Non-Jewish Paris woman suffers anti-Semitic attack
 

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Six Arab youths attacked a 23-year old woman and her baby because they thought she was Jewish, Friday morning in a commuter train near Paris.

Some twenty people were seated in the double-decker carriage all the time the six were harassing the young mother. According to the police reports, no one tried to come to her help or even pulled the signal to warn a controller.

-Rudey
--"First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people"

I just read about it elsewhere - disgusting!

This is just awful. I heard about it on the news. What I don't understand is how no one would come to the aid of this woman and her baby. :confused:

The gospel today at Mass was about the Good Samaritan. These witnesses need to familiarize themselves with the story.



There is nothing wrong with working as a gardener. Good for you IowaStatePhiPsi. :)

I can understand being afraid to get involved. The apathy and lack of compassion is something I don't understand.

It's kind of parallel to how France acts in its international diplomacy, isn't it?

Anri-Semitism is France? That's a real shocker.

To be fair, the anti-semites were apparently arabs. The French just sat by and watched.

Kind of like WWII.

The French have a long history of anti-Semitism, and the French (like in WWII) are rather silent at the resurgence if anti-Semitism in France.

First they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemoller

Moral of story: if you're going to fabricate a story that you were attacked in a subway: make sure there are no surveillance cameras to show you lied.

What's your source for this story being fabricated?

Did you read the same story I did?

Let me ask you, when a women says she's been raped do you demand photographic evidence?

If she was raped and people watched and did nothing, do you think that they'd be quick to come forward and risk being called a conspirator?

Maybe she's lying. But the facts and evidence don't seem to point either way right now. Given that the people who just sat and watched were French, I think it's very possible.

Seeing as how in the last few years there have been several college girls that have faked being kidnapped and at Iowa State at least 2 girls that have given false reports of rape- sure.

That's not proof of fabrication. Also, there is no indication of whether the cameras may have been obstructed when trains were in the station.

Oh so because 2 college girls decided to pull a sophomoric prank, you think that the victims of rape should be further humiliated and degraded?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So because it is possible, it happened. That's one mighty leap of faith though.

Maybe Arab men are being discriminated against. Maybe this is like that case where the women drowned her children and claimed a black man did it? I just don't see how or why you can come to this conclusion.

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Mr. ISU may have been right.

Holy crap :D

It's confirmed. She lied.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...semitic_attack

BBC Reported yesterday that the young woman had made up the story. She may face charges.

Well here's the BBC link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3891609.stm

Good thing that no one here leaped to any conclusions and used it as an excuse to engage in any anti-French attacks :rolleyes:

Her story was so compelling because it was believable.

There goes this kid again. You don't know France. Your brother stayed there for a short amount of time. You are not French.

-Rudey
--The French have a strong history of anti-semitism says I, the guy that visits France and lived in France.

Huzah... I'm young again :rolleyes:

Yes France has a history of Anti-Semitism, but it also has a history of pretty much anything not French, and there was a strong anti-immigrant movement back in late 80's early 90's... when I was there in '91 there were news reports of Anti-Semitc vandalism as well as reports of Mosques suffering from arson attacks... however in each case the disgust registered by the society as a whole was pretty apparent (as it was this time), so blaming an entire country or society for the actions of a few is uncalled for... unless you want the same hasty remarks made about hate-related crimes commited in the US....

Have visited France but not lived there.

I thought they just didn't like anybody.

Actions of a few? Right so when the acts of racism and anti-semitism rise, it's only a few? When it's a sizable amount, it's only a few? When it's not just Arabs but a "white" population, it's only a few?

-Rudey
--When you were there in '91...little Mr. Canadian tourist...

I see so if it's not a "few" please correct me with some numbers not your prejudice...

I'd be interested to see a per-capita report of Anti-Semitic attacks in Europe and North America, as well as a per-captia report of hate-crimes to see if your assumptions are based in reality...

My prejudice? What an absolute moron you are.

America: 17% of Americans hold strong anti-semitic views.

ADL Survey 2002:
Percentage of those who believe Jews have too much power in the business world: Spain 63%, Belgium 44%, France 42%, Austria 40%, Switzerland 37%, Germany 32%, UK 21%, The Netherlands 20%, Denmark 13%

Percentage of those who believe Jews still talk too much about the Holocaust: Germany 58%, Spain 57%, Austria 56%, Switzerland 52%, France 46%, Italy 43%, Belgium 38%, The Netherlands 35%, Denmark 30%, UK 23%

21% of Europeans harbor strong anti-Semitic views. 34% in Spain, 23% in Italy, 22% in Switzerland, 19% in Austria, 7% in the Netherlands

30% harbor traditional anti-Semitic stereotypes.
45% believe Jews are more loyal to Israel than their own country.
30% believe that Jews have too much power in the business world.
19% say Jews don't care about anyone but their own kind.
16% say Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
39% of Europeans believe Jews still talk too much about the Holocaust.

Anti-Jewish violence in Europe:
34% of French respondents and 32% of Belgians said they were "unconcerned" or "fairly unconcerned."
In France, which had the most anti-Jewish violence of the countries polled, 33% said their government was not doing enough to protect its Jewish citizens.

"Speaking at a symposium on "Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism in Western Europe since 2000," Epstein said the current wave
of anti-Semitism in France is the fourth since 1945, and that each wave was of increasing intensity. The previous occurrences
were in 1959-1960, the late '70s to the early '80s, and the late '80s to the early '90s."

The OSCE Conference was in repsonse the Europe's final acknowledgement of the surge in antisemitism after 3 years of denial:
"French President Jacques Chirac, after more than two years of avoiding the issue, now recognizes that anti-Semitism in France is a problem. He has denounced it publicly as unacceptable. Following the publication of a European poll that found more Europeans seeing Israel as a threat to peace than any other country, Romano Prodi, the President of the European Commission, recognized the seriousness of this kind of thinking and organized a conference in Brussels in response. And the E.U. Monitoring group has conducted a full-blown report on anti-Semitism in Europe in response to the worsening situation. "
http://www.osce.org/events/conferenc...tism/index.php
Europe itself isn't even denying it anymore, but a moron named RACooper is on GC acting like he knows. Brilliant.

Europe just recently decided to keep records of anti-semitic and racism statistics. A count by an NGO places the number in France alone from 2000-mid 2003 at over 2100 incidents.

And France registered 67 attacks on Jews or their property and 160 threats against Jews in the first quarter of 2004 versus 42 attacks and 191 threats in the last three months of 2003.

-Rudey
--I love uneducated tourists

Sorry to hijack, but the original thread is over . . . look, dude, you're sorta making a comeback on the greekchat, so i'm giving you an opportunity to rethink this statement.

-"At least two girls" is a weak statement. How many years to get these two? How does this compare to the number of campus rapes in total? How many go unreported, is this significantly higher than those that are falsely reported?

-"several college girls faking kidnapping" - uh, truth, but several college girls is an immeasurably small portion of the overall number. It's anecdotal evidence, rather than a trend. It's also a severe strawman, almost like saying "several college-aged women have faked being sick to get out of work"

-you also mentioned something about it being analogous or somehow comparable to men's rights or reactions, in a post that was deleted - ok, but if you'll allow, tell me how many men have falsely reported rapes, and we'll see how analogous it is.

OK- some points of thought for you, I think you'll find most impressive the comparison between falsely reported rapes and unreported rapes in college women. If you'd like, I'll do a fair and balanced reporting of the numbers for ya, but it's an interested read, I highly recommend it.

-RC
--go hawks, but you're becoming better dude . . . help me help you

Uh, there are many cases when I think his posts are a little out there, but giving credit where it is due, he was correct this time.

Yeah, he got this one right.