals of any of these fallen troops a man of God is suppose to be fearless not fearful avoiding criticism. He has some of you guys fooled by simply saying he is a God fearing man but you must remember that the true measure of a man of God is his deeds (actions) not his words. This administrations has done nothing to help the working class man/woman, yet has gone out of it's way to support big business. Jesus said that the poor has no friends and the Bush Administration has proven that just ask the millions of Americans facing foreclosure and bankruptcy. Come to think of it Bush is the kind of person that Jesus preached against.

Love_Spell_6 07-19-2004 09:31 AM

Re: Bush is as much a man of God as Charles Manson is!!
 
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Originally posted by AXEAM
Bush a man of God please last time I checked lying is not an attribute of a man of God, Bush lied to the American people about the need for a war that was not needed. On top of that Bush has refused to attend the funerals of any of these fallen troops a man of God is suppose to be fearless not fearful avoiding criticism. He has some of you guys fooled by simply saying he is a God fearing man but you must remember that the true measure of a man of God is his deeds (actions) not his words. This administrations has done nothing to help the working class man/woman, yet has gone out of it's way to support big business. Jesus said that the poor has no friends and the Bush Administration has proven that just ask the millions of Americans facing foreclosure and bankruptcy. Come to think of it Bush is the kind of person that Jesus preached against.
Hmm..have I ever said that Bush is a man of God? I believe I commended him for outwardly professing the true God Jesus Christ and agreed that this gives him an edge of any of his rivals. (Kerry is too busy trying to be everything to everybody) NOw does this mean that he is the perfect Christian or does everything I feel he should as a man of God..NO. As does no one..I'm sure not even yourself. Its about weighing the two candidates against each other. ANd against John Kerry...GWB just comes out ahead in my opinion. If I waited for a candidate who agreed with everything I stood for and was what I consider a man of God to be..I'd never exercise my right to vote.

AXEAM 07-19-2004 12:44 PM

Remember Jesus warned in the last days that this one and that one would go around professing the name God but believe them not. Bush has more in common w/ Satan then God ,Bush plays on the fears of people everytime you hear this guy the first thing out of his mouth are more scare tactics about 9/11. Talk about beating a dead horse into the ground all this clown did was make the world a more dangerous place. B/f 9/11 he called out the nations of Iraq,Iran and North Korea this in my opinion proves that he was looking for a fight to take the American people minds off of the piss poor job that he was doing as president.

Love_Spell_6 07-19-2004 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by AXEAM
Remember Jesus warned in the last days that this one and that one would go around professing the name God but believe them not. Bush has more in common w/ Satan then God ,Bush plays on the fears of people everytime you hear this guy the first thing out of his mouth are more scare tactics about 9/11. Talk about beating a dead horse into the ground all this clown did was make the world a more dangerous place. B/f 9/11 he called out the nations of Iraq,Iran and North Korea this in my opinion proves that he was looking for a fight to take the American people minds off of the piss poor job that he was doing as president.
What you must realize my brother is that this thing is so much bigger than you and I or our politics. The same tribes that were fighting in the Bible are fighting to this day. This is a holy war though folks don't want to admit it! ...and Bush and everyone else are just pawns. The Bible also says in Matthew 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. And also in Mark 13:7
When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. SO much frustration is aimed at Bush as if he is the Devil....and that is where so many people have been deceived. Your anger and frustration is aimed at a man in physical form when the weapons of our warfare are not carnal at all! If you think all or even some of your troubles will be over just because a Democrat is elected...you're terribly naive. I put no faith or confidence in any man...only the almighty.

Honeykiss1974 07-19-2004 02:43 PM

The convo is getting thick now. Do I need to start an End Times thread? ;)

Love_Spell_6 07-19-2004 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
The convo is getting thick now. Do I need to start an End Times thread? ;)
LOL! girl you just might have to do that!

AXEAM 07-19-2004 06:36 PM

Well he is equal opportunity when it comes to not showing up.
 
Well it seems that Bush does not only give less than a damn about Blacks but Latinos as well as he also snub the largest Latino organization's invitation to address the Latino community Go Bush.

Honeykiss1974 07-19-2004 06:54 PM

Re: Well he is equal opportunity when it comes to not showing up.
 
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Originally posted by AXEAM
Well it seems that Bush does not only give less than a damn about Blacks but Latinos as well as he also snub the largest Latino organization's invitation to address the Latino community Go Bush.
Are you listening to NPR too? :)

I just heard that this afternoon that he hasn't addressed the National Council of La Raza during any of his presidency either.


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